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[Sammuthegreat]

SS2Dante wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Also, i might have to add, that i really get emotionally invested in narratives, very invested. i remeber watching shutter island..and how everything fell into place in the end..and how i kept thinking about all the small things and situations, that in the end played such a huge role. maye it is why i love indoc theory so much. that in the end, when it all falls into place...i would once again have that grear feeling of satisfaction. i can only hope

Ha, my immediate reaction when the twist came in Shutter Island was "...huh. That was kinda... obvious." I felt a bit disappointed that the twist was so thematically simple in the end. I was pretty disappointed, but then I got to the very end of the film, the last scene (you know the one), which was what really pulled the twist off in style and defeated my prior disappointment.

A simple twist, well executed. BioWare could learn a thing or two.

If IT is correct, the Shutter Island people could learn a lot from Bioware.

Touché.

Skillz1986 wrote...

@byne same with me...i was watching it with my sister and we were both like "aww come on..i already what's going to happen" but we had serious hope in mr. scorcese so we kept watching...and in the end..were just sitting there with dropped jaws staring at each other a moment later...and i remember the first thing i said was "ach du scheiße" which means as much as WTF...but in a good way...a WTF uttered in awe.

 

Do I tell him I'm not Byne?

[byne]

Skillz1986 wrote...

@byne same with me...i was watching it with my sister and we were both like "aww come on..i already what's going to happen" but we had serious hope in mr. scorcese so we kept watching...and in the end..were just sitting there with dropped jaws staring at each other a moment later...and i remember the first thing i said was "ach du scheiße" which means as much as WTF...but in a good way...a WTF uttered in awe.

I believe you have confused me and sammu.

Also, I lived in Germany for 3 years, and scheiße is like one of the four words of German I actually remember.

Mostly because even though she knew what it meant, my mom would let me say it and not get mad at me, which as a kid, cussing and not getting in trouble was awesome.

Modifié par byne, 19 avril 2012 - 08:59 .

[byne]

Sammuthegreat wrote...


Do I tell him I'm not Byne?

Nah, pretend you're me. Say crazy things. Ruin my reputation.

'Tis what I would do.

[SS2Dante]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Also, i might have to add, that i really get emotionally invested in narratives, very invested. i remeber watching shutter island..and how everything fell into place in the end..and how i kept thinking about all the small things and situations, that in the end played such a huge role. maye it is why i love indoc theory so much. that in the end, when it all falls into place...i would once again have that grear feeling of satisfaction. i can only hope

Ha, my immediate reaction when the twist came in Shutter Island was "...huh. That was kinda... obvious." I felt a bit disappointed that the twist was so thematically simple in the end. I was pretty disappointed, but then I got to the very end of the film, the last scene (you know the one), which was what really pulled the twist off in style and defeated my prior disappointment.

A simple twist, well executed. BioWare could learn a thing or two.

If IT is correct, the Shutter Island people could learn a lot from Bioware.

Touché.

Skillz1986 wrote...

@byne same with me...i was watching it with my sister and we were both like "aww come on..i already what's going to happen" but we had serious hope in mr. scorcese so we kept watching...and in the end..were just sitting there with dropped jaws staring at each other a moment later...and i remember the first thing i said was "ach du scheiße" which means as much as WTF...but in a good way...a WTF uttered in awe.

 

Do I tell him I'm not Byne?

Don't tell him. It'll break his heart.

[Skillz1986]

Oh sorry man/woman:) ..just looled at your profile pic and somehow i always associate it with byne. my bad, i appologize ...damn that's emberassing..i uh..gotta go!

[Skillz1986]

Oh sorry man/woman:) ..just looled at your profile pic and somehow i always associate it with byne. my bad, i appologize ...damn that's emberassing..i uh..gotta go!

[Sammuthegreat]

 I AM BYNE. HEAR ME ROAR.
INDOCTRINATION THEORY IS A HOAX, I MADE IT ALL UP. HONEST.
AND LEX0R IS NOT AWESOME.

