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I think Bioware's stance on it is, anything that gives anyone an unfair advantage in multiplayer, such as messing with the leaderboard, giving extra credits at the end of a match, or modding a pistol which instagibs things on Gold.

By changing the sound channels from the default of 32 to 64 is considered modding, but it only results in better sound quality and doesn't affect multiplayer in any way. .


Yea you can't mod that gives you an unfair advantage in MP, but Bioware lied to SPer gamers that you don't need anything outside of SP. It wouldn't take Bioware less than a few mintues to change the rating % from 50 to 60.


A lot of people keep saying this, but I could have sworn I saw a topic a few weeks back where someone proved you can get 4000+ EMS without multiplayer. I believe it required you to play from the beginning of the series rather than being able to do it with just ME3. 

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HellishFiend wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

magnetite wrote...

I think Bioware's stance on it is, anything that gives anyone an unfair advantage in multiplayer, such as messing with the leaderboard, giving extra credits at the end of a match, or modding a pistol which instagibs things on Gold.

By changing the sound channels from the default of 32 to 64 is considered modding, but it only results in better sound quality and doesn't affect multiplayer in any way. .


Yea you can't mod that gives you an unfair advantage in MP, but Bioware lied to SPer gamers that you don't need anything outside of SP. It wouldn't take Bioware less than a few mintues to change the rating % from 50 to 60.


A lot of people keep saying this, but I could have sworn I saw a topic a few weeks back where someone proved you can get 4000+ EMS without multiplayer. I believe it required you to play from the beginning of the series rather than being able to do it with just ME3. 


I played everything that Bioware gave us for Mass Effect and I got a Total of 7300, and some of those ppl that had 4,000+ made a mistake or actually played MP. So even if you played from ME1 (and DLCs) you can't get 4000EMS.

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magnetite wrote...

That galactic readiness is a multiplier of sorts. For example 50 TMS * 50% GR= 25 EMS. So if you change one of your war assets to 20,000 and don't touch multiplayer at all, 10,000 EMS is more than enough to get the best ending.


I understand how the EMS works, the reason I don't want to use my trainer for assets is because I want to play the side-mission and makes worth it to get everything. Also I don't want to speed through the game.

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OK, I just had a thought.  I'm replaying the scene where Shepard is trying to reach the Maw Hammers on Tuchanka.  Does anyone else think that the run down the hill at the end resembles this scene?  I mean, large beam of light thing (The Shroud shooting that beam into the air), Reaper shooting at you, and very little cover forcing you to run to avoid being shot.  Any thoughts?

Edit: I also just noticed that the Reaper is standing perched between two ledges (like Harbinger at the end), and it stands up and moves at one point (again, kind of like Harbinger).

Modifié par Dwailing, 20 avril 2012 - 02:17 .


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Dwailing wrote...

OK, I just had a thought.  I'm replaying the scene where Shepard is trying to reach the Maw Hammers on Tuchanka.  Does anyone else think that the run down the hill at the end resembles this scene?  I mean, large beam of light thing (The Shroud shooting that beam into the air), Reaper shooting at you, and very little cover forcing you to run to avoid being shot.  Any thoughts?


To me the run down the hill remind me of the final run of the mako in Mass Effect 1, but with ppl instead.

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Eli Parker wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I just had a thought.  I'm replaying the scene where Shepard is trying to reach the Maw Hammers on Tuchanka.  Does anyone else think that the run down the hill at the end resembles this scene?  I mean, large beam of light thing (The Shroud shooting that beam into the air), Reaper shooting at you, and very little cover forcing you to run to avoid being shot.  Any thoughts?


To me the run down the hill remind me of the final run of the mako in Mass Effect 1, but with ppl instead.


Yeah, it kind of reminds me of that, too.  I'm just saying, though, that this is a scene actually IN ME3.

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Dwailing wrote...

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Dwailing wrote...

OK, I just had a thought.  I'm replaying the scene where Shepard is trying to reach the Maw Hammers on Tuchanka.  Does anyone else think that the run down the hill at the end resembles this scene?  I mean, large beam of light thing (The Shroud shooting that beam into the air), Reaper shooting at you, and very little cover forcing you to run to avoid being shot.  Any thoughts?


To me the run down the hill remind me of the final run of the mako in Mass Effect 1, but with ppl instead.


Yeah, it kind of reminds me of that, too.  I'm just saying, though, that this is a scene actually IN ME3.


I didn't think of it that way as the story made the geno the priorty for that part of the game.

