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[noobcannon]

leonia42 wrote...

Just out of curiousity (and because I am still listening to the soundtrack over and over), can anyone recall when the track "Betrayal" plays in-game?

get out your tissues

Modifié par noobcannon, 12 mars 2012 - 09:05 .

[Tamuril24]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

ageofadrian wrote...

I have a feeling that If this is true, All three choices represent an amazingly different end game. I think you don't have to pick destroy the reapers. somehow all three choices would be represented, either by ending up back in the rubble or maybe being 'saved' by your crew if you chose the Synthesis.

By what is happening on twitter, Bioware really have something in waiting.

I need to ask then; who should I follow to keep up with this? I know Mike Gamble, but anyone else?

you could follow 
@macwalterslives 
@RetakeME3 
@BioEvilChris  to really keep up on it.

[Denethar]

@BioEvilChris During the final run, just before the end, are the two squadmates with you killed? I understand if you can't answer.
Chris Priestly Chris Priestly ‏ @BioEvilChris

@KenRaves I don't think we've revealed that yet. Sorry.

Considering we see those squadmates walk out of Normandy at times, do anyone find that suspicious?

[Laughing.Man.d8D]

If the ending is an indoctrination attempt, they did a poor way of resolving it. Having more than just Shepard breathing at the end to indicate the indoctrination attempt failed.

Honestly, my first thought after Harbinger's beam passed in front of Shepard was, "Is this a dream sequence?"

[Ziajin]

Tamuril24 wrote...

When I think about all this, people saying that bioware have something coming or they are trolling us, why would they be so unhappy on their twitters etc? Part of me things that this is how they wanted it all to go down and this was the end for them. I do feel incredibly sorry for them if this is the case, it must be a kick in the head to see your work torn apart. I just think I need to make it clear that I loved the actual game, it was amazing, its just the ending that has killed it for the majority and if you want to make this game legendary then you should change it or give us another option.

Agreed. It is sad to see them feeling well, sad. I also agree with the fact the actual game was -amazing- BUT... The ending? It was anti-climactic. I was... Pissed when I beat it. Plot holes and more questions to be answered.

That- is how all of this began. The ending. BioWare makes games with a plot, a story... Sadly, how this ended, was like no book, movie, show, or game w/ story that I have ever seen, read, or played. It's really, really, really disappointing. They're better than that, and they know it. That may be why they're seeming so sad. Perhaps they didn't notice it at first, but then they see the aggravated posts and threads like this, and they see it. I do hope to goodness they release a DLC with an excellent ending...

As I posted a few posts before, I want my happy ending with my femshep + Liara + little blue kids darn it! And I bet there's others that want that. Or getting married to their love interest, etc. THAT, stereotypically enough- is how a series like this should end.

"The Reapers were destroyed, many died. Close friends died. But in the end, Shepard and _____ lived happily ever after." It works.

HOWEVER, the only ending that could viably work is Synthesis (When Shepard is 100% killed no matter what). A bit anti-climactic. But in the end you made the ultimate sacrifice to save everyone and save future generations.

Thing is, there's still the plot holes that need a'pluggin. The whole Normandy crashing, how did it get there? How did all my squad mates get there? Last time I checked, they were on Earth! And I highly doubt Joker flew down there, picked them up, and ran away without the fleets yelling at him to return to the fight, etc.

[Phydeaux314]

Dene, I have the answer to that one, at least: It's based on your EMS.

Shepard will say the line, "What happened to Hammer? Nobody else make it up?"

If it's below a certain level, Anderson will give the line "No... everyone else was dead... or too wounded to move on" while you're crawling through the bloody hallway.
If it's above a certain level, Anderson will give the line "Everyone behind us was forced to retreat."

No idea what the breakpoints are yet, but that's the trigger for them surviving/dying.

[noobcannon]

Ziajin wrote...

Tamuril24 wrote...

When I think about all this, people saying that bioware have something coming or they are trolling us, why would they be so unhappy on their twitters etc? Part of me things that this is how they wanted it all to go down and this was the end for them. I do feel incredibly sorry for them if this is the case, it must be a kick in the head to see your work torn apart. I just think I need to make it clear that I loved the actual game, it was amazing, its just the ending that has killed it for the majority and if you want to make this game legendary then you should change it or give us another option.