[byne]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

AND LEX0R IS NOT AWESOME.

NOW YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR!

[Skillz1986]

Well, double post. seems like i am just sinking deeper and deeper into the abyss of shame and embaressment

[Sammuthegreat]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

byne wrote...

AND LEX0R IS NOT AWESOME.

NOW YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR!

I wish you wouldn't always post in capitals.

P.S. Consider yourself besmirched.

P.P.S. I'm a dude. Very much a dude.

EDIT: further subtle besmirching.

Modifié par Sammuthegreat, 19 avril 2012 - 09:04 .

[SS2Dante]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Storm258 wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...
Maybe EA forced Bioware to get the game out by March in order to get better sells. With EA's demand, Bioware used the Indoc Theory and Bioware can't come out and say EA told them to get the game out by March (as they may lose their jobs).

You got a good point, but why couldn't they just affirm (or deny) that the IT is right? They woudln't have to blame EA or tell us why they did things like this, but just tell is if we should have hopes about the IT or not. If the IT were right and they would just tell us it is, they could calm down many people and probably even reduce their loss of money.

IMO, Bioware wanted to create an ending that, while being conclusive and granting closure, still had room for speculation, in the tradition of "Was Decard a Replicant" or  "did they ever get out of the matrix?" only, they failed to make it clear "something was not right here" however, they were too close to the project and unable to see "oh, how might the fans take this?" hence the panic and the fact that they didn't expect to have to make the EC. THey probably wanted us speculating until something they were working on is released. Possibly an expansion pack, or mayhaps some DLC, maybe even a ME4, featuring a new character, finishing the fight that Shepard started.

More than is likely, they forgot that other people might look at it a different way from the writers. Or, the other theory... notice that 90% of the people supporting IT are long time Bioware fans and ME players. Notice that the literalists are primarily newbs.

They simply could have intended 2 different endings, noobs interpret the ending as literal, oldtimers get Indoctrination, It encourages players to go back and play, and thus buy, the old games, and looking at the logic of several things in ME3 if your Shepard didn't do them... well... it's not like they care about ****ing canon where n00bs are concerned.

I've put forward the idea a few times now, that Bioware could not and most certainly SHOULD not confirm IT for at least a few months after release. There's a lot of worrying about DLC right now. Imagine the scandal if Bioware admits that they sold a game "without an ending". People wouldn't care about the clever twist because they'd be too angry that they didn't get their moneys worth.

So what if they admitted IT after release? Well, look at how angry everyone was/is. It doesn't matter how clever and planned and foreshadowed it was, the public are not in a forgiving state of mind right now. Instead, the only possible thing for Bioware to do is to wait, perhaps let a few vague statements slip to encourage hope, and wait. Let people calm down, so that when they do release IT, people are in the mood to be tricked. You can already see it happening. people are asking for the ending to be changed, asking for it not to be over, where before they would have been furious that they were sold an incomplete game. If you wait the right amount of time, people will BEG for IT to be correct.

So you release it a few months later, making yourself a whole bunch of extra publicity, and getting all your review scores bumped up because of the incredibly "artistic" twist (which it absolutely is).


..is my understanding. I can't see any other way they could have done it.

[Skillz1986]

Well..just a precaution i wouldn't from your profile pic, and when i was 15 i told "jennybaby15" that k would like to meet her. turned out it was a guy..so yeah..nicknames do not really say much for me. but thanks for claryfying

[byne]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

byne wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

AND LEX0R IS NOT AWESOME.

NOW YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR!

I wish you wouldn't always post in capitals.

P.S. Consider yourself besmirched.

P.P.S. I'm a dude. Very much a dude.

But if I dont post in ALLCAPS how will people take me seriously?

You didnt think this through at all

Also, I am a dude as well. In case anyone was confused.

[Arian Dynas]

Drift Avalii wrote...

