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#39501
lex0r11

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Big G13 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Ist mir durchaus aufgefallen;)


Englisch bitte!!! :ph34r:


I'm surprised here hasn't been any "f*cking ****s!!" post yet!


Ach du meine Guete!

Oh my goodness! ( see, I can learn and stuff)


Mein Luftkissenboot ist voller Aale!

Sorry, Lex0r11 only taught me the one phrase. The only other German phrase I know is .... very impolite. :innocent:


My hovercraft is full of eels!

I guess he is referring to this.

youtu.be/G6D1YI-41ao in english

youtu.be/ZoHhFcgM3SU in german

No one can hide from me, i speak to many languages!

Modifié par lex0r11, 19 avril 2012 - 03:00 .


#39502
Earthborn_Shepard

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stop giving out all our secrets! :D

also I'm a girl... :)

#39503
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Rifneno wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

About the reapers whether they are good or evil...It's just a case of morality vs moravlity. Their morality is not ours and viseversa. The thing the do they believe are for the greater good over a vast level of time, and with our limited sight and knowlege, we not be able to see it.
Their reason sounded to be no different then the salarian appling the genophague on the krogan or the desisions we chosed in Legion loyalty mission.
The only thing evil about them is the fact that they want to impose their beleif on us no matter what we think.


Please. You might as well claim good and evil don't exist if you try to say a group that's murdered quintillions of people aren't evil because their morality isn't the same as ours. I'd invoke Godwin's Law, but honestly, comparing the Reapers to the ****s isn't fair to the frickin' ****s. And the Reapers don't "just" commit galactic genocide, they actively use psychological warfare to mentally torture, terrify, horrify, and break their victims.

I'm not going to get into the genophage debate because it will deteriorate into a discussion about a very controversial real life topic with similar basic moral dilemmas (if anyone isn't sure what I mean, it starts with an "a"). As for the heretic geth, it's not even remotely the same. The heretic geth were enemy combatants by their own choosing. They made the decision to help the Reapers murder everyone. They are not innocent victims and no one used mental torture on them.

Evil does exist and the Reapers are it. Just because a culture is different does not preclude it from being wrong.


I'm sorry but that's a quite a childish view of it. We kill billions of micro-organisms every day by doing things like sitting down or clapping our hands. The reapers do not regard us as life equal to them, therefore killing us is not "evil". How many times have you killed an insect for no other reason that it was annoying you?

You are applying our moral perspective to them. Even if the ONLY reason for the cycle is to allow Reaper reproduction it simply makes them animals that need to kill to survive, just like everyone else. No good villian thinks they are evil, and Mass Effect has made it a point not to do black and white morality. 

Don't get me wrong, they must be stopped, but I won't claim it's because we are "good" and they are evil. They must be stopped because there are trillions more of us and honestly, we want to live.

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lex0r11 wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Ist mir durchaus aufgefallen;)


Englisch bitte!!! :ph34r:


I'm surprised here hasn't been any "f*cking ****s!!" post yet!


Ach du meine Guete!

Oh my goodness! ( see, I can learn and stuff)


Mein Luftkissenboot ist voller Aale!

Sorry, Lex0r11 only taught me the one phrase. The only other German phrase I know is .... very impolite. :innocent:


My hovercraft is full of eels!

I guess he is referring to this.

youtu.be/G6D1YI-41ao in english

youtu.be/ZoHhFcgM3SU in german

No one can hide from me, i speak to many languages!

LOL! That was worth the trip. :lol:

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@stegoceras, fair enough. but i look at itthis way: was it only that sign i would also call it coincidence. but concidering everything that hasbeen found by the people in this thread...at some poimt..one just has to stop calling things "coincidence". sure it does not say anything about whether whether IT will be implemented or not, just saying it's very strange.

@epyon...thanks for the effort, still haven't seen it anywhere on the citadel. But it could be SOmMEWHERE...well as i said. the moment i see this thing anywhere else, i'll gladly shut up about it.

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SS2Dante wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

About the reapers whether they are good or evil...It's just a case of morality vs moravlity. Their morality is not ours and viseversa. The thing the do they believe are for the greater good over a vast level of time, and with our limited sight and knowlege, we not be able to see it.
Their reason sounded to be no different then the salarian appling the genophague on the krogan or the desisions we chosed in Legion loyalty mission.
The only thing evil about them is the fact that they want to impose their beleif on us no matter what we think.


Please. You might as well claim good and evil don't exist if you try to say a group that's murdered quintillions of people aren't evil because their morality isn't the same as ours. I'd invoke Godwin's Law, but honestly, comparing the Reapers to the ****s isn't fair to the frickin' ****s. And the Reapers don't "just" commit galactic genocide, they actively use psychological warfare to mentally torture, terrify, horrify, and break their victims.

I'm not going to get into the genophage debate because it will deteriorate into a discussion about a very controversial real life topic with similar basic moral dilemmas (if anyone isn't sure what I mean, it starts with an "a"). As for the heretic geth, it's not even remotely the same. The heretic geth were enemy combatants by their own choosing. They made the decision to help the Reapers murder everyone. They are not innocent victims and no one used mental torture on them.