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Eli Parker wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I just had a thought.  I'm replaying the scene where Shepard is trying to reach the Maw Hammers on Tuchanka.  Does anyone else think that the run down the hill at the end resembles this scene?  I mean, large beam of light thing (The Shroud shooting that beam into the air), Reaper shooting at you, and very little cover forcing you to run to avoid being shot.  Any thoughts?


To me the run down the hill remind me of the final run of the mako in Mass Effect 1, but with ppl instead.


Yeah, it kind of reminds me of that, too.  I'm just saying, though, that this is a scene actually IN ME3.


I didn't think of it that way as the story made the geno the priorty for that part of the game.


Yeah, just putting it out there.  You know, lots of speculation. ;)

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I'm sorry but that's a quite a childish view of it. We kill billions of micro-organisms every day by doing things like sitting down or clapping our hands. The reapers do not regard us as life equal to them, therefore killing us is not "evil". How many times have you killed an insect for no other reason that it was annoying you?

You are applying our moral perspective to them. Even if the ONLY reason for the cycle is to allow Reaper reproduction it simply makes them animals that need to kill to survive, just like everyone else. No good villian thinks they are evil, and Mass Effect has made it a point not to do black and white morality.

Don't get me wrong, they must be stopped, but I won't claim it's because we are "good" and they are evil. They must be stopped because there are trillions more of us and honestly, we want to live.


Micro-organisms? Seriously?! The difference is bacteria aren't capable of thought or feeling. Likewise it's highly unlikely insects are capable of any real thought, let alone emotion. They're pretty much a set of reactions designed to keep them alive long enough to procreate. Insects are to us what your laptop is to EDI. There's a reason there's thousands of animal rights groups and nobody gives a damn if you smack a misquito. Because if it's not sentient, it's no different than a plant.


Again, you are applying our standards as universal. Reapers do not see us as intelligent, or feeling, or life worth preserving. They see us as we see insects. You are assuming Reapers see humans the way we see ourselves.

not to mention that in alot of shamanic cultures, plants are actually considered the MOST conscious forms of life, and humans are actually at the bottom.  so it isn't even a generally human perspective when you think about it like that.

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Dwailing wrote...

*snip*

Yeah, just putting it out there.  You know, lots of speculation. ;)


It still was a great mission and I'm glad that Mordin song at the moment of his death.

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Eli Parker wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

*snip*

Yeah, just putting it out there.  You know, lots of speculation. ;)


It still was a great mission and I'm glad that Mordin song at the moment of his death.


Yeah, I'm not ashamed to admit that every time I see that scene I shed tears.  Very manly tears, but still tears.

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Dwailing wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

*snip*

Yeah, just putting it out there.  You know, lots of speculation. ;)


It still was a great mission and I'm glad that Mordin song at the moment of his death.


Yeah, I'm not ashamed to admit that every time I see that scene I shed tears.  Very manly tears, but still tears.


Watching that sence broke me down for a few mintues. This is one of the many reason that I hold one to the IT for the end of Mass Effect 3.

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Arashi08 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

I'm sorry but that's a quite a childish view of it. We kill billions of micro-organisms every day by doing things like sitting down or clapping our hands. The reapers do not regard us as life equal to them, therefore killing us is not "evil". How many times have you killed an insect for no other reason that it was annoying you?

You are applying our moral perspective to them. Even if the ONLY reason for the cycle is to allow Reaper reproduction it simply makes them animals that need to kill to survive, just like everyone else. No good villian thinks they are evil, and Mass Effect has made it a point not to do black and white morality.

Don't get me wrong, they must be stopped, but I won't claim it's because we are "good" and they are evil. They must be stopped because there are trillions more of us and honestly, we want to live.


Micro-organisms? Seriously?! The difference is bacteria aren't capable of thought or feeling. Likewise it's highly unlikely insects are capable of any real thought, let alone emotion. They're pretty much a set of reactions designed to keep them alive long enough to procreate. Insects are to us what your laptop is to EDI. There's a reason there's thousands of animal rights groups and nobody gives a damn if you smack a misquito. Because if it's not sentient, it's no different than a plant.


Again, you are applying our standards as universal. Reapers do not see us as intelligent, or feeling, or life worth preserving. They see us as we see insects. You are assuming Reapers see humans the way we see ourselves.

not to mention that in alot of shamanic cultures, plants are actually considered the MOST conscious forms of life, and humans are actually at the bottom.  so it isn't even a generally human perspective when you think about it like that.


Primitive cultures also thought the sun would get angry if they didn't worship it.