Agreed. It is sad to see them feeling well, sad. I also agree with the fact the actual game was -amazing- BUT... The ending? It was anti-climactic. I was... Pissed when I beat it. Plot holes and more questions to be answered.

That- is how all of this began. The ending. BioWare makes games with a plot, a story... Sadly, how this ended, was like no book, movie, show, or game w/ story that I have ever seen, read, or played. It's really, really, really disappointing. They're better than that, and they know it. That may be why they're seeming so sad. Perhaps they didn't notice it at first, but then they see the aggravated posts and threads like this, and they see it. I do hope to goodness they release a DLC with an excellent ending...

As I posted a few posts before, I want my happy ending with my femshep + Liara + little blue kids darn it! And I bet there's others that want that. Or getting married to their love interest, etc. THAT, stereotypically enough- is how a series like this should end.

"The Reapers were destroyed, many died. Close friends died. But in the end, Shepard and _____ lived happily ever after." It works.

HOWEVER, the only ending that could viably work is Synthesis (When Shepard is 100% killed no matter what). A bit anti-climactic. But in the end you made the ultimate sacrifice to save everyone and save future generations.

Thing is, there's still the plot holes that need a'pluggin. The whole Normandy crashing, how did it get there? How did all my squad mates get there? Last time I checked, they were on Earth! And I highly doubt Joker flew down there, picked them up, and ran away without the fleets yelling at him to return to the fight, etc.

have you read anything on this thread? lol. just about no one here believes that was the real ending.

[Ziajin]

noobcannon wrote...

Ziajin wrote...

Tamuril24 wrote...

When I think about all this, people saying that bioware have something coming or they are trolling us, why would they be so unhappy on their twitters etc? Part of me things that this is how they wanted it all to go down and this was the end for them. I do feel incredibly sorry for them if this is the case, it must be a kick in the head to see your work torn apart. I just think I need to make it clear that I loved the actual game, it was amazing, its just the ending that has killed it for the majority and if you want to make this game legendary then you should change it or give us another option.

Agreed. It is sad to see them feeling well, sad. I also agree with the fact the actual game was -amazing- BUT... The ending? It was anti-climactic. I was... Pissed when I beat it. Plot holes and more questions to be answered.

That- is how all of this began. The ending. BioWare makes games with a plot, a story... Sadly, how this ended, was like no book, movie, show, or game w/ story that I have ever seen, read, or played. It's really, really, really disappointing. They're better than that, and they know it. That may be why they're seeming so sad. Perhaps they didn't notice it at first, but then they see the aggravated posts and threads like this, and they see it. I do hope to goodness they release a DLC with an excellent ending...

As I posted a few posts before, I want my happy ending with my femshep + Liara + little blue kids darn it! And I bet there's others that want that. Or getting married to their love interest, etc. THAT, stereotypically enough- is how a series like this should end.

"The Reapers were destroyed, many died. Close friends died. But in the end, Shepard and _____ lived happily ever after." It works.

HOWEVER, the only ending that could viably work is Synthesis (When Shepard is 100% killed no matter what). A bit anti-climactic. But in the end you made the ultimate sacrifice to save everyone and save future generations.

Thing is, there's still the plot holes that need a'pluggin. The whole Normandy crashing, how did it get there? How did all my squad mates get there? Last time I checked, they were on Earth! And I highly doubt Joker flew down there, picked them up, and ran away without the fleets yelling at him to return to the fight, etc.

have you read anything on this thread? lol. just about no one here believes that was the real ending.

Yes, I have. And yes, I also believe that it wasn't the true ending. I'm just also trying to rationalize it if it -is- the real ending. But in the end, I'm about 95% sure it's not the real ending still. Thx.

[Elscotto1989]

yeah i think it adds to the dream sequence/ indoc, theory that my love interest, (Tali) and Javik got off of the Normandy with joker, so it wasn't my squad-mates from the final mission because that included Garrus not Javik, so not only that but at what point did joker get the divine idea to run through the relay from the impending shock-wave? i suppose it could've been from him trying to save Edi, but even then how did he know that the shock-wave would kill her? my Shepard didn't radio the Normandy as his skin was peeled off in 3 different colors.....i would be ok if my love interest got reaper lasered and died and then when i got cooked alive i got to go be with her, but noooooo she gets super biotic "jutsu" to warp to the Normandy that's up in space , and she couldn't have taken the shuttle because in my game Cortez got roasted.....