My first playthrough, I *thought* I was prepared. I spent the whole Starkid discussion with a cynical eyebrow raised, as I didn't trust him and was horrified that I had to make a choice regardless. Then to make it worse I planned to choose destroy then chose synthesis by accident by not realising what I had to do (don't ask, I was in shock). When I did replay and chose destroy, I just didn't feel as heartened by the breath scene as I'd hoped I would be.

I'm a medical student studying in London and also happen to be the kind of person who can sulk for a good week if disappointed by a game/book I'm emotionally invested in, so it's just as well I wasn't expected to do anything like ABGs or deal with difficult patients or the like. I get so absorbed into storylines that it really affects me if they go wrong.

IT really has got my hopes up that such a monumental lapse in dev judgement is for a reason, plus being a nearly-doctor I'm a great fan of logic and evidence! This is actually now the only thread I read, as the others are full of such anger it genuinely gets me down.

I'm a sensitive flower *sniff*

Me too, word for word here. Well, except the medical student parts.

I actually only recently reached the end. It barely had an effect on me, because by this point.., I had already been here for a while 

But... the one phrase from Bioware that gave me hope early on...

"You know what movies we like? Shutter Island and the 6th Sense."

"I think we see what you're laying down."

"Good, because you know what we don't like? LOST."

[Headbutters inc]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Drift Avalii wrote...

Then to make it worse I planned to choose destroy then chose synthesis by accident by not realising what I had to do (don't ask, I was in shock)

Don't worry, I did the exact same thing. And I'm a law graduate, soon to be a solicitor, so I like facts and logic too, and I was appalled by the ending. I already knew there was controversy before I completed the game, but I thought the rest of the game was so incredible that I'd decide on my own instead of spoiling myself.

Needless to say, I was disappointed. Although my overriding feeling at the end was "Oh God, is Liara dead?!" because she'd been in my squad when we charged Harby and she didn't get off the Normandy in Space Magic Land. I was actually relieved when I redid the ending and picked Destroy, and Liara did get off the Normandy then, which of course made no sense at all.

That was about the time when I picked up my laptop and found the Indoctrination Theory. I've not looked back since.

I had a similar moment, wanting to choose destroy then I casually wandered to control to have a look. Suddenly I'm stuck at the panel and I have no choice but to go for it. 'It's ok' I tell myself, I'll just replay the other 2 to see how it pans out. Picking the husk amplifyer I realised I just wanted to turn off the console and try again but no. I was in lockdown and had to see the horror displayed before me.

After the shock, rage then utter deflation that I felt, I stumbled onto this thread and Acavos' video and it has all brought me one sense of feeling about the game.

Hope

[Arian Dynas]

@ Dante they'd be upset because they THINK they didn't get their money's worth, but considering it's FREE, well then the little ****es don't have much to complain about do they?

Though you did put it well, "In a mind to be tricked." I like that.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 19 avril 2012 - 09:10 .

[Sammuthegreat]

 

Skillz1986 wrote...

Well..just a precaution i wouldn't from your profile pic, and when i was 15 i told "jennybaby15" that k would like to meet her. turned out it was a guy..so yeah..nicknames do not really say much for me. but thanks for claryfying

 

 Yeesh, that's awkward.

byne wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

byne wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

AND LEX0R IS NOT AWESOME.

NOW YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR!

I wish you wouldn't always post in capitals.

P.S. Consider yourself besmirched.

P.P.S. I'm a dude. Very much a dude.

But if I dont post in ALLCAPS how will people take me seriously?

You didnt think this through at all

Also, I am a dude as well. In case anyone was confused.

Darn, you quoted me before my subtle-besmirching edits took effect.

[byne]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

 
Darn, you quoted me before my subtle-besmirching edits took effect.

I'm crafty like that.

[Arian Dynas]

byne wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

 
Darn, you quoted me before my subtle-besmirching edits took effect.

I'm crafty like that.

An tell 'im *hic* tell im t-that Im getting on QUITE well in bis...bismirching my good *hic* name on my...my own...*hic*

- Reynauld Jemane

[MaximizedAction]

I also live in Germany where the game was released two days later. But before that I have been reading the @masseffect and saw people asking for a change of the ending. "Huh?" I thought to myself, wondering what could be so bad that people actually ask for something like that. Since then something like that is even possible? Ah well, can't be THAT bad, probably just a bit confusing.