#39839
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Eli Parker wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

*snip*

Yeah, just putting it out there.  You know, lots of speculation. ;)


It still was a great mission and I'm glad that Mordin song at the moment of his death.


Mordin singing doesn't happen for everyone right? I'm pretty sure I've yet to see it. And I've played through paragon twice.

#39840
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Eli Parker wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

*snip*

Yeah, just putting it out there.  You know, lots of speculation. ;)


It still was a great mission and I'm glad that Mordin song at the moment of his death.


Yeah, I'm not ashamed to admit that every time I see that scene I shed tears.  Very manly tears, but still tears.


Watching that sence broke me down for a few mintues. This is one of the many reason that I hold one to the IT for the end of Mass Effect 3.


There were quite a few place where I teared up (manly tears I might add). Mordin's death, Thane's death, Grunt's near-death, defeat of the quarian fleet, saying last goodbyes, especially to grunt, liara, garrus (especially garrus, meeting in heavenly bar :unsure:). Because of scenes like these ME3 would reamin a memorable game for me, bad ending or not.

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I'm not sure what to make of this at the moment, but I thought I would share something I found interesting.
During
the Eden Prime mission the fight scenes would have music which had the
same pattern as during the music for the final "choice".  Two beats,
*pause*, build-up clang and a beat.  I'm surprised that I did not catch
this until my fourth playthrough.  Again, I really don't know what this
could mean, if anything, but taking the pattern from the climax of the
game and slipping it in the dlc music is somewhat puzzling to me.



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Arashi08 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

I'm sorry but that's a quite a childish view of it. We kill billions of micro-organisms every day by doing things like sitting down or clapping our hands. The reapers do not regard us as life equal to them, therefore killing us is not "evil". How many times have you killed an insect for no other reason that it was annoying you?

You are applying our moral perspective to them. Even if the ONLY reason for the cycle is to allow Reaper reproduction it simply makes them animals that need to kill to survive, just like everyone else. No good villian thinks they are evil, and Mass Effect has made it a point not to do black and white morality.

Don't get me wrong, they must be stopped, but I won't claim it's because we are "good" and they are evil. They must be stopped because there are trillions more of us and honestly, we want to live.


Micro-organisms? Seriously?! The difference is bacteria aren't capable of thought or feeling. Likewise it's highly unlikely insects are capable of any real thought, let alone emotion. They're pretty much a set of reactions designed to keep them alive long enough to procreate. Insects are to us what your laptop is to EDI. There's a reason there's thousands of animal rights groups and nobody gives a damn if you smack a misquito. Because if it's not sentient, it's no different than a plant.


Again, you are applying our standards as universal. Reapers do not see us as intelligent, or feeling, or life worth preserving. They see us as we see insects. You are assuming Reapers see humans the way we see ourselves.

not to mention that in alot of shamanic cultures, plants are actually considered the MOST conscious forms of life, and humans are actually at the bottom.  so it isn't even a generally human perspective when you think about it like that.


We're not even insects to them, we're bacteria. Something to be exterminated and cleansed.

#39843
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n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

*snip*

Yeah, just putting it out there.  You know, lots of speculation. ;)


It still was a great mission and I'm glad that Mordin song at the moment of his death.


Mordin singing doesn't happen for everyone right? I'm pretty sure I've yet to see it. And I've played through paragon twice.


I think you had to get him to sing in ME2.

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pirate1802 wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

*snip*

Yeah, just putting it out there.  You know, lots of speculation. ;)


It still was a great mission and I'm glad that Mordin song at the moment of his death.


Yeah, I'm not ashamed to admit that every time I see that scene I shed tears.  Very manly tears, but still tears.


Watching that sence broke me down for a few mintues. This is one of the many reason that I hold one to the IT for the end of Mass Effect 3.


There were quite a few place where I teared up (manly tears I might add). Mordin's death, Thane's death, Grunt's near-death, defeat of the quarian fleet, saying last goodbyes, especially to grunt, liara, garrus (especially garrus, meeting in heavenly bar :unsure:). Because of scenes like these ME3 would reamin a memorable game for me, bad ending or not.


The ones that got me were the deaths or near deaths.  Mordin, Thane, Grunt, those really got to me.

Edit: I might have cried during some of the goodbyes, too.  I can't remember, although it wouldn't surprise me at all.

Modifié par Dwailing, 20 avril 2012 - 02:50 .


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Eli Parker wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

*snip*

Yeah, just putting it out there.  You know, lots of speculation. ;)


It still was a great mission and I'm glad that Mordin song at the moment of his death.