[macroberts]

leonia42 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

macroberts wrote...

After all, Shepard has been walking around Reaper indoctrinated people, objects, ships, and bases. And he's somehow entirely immune to indoctrination?

Every time someone brings this up I feel compelled to remind everyone that Shepard is not the only one that has been exposed to all that Reaper tech, what about squad-mates? Aside from Object Rho, squad-mates have been present for all of that stuff. Are we even sure of how long TIM has been indoctrinated yet? What if the prothean VI was detecting Shepard's indoctrination level?

The best part is what if TIM Isn't indoctrinated - and we make him off himself anyway because we convince him he is? YEEAAHHH!!

I have considered that and if the ending is indeed a hallucination that would be quite the twist if TIM isn't actually there at all.  It feels way too coincidental (sp?) that his lines are more or less the same as Saren's. As if Shepard is imaging him to be filling that role. And there really is no Big Bad Boss at the end is there? Something is missing.

Maybe all of the crew ARE indoctrinated.  Or better still, Shepard is actually a walking indoctrinator. Indoctrinating everyone he meets to follow him and do absurdly insane and suicidal things. 

Or I'm really clutching at straws. =P

I can see how the real-life indoctrination theory can work, and I appreciate the idea (and even the effort). But in the end, I don't think the attempt to break the fourth wall did enough to actually break it. It just tripped me out more than anything. 

But hey, Monday coming up in the US, maybe BioWare will release something talking about the ending.

[Dilandau3000]

Ziajin wrote...

Thing is, there's still the plot holes that need a'pluggin. The whole Normandy crashing, how did it get there? How did all my squad mates get there? Last time I checked, they were on Earth! And I highly doubt Joker flew down there, picked them up, and ran away without the fleets yelling at him to return to the fight, etc.

The only way that can work is if the time scale of the ending is different than what the cutscene implies. If it took hours or even longer for the explosion to propagate it's possible everyone was picked up and the Normandy was leaving. They may even have been leaving because they were afraid of what might happen when the energy hits the relay. The problem with that is that if that is the case, they should've shown it. It feels like there's a deleted scene somewhere. Again I'm coming back to the idea that they had to rush to finish the ending in time for the release date.

It still doesn't explain the incredible odds of them landing on a garden world, though. And does nothing to negate the fact that most of them will die there if they're not rescued (since at the least it's not possible that the planet could provide food that's edible to both the dextros (Tali and Garrus) and the levos (everyone else) on board).

[Tamuril24]

noobcannon wrote...

Ziajin wrote...

Tamuril24 wrote...

When I think about all this, people saying that bioware have something coming or they are trolling us, why would they be so unhappy on their twitters etc? Part of me things that this is how they wanted it all to go down and this was the end for them. I do feel incredibly sorry for them if this is the case, it must be a kick in the head to see your work torn apart. I just think I need to make it clear that I loved the actual game, it was amazing, its just the ending that has killed it for the majority and if you want to make this game legendary then you should change it or give us another option.

Agreed. It is sad to see them feeling well, sad. I also agree with the fact the actual game was -amazing- BUT... The ending? It was anti-climactic. I was... Pissed when I beat it. Plot holes and more questions to be answered.

That- is how all of this began. The ending. BioWare makes games with a plot, a story... Sadly, how this ended, was like no book, movie, show, or game w/ story that I have ever seen, read, or played. It's really, really, really disappointing. They're better than that, and they know it. That may be why they're seeming so sad. Perhaps they didn't notice it at first, but then they see the aggravated posts and threads like this, and they see it. I do hope to goodness they release a DLC with an excellent ending...

As I posted a few posts before, I want my happy ending with my femshep + Liara + little blue kids darn it! And I bet there's others that want that. Or getting married to their love interest, etc. THAT, stereotypically enough- is how a series like this should end.

"The Reapers were destroyed, many died. Close friends died. But in the end, Shepard and _____ lived happily ever after." It works.

HOWEVER, the only ending that could viably work is Synthesis (When Shepard is 100% killed no matter what). A bit anti-climactic. But in the end you made the ultimate sacrifice to save everyone and save future generations.