Evil does exist and the Reapers are it. Just because a culture is different does not preclude it from being wrong.


I'm sorry but that's a quite a childish view of it. We kill billions of micro-organisms every day by doing things like sitting down or clapping our hands. The reapers do not regard us as life equal to them, therefore killing us is not "evil". How many times have you killed an insect for no other reason that it was annoying you?

You are applying our moral perspective to them. Even if the ONLY reason for the cycle is to allow Reaper reproduction it simply makes them animals that need to kill to survive, just like everyone else. No good villian thinks they are evil, and Mass Effect has made it a point not to do black and white morality. 

Don't get me wrong, they must be stopped, but I won't claim it's because we are "good" and they are evil. They must be stopped because there are trillions more of us and honestly, we want to live.


You're both wrong.

Reapers want us dead because we're free and they hate our way of life! They're just sore because they're ruled by an oppressive one god child government and hate to see that we have so much free will.


EDIT: Joking in case someone thinks otherwise.

Modifié par EpyonX3, 19 avril 2012 - 03:12 .


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SS2Dante

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captainbob8383 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

By the way, if anyone has that triple screenshot of the kid next to the warning signs, this would probably be a good place to re-post it, considering this new research we have.


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Caution
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Danger
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(sorry if someone's brought this up, catching up)

Look at the second picture. They've made it a point to show someone being HELPED into the shuttle. (it's more visible in the video, the person is being given a hand)

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Skillz1986 wrote...

@epyon...thanks for the effort, still haven't seen it anywhere on the citadel. But it could be SOmMEWHERE...well as i said. the moment i see this thing anywhere else, i'll gladly shut up about it.


No problem. That's the next step. I've noticed textures from different levels packaged into others. I don't know what the reason for this is.

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

stop giving out all our secrets! :D

also I'm a girl... :)


Ich bitte um Verzeihung, junge Dame!

You may wish for a custom motivational with babies of any race or anything Mass Effect related as compensation

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Rifneno wrote...

Stegoceras wrote...

To be fairly honest, I have no memory of what signs I ran into along the way (nor do I care actually) and if someone did meticolously spent his time scanning every planet and noting them down, good for them, I'll take their word. To me it just seems like a longshot and too minor to be anything more than a coincidence, but I guess only time will give the final word on this (at least, I hope it does).


In other words, you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. But I guess we could gather that from the fact you thought signs in the prologue couldn't be used elsewhere. Regardless, "it seems like a longshot to me" was not your original point. Your original point was that "but it's a human head so you could only see it on Earth" nonsense which we didn't even use all the ways possible to prove wrong. Like the fact that such a simple drawing doesn't show enough detail to preclude races like asari.


Whats the argument here? I just got on

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Ist mir durchaus aufgefallen;)


Englisch bitte!!! :ph34r:


I'm surprised here hasn't been any "f*cking ****s!!" post yet!


Ach du meine Guete!

Oh my goodness! ( see, I can learn and stuff)


Mein Luftkissenboot ist voller Aale!



Lolwut?

"My blimp is full of eels?"
Das kann doch nicht wahr sein! Das ist alles eine Lüge!!!

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lex0r11 wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Ist mir durchaus aufgefallen;)


Englisch bitte!!! :ph34r:


I'm surprised here hasn't been any "f*cking ****s!!" post yet!


Ach du meine Guete!

Oh my goodness! ( see, I can learn and stuff)


Mein Luftkissenboot ist voller Aale!

Sorry, Lex0r11 only taught me the one phrase. The only other German phrase I know is .... very impolite. :innocent:


My hovercraft is full of eels!

I guess he is referring to this.

youtu.be/G6D1YI-41ao in english

youtu.be/ZoHhFcgM3SU in german

No one can hide from me, i speak to many languages!



Really? How many do you speak?

Because I can speak 5!

#39513
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Alle warten auf das Licht
Fürchtet euch fürchtet euch nicht
Die Sonne scheint mir aus den Augen
Sie wird heute Nacht nicht untergehen
Und die Welt zählt laut bis zehn

Since we got a German thing going* here just thought I'd sing a little.

(fixed for stupidity cause I gotz a lot):whistle:

Modifié par Legion109, 19 avril 2012 - 03:28 .


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lex0r11 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

stop giving out all our secrets! :D

also I'm a girl... :)


Ich bitte um Verzeihung, junge Dame!

You may wish for a custom motivational with babies of any race or anything Mass Effect related as compensation



? I ask your forgiveness, young miss?

#39515
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I know four :D

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Legion109 wrote...

Alle warten auf das Licht
Fürchtet euch fürchtet euch nicht
Die Sonne scheint mir aus den Augen
Sie wird heute Nacht nicht untergehen
Und die Welt zählt laut bis zehn

Since we got a German thing goon here just thought I'd sing a little.


EINS hier kommt die Sonne

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Legion109 wrote...

