Rifneno wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
I'd say the entire starchild's logic is just f*cked up and creates some kind of circular logic.
You know, I've never had much of a problem with his logic, everyone else seems to. What's the problem?
Everything. Most people point out that making synthetics to kill everyone so they won't wind up getting killed by synthetics is brainmeltingly retarded. And they're right, it is, but starprick's foul mockery of logic goes far deeper than that. For instance the two other biggest problems with it IMO are:
1. There is no way that conclusion could have been reached. It's not possible. His assertion is that when synthetics get smart enough, they'll decide to extinguish all organic life forever. Okay, but how could such a thing be determined? A number of ways. First would be if the obvious ones, if these omni-bots wound up happening and wiping everything out. But we know that's not the case because organic life still exists. The Reapers were his solution, but if the problem pre-dated his need for a solution, they wouldn't be numerous or powerful enough to defeat the other synthetics that want to wipe out all organics. It'd be like the geth trying to take out the Reapers by themselves. Could the AI have calculated this would occur? Impossible. By the very nature of its claim, it would mean that the AI's it fears would be more powerful, smarter. Larry the Cable Guy can't accurately predict Steven Hawkening's thoughts so how would starchild predict these omni-bots? I see no way it could reach the conclusion it did by any scientifically acceptable method.
2. The Milky Way is a speck of dust to the universe as a whole. No really. Here's a fun quote. "There are probably more than 170 billion galaxies in the observable universe." Observable, at that. Who the hell knows what's "beyond" our scope. This "solution" only works for the Milky Way. One galaxy. It these super AI's decided to destroy all organics, they would eventually come from other galaxies. And they'd be advanced enough to blow through the Reapers like tissue paper. The distance between galaxies is immense, and generally considered impassable even for Reapers. But for super AI's from a galaxy that hasn't been artificially stifling its technological advancement for over a billion years? Not so much. Really it would only be a matter of when, not if these ultimate synthetics starbrat gives us terror stories about would come from beyond his control. And given how long it's been, I'd say that time would likely long have expired.
These aren't practical arguments against, though. The starchild is not a god (as much as it is framed like one), so it can only speculate as mortals do. We have absolutely no idea how it came into existance. It's completely possible that the starchild and Reapers are the product of, or have seen, that synthetic life wipes out, or ATTEMPTS to wipe out (this answers your question about them being superior machines. For all we know the Reapers were created as a defense force) all organic life (nor can we assume that life has only started once in our galaxy). Furthermore, Asimov's zeroeth law comes into effect here. The reapers, knowing and understanding synthetic life far better than we do, could simply be making an educated guess, and do not need any "proof". We know they don't consider killing organics a big deal, so it makes sense to kill inidividuals (read; the advanced species) to keep the race (all organics) alive.
As to that second argument, it's roughly the same idea as claiming we shouldn't do anything with our lives because we're all going to die anyway. And again, Reapers say repeatedly that they are the pinnacle of all life, so it doesn't sound like they have contacted or fear another machine race.
Humans wouldn't need conclusive proof to kill a man they think has a nuclear bomb in the middle of a city. It's too much of a risk. Fear gets the better of everyone, and if the starchild thinks it's likely synthetics will evolve to destroy organics then the culling process he describes seems perfectly reasonable to me.
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