Thing is, there's still the plot holes that need a'pluggin. The whole Normandy crashing, how did it get there? How did all my squad mates get there? Last time I checked, they were on Earth! And I highly doubt Joker flew down there, picked them up, and ran away without the fleets yelling at him to return to the fight, etc.

have you read anything on this thread? lol. just about no one here believes that was the real ending.

Naturally, and I understand no one believes it is real, I am trying to believe it's not but I'm already crushed. Grapsing straws only for bioware to turn around and say nothing will come of this will only crush me further. I'm just trying to consider everything.

[aquaticidioticus]

As has been stated multiple times on this thread, I don't even want a happy ending. I just want an ending, period. This one that was given to us (and it is just one) deviated far too much and - again, as has been stated - had far too many inconsistencies for me to even consider it.

Although I still love this idea of hallucination/indoctrination - I'm unfortunately starting to fall from the hype and believe that when bioware devs stated that we were going to get the "ending that we always wanted" that they meant we, the fans/consumers/whatever camp you consider yourself, were going to have to supply that ending ourselves. I don't like that option, not one bit - but I'm also just one person and it was going to be nigh impossible for them to please everyone. Unfortunately.

I'm still going to keep crossing my fingers that I've been seriously mind-fu**ed - and I'll gladly admit as much so long as they give something, anything with closure. That's why I love this hallucination/indoctrination idea so much; even if it is a false hope.

Someone get me a tiny violin.

Anyway - on that note; I'm heading to bed.  Can't wait to see what everyone adds to the thread tomorrow. 

Modifié par aquaticidioticus, 12 mars 2012 - 09:22 .

[mahlerbone]

i just wrapped up my fully renagade character for a test. i killed the council, made anderson the human councilor, killed wrex, killed the rachni queen, legion died in the suicide mission as did mordin. so i played in the 3rd one and sure enough the council was there, udina was councilor, wrex was there, the rachni queen was there, legion was there as was mordin.

so my question is...what the hell? why did NONE of these decisions make it through? they only thing that did was my love interests.

[Dilandau3000]

aquaticidioticus wrote...

I'm unfortunately starting to fall from the hype and believe that when bioware devs stated that we were going to get the "ending that we always wanted"

I did see the ending I always wanted. It happened on Rannoch. It's just too bad there was more game after that.  (even if most of the bits after Rannoch up to the ending were still good)

Personally I'm fine with Shepard dying. I'm fine with the relays being destroyed. I'm fine with the ending being as is (except for the Normandy) if they just elaborate more on what happens after, how your choices affect the eventual outcome, and how the three endings are different.

Modifié par Dilandau3000, 12 mars 2012 - 09:25 .

[Tamuril24]

aquaticidioticus wrote...

As has been stated multiple times on this thread, I don't even want a happy ending. I just want an ending, period. This one that was given to us (and it is just one) deviated far too much and - again, as has been stated - had far too many inconsistencies for me to even consider it.

Although I still love this idea of hallucination/indoctrination - I'm unfortunately starting to fall from the hype and believe that when bioware devs stated that we were going to get the "ending that we always wanted" that they meant we, the fans/consumers/whatever camp you consider yourself, were going to have to supply that ending ourselves. I don't like that option, not one bit - but I'm also just one person and it was going to be nigh impossible for them to please everyone. Unfortunately.

I'm still going to keep crossing my fingers that I've been seriously mind-fu**ed - and I'll gladly admit as much so long as they give something, anything with closure. That's why I love this hallucination/indoctrination ideal so much; even if it is a false hope.

I don't believe in the slightest that they could not please everyone with an ending, it's really rather simple. All people are asking for is closure, I'm pretty sure they could please everyone with at least 1 bright ending or making it feel like us slogging through the 3 games was worth it in it end (currently thats a big no for many). 

[Elscotto1989]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

aquaticidioticus wrote...

I'm unfortunately starting to fall from the hype and believe that when bioware devs stated that we were going to get the "ending that we always wanted"

I did see the ending I always wanted. It happened on Rannoch. It's just too bad there was more game after that.  (even if most of the bits after Rannoch up to the ending were still good)

  i second this statement.