Alle warten auf das Licht
Fürchtet euch fürchtet euch nicht
Die Sonne scheint mir aus den Augen
Sie wird heute Nacht nicht untergehen
Und die Welt zählt laut bis zehn

Since we got a German thing goon here just thought I'd sing a little.


EINS hier kommt die Sonne


Rammstein for life B)

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I'm sorry guys, but I can't find it myself..

The blog about this theory, does anyone has it bookmarked? I kinda want to show it to my friend, who is still on the verge..

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I know four :D

I know one, BUT, I can speak it in 3 different dialects.:D

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KneeTheCap wrote...

I'm sorry guys, but I can't find it myself..

The blog about this theory, does anyone has it bookmarked? I kinda want to show it to my friend, who is still on the verge..

Are you looking for parabolee.blogspot.com?        http://parabolee.blogspot.com/

Modifié par Big G13, 19 avril 2012 - 03:37 .


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I can speak one in three different accents... O.o

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llbountyhunter wrote...

Baldsake wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

True, but UrgedDuke has a point. If the Extended Cut sticks to the current ending without confirming IT or coming up with a good new explanation either, it will be a far bigger disappointment than what we've already endured.


It'll also mark the last time many of us buy a BW product.  I know ME3 will be my last if the ending was real.  Sadly, I'm kind of worried they won't do IT because of the massive hate it gets (outside of this thread).  I'm quite confident that they did plan to go that route, but the reaction to the ending thus far has been...  well, you know.


I'd love to say I'll definitely not buy another BioWare game again, but I really can't. If there's another fantastic-looking game by BioWare coming out I know I'll struggle not to get it. The important thing for me, though, is the appalling way they've treated their most loyal customers. The double-speak, enigma and misdirection of the last month or two has been nothing short of shameful, given that the reason the fans are upset in the first place is because they don't understand what the hell's going on.

BioWare are in a position to neutralise all the anger that's bouncing around at the moment in one fell swoop, but they've repeatedly refused to do so. That's what I'll take out of this fiasco, more than anything. Even if IT is true and BioWare have pulled off one of the best and most daring moves in videogame (hell, all entertainment media) history, my opinion of them will still forever be soured by how they've strung us along.

My thoughts exactly, I can deal with dissapointing games or endings from companies, it happens to the best of them (Dragon Age 2 and ME3's ending, ofcourse) but it's the way BioWare has dealt with the situation that's just annoying. I feel that whatever you ask/say they'll give some generic response and they've never given us some real useful information.. Never did anyone there write a blog or something saying: ''Alright guys, I know you don't like the ending, this is what we're going to do about it.'' Now we apparently have an Extended Cut coming where Jessica Merizan is giving us all kinds of info that doesn't seem logical, it's like she has no idea what she's taking about, everything they (BW) say can be taken the wrong way and their ''wink-wink'' tweets are getting old. I honestly feel like they're treating us like a bunch of kids, and that's the worst way they could've handled this situation. I can't tell you how many times I tweeted towards BioWare, and the few times they did tweet back they said things like ''Thanks for the suggestion!''... That's just a polite way of saying ''Shut up''.


So basically your saying you support ****ty endings, false advertising and lying companies.


I honestly can't believe the hate people are giving Bioware. Even if the ending is literal, so the hell what? The Mass Effect franchise has given me nearly 90 hours of excellent gaming and perhaps 15 minutes of bad gaming.

People are punishing a game company because they were so GOOD, not because they were bad. They were so good and they screwed up once, so people are crucifying them for it. It's childish and entitled. The ME's were my first Bioware game and from now on I can tell you I'm buying every damn game they produce.

By the way, "false advertising". Get outta here with that bull****. Try suing a movie for "false advertising", or a book. 

Geeze. People happily buy the next mediocre shooter but get furious when ME's last 15 minutes aren't very good. It's not right.

EDIT : said last 15 minutes are good, instead of "aren't". Freudian slip I guess :P

Modifié par SS2Dante, 19 avril 2012 - 03:43 .


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captainbob8383 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

@stegoceras...well then consider my post. if bolt/head sign is human/earth specific, How come none of the other signs on earth are not human/earth/vancouver/vent specific. but can be found on other planets..other devices? Let's try it this way.


I found the bolt/head sign in a texture file combined with other caution signs. It was packaged with Citadel stuff.


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Additionally, reapers are named Sovereign, at least the standard ones we see in the beginning and during the final attack. 

I haven't found harbinger yet but the child is named two thing. Child and Guardian. This implies that there is a Child at one point and Guardian, although looks like the child, is a seperate character.


If I remember correctly there are indeed packages named "child" and "guardian", but there is actually only one "child" model. It is re-used in different packages and is named "..._GRD_....".
I'll check and post a screenshot later.


I wouldn't say that's the implication, the two models are after all different looking. If you called them the same thing then it would load the same model in both the start and the end. Either starchild at the beginning or ventkid at the end :P

Also, whats that sign on the middle left? :P 

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estebanus wrote...

[...]

Really? How many do you speak?

Because I can speak 5!


Showoff! I only have 4. <_<

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Sinve we're braging about language skills
german/polish/english/french y español...5 if i counted right (always sucked at maths)