The rest of the story is the same as with all of you, who enjoy this fine thread.

I was all different kinds of confused, but when I found IT it struck me like a lightning. I 'knew' this was it. But how? This is 'only' a theory, an unconfirmed interpretation by the audience.

See, I'm a physics student who in particular enjoys the fine theory of Einstein's general relativity. To me, this is one of the most impressive achievents of mankind. Before some folks decided to try to explain gravitation in a different way there have been a few curiousities about the universe that just could not be explained conventionally (Newton's mechanics/gravitation). For example: Mercuries orbit is very elliptical and this ellipse is spinning - this is called precession of the perihelion. Now, Mercury doing this is not the problem, the problem is the speed of the precession. And nothing (not other planets, sun's radiation, people even suggested a yet undiscovered extra planet) could fully make up for the frequency the orbit is spinning.
Then general relativity came along and made up for it, astonishingly precise. More precise than anything before it. And it revealed us things like gravitational waves, wormholes, black holes and led to GPS.
A century later, this theory now is one of the experimentally best confirmed theories, i.e. confirmed by observational facts. But even so, it will remain impossible to prove the theory, because in nature you cannot prove a theory, you can only disprove it, by some observation that eventually contradicts results the theory predicts.

Why this wall of text? Indoc Theory struck me nearly as much as general relativity did as a theory when presented. It just matches the in-game observations so impressively well. So I kinda fell in love with it in a similar way.

And thanks to Bioware not confirming or denying it, to me, it's the best theory yet. A theory so good, it's as good as proven .

[Geth VI]

I like the theories here.

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...

byne wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

 
Darn, you quoted me before my subtle-besmirching edits took effect.

I'm crafty like that.

An tell 'im *hic* tell im t-that Im getting on QUITE well in bis...bismirching my good *hic* name on my...my own...*hic*

- Reynauld Jemane

I'm super bored today, so I've been watching old episodes of Rooster Teeth's Fails of the Weak series.

Right after you said that, I got to 2:42 in this video.

I totally forgot I submitted that.

I am apparently also good at besmirching my own good name.

'Adding insult to stupidity.' is still probably my favorite description of any action I've ever taken.

[lex0r11]

byne wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

AND LEX0R IS NOT AWESOME.

NOW YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR!

*motivational sense tingles*





*sees to many of the same avatar pictures*

*head explodes*

Modifié par lex0r11, 19 avril 2012 - 09:25 .

[Earthborn_Shepard]

I really shouldn't imagine people on the internet according to their avatar's gender.

I should just assume that everything, EVERYTHING is a guy.

[SS2Dante]

Arian Dynas wrote...

@ Dante they'd be upset because they THINK they didn't get their money's worth, but considering it's FREE, well then the little ****es don't have much to complain about do they?

Though you did put it well, "In a mind to be tricked." I like that.

Yeah, that's something I say to people as well. I remember people planning to boycott this game if they found out that it was incomplete, even if the ending was free, and it totally confused me. I think the worry is that this could lead to similar incidents but with charges associated, which I think is rubbish but meh.

I think it's the same sort of thinking that got people annoyed about the Javik DLC. I didn't get it (no points at the time:@) and I didn't feel like I'd missed out on any important or crucial story, but people who did say they thought it was important and that anyone without had an incomplete experience. Now, since the entire point of this dlc was that they started working on it AFTER the game went gold I have no problem with it being paid, but a lot of people disagree.

Yeah. Basically, in ME3 I think they were pretty damn confident going in that they'd sell enough units. It's the third in a popular trilogy in a media where old franchises sell the most. I mean, even with all this so called outrage I haven't seen any evidence that the games sales were less than stellar. This is the perfect time to try something like this, as it's risk free. if it fails, all Bioware need to do is make some heartfelt speech about how they learned their lesson and people will buy their next game.