[byne]

So. I am currently doing my Insanity playthrough, and have come to a new conclusion as to what the ending is:

Shepard dies at the portal, killed by a single Marauder.

Game over.

>.>

I seriously cant kill this freakin thing.

[Tamuril24]

mahlerbone wrote...

i just wrapped up my fully renagade character for a test. i killed the council, made anderson the human councilor, killed wrex, killed the rachni queen, legion died in the suicide mission as did mordin. so i played in the 3rd one and sure enough the council was there, udina was councilor, wrex was there, the rachni queen was there, legion was there as was mordin.

so my question is...what the hell? why did NONE of these decisions make it through? they only thing that did was my love interests.

Agreed, it makes me think back to DA:O when they forced you to persuade one of the wardens or yourself to sleep with morrigan to ensure you lived and then in the DLC Morrigan tells you that you didn't sleep with her and theres no demon baby and that you miraculously survived the final blow on the Arch demon despite that.

Modifié par Tamuril24, 12 mars 2012 - 09:28 .

[noobcannon]

mahlerbone wrote...

i just wrapped up my fully renagade character for a test. i killed the council, made anderson the human councilor, killed wrex, killed the rachni queen, legion died in the suicide mission as did mordin. so i played in the 3rd one and sure enough the council was there, udina was councilor, wrex was there, the rachni queen was there, legion was there as was mordin.

so my question is...what the hell? why did NONE of these decisions make it through? they only thing that did was my love interests.

you sure you imported the right one? sounds dumb, but i've messed that up before.

[Elscotto1989]

"You can have some kind of ending and victory, but it’ll be a lot more brutal and minimal relative to if you do a lot of stuff. If you really build a lot of stuff and bring people to your side and rally the entire galaxy around you, and you come into the end game with that, then you’ll get an amazing, very definitive ending." <----im still waiting on this to become a true statement....

[RABicle]

What game did you guys play? Did you guys get killed by Harbinger's laser attack or something? I was paying attention so I dodged it, transported to the crucible and killed the reapers. A tear came to my eye when Kaiden and Garrus high fived as fallen reaper exploded over London Bridge.

You guys need to get better at Mass Effect. I was playing as Femshep and laughed as Tali died if it makes any difference.

Modifié par RABicle, 12 mars 2012 - 09:31 .

[mahlerbone]

noobcannon wrote...

mahlerbone wrote...

i just wrapped up my fully renagade character for a test. i killed the council, made anderson the human councilor, killed wrex, killed the rachni queen, legion died in the suicide mission as did mordin. so i played in the 3rd one and sure enough the council was there, udina was councilor, wrex was there, the rachni queen was there, legion was there as was mordin.

so my question is...what the hell? why did NONE of these decisions make it through? they only thing that did was my love interests.

you sure you imported the right one? sounds dumb, but i've messed that up before.

i got the right one. even when it uploaded to the 3rd it showed me all the decisions that i had made in the prior 2 games.

[aquaticidioticus]

Tamuril24 wrote...

aquaticidioticus wrote...

As has been stated multiple times on this thread, I don't even want a happy ending. I just want an ending, period. This one that was given to us (and it is just one) deviated far too much and - again, as has been stated - had far too many inconsistencies for me to even consider it.

Although I still love this idea of hallucination/indoctrination - I'm unfortunately starting to fall from the hype and believe that when bioware devs stated that we were going to get the "ending that we always wanted" that they meant we, the fans/consumers/whatever camp you consider yourself, were going to have to supply that ending ourselves. I don't like that option, not one bit - but I'm also just one person and it was going to be nigh impossible for them to please everyone. Unfortunately.

I'm still going to keep crossing my fingers that I've been seriously mind-fu**ed - and I'll gladly admit as much so long as they give something, anything with closure. That's why I love this hallucination/indoctrination ideal so much; even if it is a false hope.

I don't believe in the slightest that they could not please everyone with an ending, it's really rather simple. All people are asking for is closure, I'm pretty sure they could please everyone with at least 1 bright ending or making it feel like us slogging through the 3 games was worth it in it end (currently thats a big no for many). 

Well when you put it that way.  

I'm still falling from the hype though - which is unfortunate.  I guess I'll just have to settle for time being with supplying my own ending post-indoctrination; not that I haven't already.