Mordin singing doesn't happen for everyone right? I'm pretty sure I've yet to see it. And I've played through paragon twice.


I think you had to get him to sing in ME2.


Yeah, I've heard that is what has to happen.

#39846
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Dwailing wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

*snip*

Yeah, just putting it out there.  You know, lots of speculation. ;)


It still was a great mission and I'm glad that Mordin song at the moment of his death.


Mordin singing doesn't happen for everyone right? I'm pretty sure I've yet to see it. And I've played through paragon twice.


I think you had to get him to sing in ME2.


Yeah, I've heard that is what has to happen.


I couldn't stop laughing when I heard him sing for the first time in ME 2.

#39847
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Rifneno wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

I'm sorry but that's a quite a childish view of it. We kill billions of micro-organisms every day by doing things like sitting down or clapping our hands. The reapers do not regard us as life equal to them, therefore killing us is not "evil". How many times have you killed an insect for no other reason that it was annoying you?

You are applying our moral perspective to them. Even if the ONLY reason for the cycle is to allow Reaper reproduction it simply makes them animals that need to kill to survive, just like everyone else. No good villian thinks they are evil, and Mass Effect has made it a point not to do black and white morality.

Don't get me wrong, they must be stopped, but I won't claim it's because we are "good" and they are evil. They must be stopped because there are trillions more of us and honestly, we want to live.


Micro-organisms? Seriously?! The difference is bacteria aren't capable of thought or feeling. Likewise it's highly unlikely insects are capable of any real thought, let alone emotion. They're pretty much a set of reactions designed to keep them alive long enough to procreate. Insects are to us what your laptop is to EDI. There's a reason there's thousands of animal rights groups and nobody gives a damn if you smack a misquito. Because if it's not sentient, it's no different than a plant.


Again, you are applying our standards as universal. Reapers do not see us as intelligent, or feeling, or life worth preserving. They see us as we see insects. You are assuming Reapers see humans the way we see ourselves.

not to mention that in alot of shamanic cultures, plants are actually considered the MOST conscious forms of life, and humans are actually at the bottom.  so it isn't even a generally human perspective when you think about it like that.


Primitive cultures also thought the sun would get angry if they didn't worship it.


Can you be more specific?  I want to search for the specific cultures, though I assume you mean the Aztec/Mayans.

 On that note: How is our "Modern" culture any different?  just replace "the sun" with "God"

#39848
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Eli Parker wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

*snip*

Yeah, just putting it out there.  You know, lots of speculation. ;)


It still was a great mission and I'm glad that Mordin song at the moment of his death.


Mordin singing doesn't happen for everyone right? I'm pretty sure I've yet to see it. And I've played through paragon twice.


I think you had to get him to sing in ME2.


Yeah, I've heard that is what has to happen.


I couldn't stop laughing when I heard him sing for the first time in ME 2.


That was one of the best moments in any game EVER.

#39849
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Rifneno wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

I'm sorry but that's a quite a childish view of it. We kill billions of micro-organisms every day by doing things like sitting down or clapping our hands. The reapers do not regard us as life equal to them, therefore killing us is not "evil". How many times have you killed an insect for no other reason that it was annoying you?

You are applying our moral perspective to them. Even if the ONLY reason for the cycle is to allow Reaper reproduction it simply makes them animals that need to kill to survive, just like everyone else. No good villian thinks they are evil, and Mass Effect has made it a point not to do black and white morality.

Don't get me wrong, they must be stopped, but I won't claim it's because we are "good" and they are evil. They must be stopped because there are trillions more of us and honestly, we want to live.


Micro-organisms? Seriously?! The difference is bacteria aren't capable of thought or feeling. Likewise it's highly unlikely insects are capable of any real thought, let alone emotion. They're pretty much a set of reactions designed to keep them alive long enough to procreate. Insects are to us what your laptop is to EDI. There's a reason there's thousands of animal rights groups and nobody gives a damn if you smack a misquito. Because if it's not sentient, it's no different than a plant.


Again, you are applying our standards as universal. Reapers do not see us as intelligent, or feeling, or life worth preserving. They see us as we see insects. You are assuming Reapers see humans the way we see ourselves.

not to mention that in alot of shamanic cultures, plants are actually considered the MOST conscious forms of life, and humans are actually at the bottom.  so it isn't even a generally human perspective when you think about it like that.


Primitive cultures also thought the sun would get angry if they didn't worship it.


DON'T SAY THAT, you'll ****** it off!

#39850
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Dwailing wrote...

That was one of the best moments in any game EVER.


That and tali's romance.