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[delion74]

I love the theory of the hallucination...
But what about the Normandy crashing down on an unknown planet?? what about the man and the boy seen after the final credits talking about "the Shepard"?? Is this part of the hallucination too?

[danvla]

DangerSandler wrote...

I want to continue my romance with Jack. That is all. Bioware, make it happen. Kthxbai

I second that

[byne]

count_4 wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...
And if this is the final ending then I'm going to believe that the team of super-smart scientists that built the Crucible will figure out a way to rebuild the relays or otherwise reconnect the galaxy.

Well, if it is real, the stargazer is real which means no FTL travel for a long time...

Also, all the Relays were destroyed, meaning even if you rebuilt one, it wont be connected to another one, so you cant jump anywhere, you'll just have one working Relay that cant do anything.

[Auresta]

delion74 wrote...

I love the theory of the hallucination...
But what about the Normandy crashing down on an unknown planet?? what about the man and the boy seen after the final credits talking about "the Shepard"?? Is this part of the hallucination too?

This has been addressed. This could have been Shepard trying to idealize his/her ending/surroundings. Maybe too simple of an explanation but we won't ever know for sure until Bioware releases a statement.

[Dilandau3000]

count_4 wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...
And if this is the final ending then I'm going to believe that the team of super-smart scientists that built the Crucible will figure out a way to rebuild the relays or otherwise reconnect the galaxy.

Well, if it is real, the stargazer is real which means no FTL travel for a long time...

I didn't see anything the stargazer said that indicated that. Nothing in that cutscene indicated if FTL existed one way or the other. In fact, to assume there is no FTL you have to assume that he was just placating the kid when he said he could visit the stars "soon".

[Amarix]

This. This entire thread has given me so much hope that I'm much more willing to do a second playthrough now. I mean, I noticed how weird it was the first time, but I was so pumped up for the ending, none of it really registered. So when the godchild AI/Harbinger/whatever popped up and gave the "choices", I think I almost physically felt that punch in the face. After pausing, I spent at least 2 hours searching if this was really the "ending". I don't even want to remember it, so let's leave what I chose alone.

After sitting through the credits, I felt... Pretty abandoned (and pissed, but mostly depressed). 2 days later, I find this thread and thank the spirits! Everything that's been pointed out has made so much sense! I think it successfully pulled me out of my hole of depression, even!
Here's hoping they fix this I can't bare the thought of leaving the LI's, knowing/thinking Shep's dead permanently, and all those aliens stuck in the Sol system, and etc.,
Otherwise, I'm sticking to headcanon >~< Happy endings everywhere!

[wryterra]

 Let me be clear: I like this theory. I want this theory to be true. I love the idea that we, the players, have been through the process of indoctrination and in many cases (including mine) fallen for it! It neatly and deftly explains my every fault with the ending. 

Given the options as they were presented I figured my Shepard would be unable to bring herself to kill EDI and the geth and opt for control as the best of all possible outcomes, synthesis being a way (as she saw it) to destroy everything she'd fought for. After reading the theory I thought 'oh God, it worked, my Shepard totally got indoctrinated' and I loved the ending. 

My complaint is simple. If this IS the case, if BioWare have done something that clever, that inspiring and that worthy of acclaim... tell us about it. Make it clear in the cut-scenes that follow. Give us an ending that reveals the indoctrination of Shepard or that she resisted. 

A dialogue box telling me 'Shepard am become legend' does not make me think Shepard was indoctrinated by the Reapers and compromised unintentionally. It tells me 'Yup, that's what happened. No one's going home and the Turians and Quarians are stuck on Earth with nothing to eat so the rest of the species can watch them starve to death. Hooray!'

If BioWare were going for the clever, trick ending then they've tried to be too clever with it and the 'trick' is so good that they look like idiots right now. If they're holding out on a 'reveal', how much of the fanbase will have walked away before the revelation?

[foxlockbox]

Btw. why would it have to be a DLC? What if EA/Bioware went "Hey we have moneymaker on our hands, lets call off the triology thing and do ME4 with huge cliffhanger in ME3!".

That would almost make more sense than leaving an illogical half assed visibly bad ending and then release 1h30min DLC where you just wake up from your hallucination/indoctorination and go "Oh I get to kill the reapers now". Thats not genious from Bioware its cheating and bad fan service. ME4 would be easier to swallow.

[Dilandau3000]

byne wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...
And if this is the final ending then I'm going to believe that the team of super-smart scientists that built the Crucible will figure out a way to rebuild the relays or otherwise reconnect the galaxy.

Well, if it is real, the stargazer is real which means no FTL travel for a long time...

Also, all the Relays were destroyed, meaning even if you rebuilt one, it wont be connected to another one, so you cant jump anywhere, you'll just have one working Relay that cant do anything.

Team of super-smart scientists, remember. They'll figure something out!

[cannedcream]

Elscotto1989 wrote...
the only problem with that solution is that alot of dlc these days (especialy on consoles) requires constant internet connection or it "corrupts" your saves until your back online aka mass effect 2. lol

So far I have only had that problem a tiny handful of times.

Gotta make do with what you have.

Tamuril24 wrote...
Not sure I want the krogan on the planet......they have like thousands of babies from 1 mother. Could get a little crowded.

Yeah, we would need some kind of honor system with the krogan...

[SorrowAndJoy7]

I can understand this ending... and it actually makes the most sense... but what I don't understand is with these endings in mind, why they give us EDI, why they give us Legion, and how you can explore in so many ways that not all Synthetics are bad.... that they can be essentially human and choose and feel like we do.

If the final choice was "Destroy the Reapers" that would make more sense to me in the denying indoctrination choice... though it would also make it an easier choice... I feel like "Synthetics" was tacked in to make it the hardest choice of all... because now you are destroying things that have proven they can care and decide and feel like humans do. Yes it makes the choice harder, but is it appropriate given so many things we've experienced in the story to present it with destroying -all- synthetics as the correct choice.

In my mind, assuming this is the true interpretation of the ending, they unjustifiably included sympathetic synthetics only to trick players into being more likely to take the wrong route. They unjustifiably tacked in destroying "Synthetics" rather than destroying "Reapers" to make players more likely to take the wrong route... This isn't just the Reapers making the choice less appealing, the choice actually does kill friendly caring synthetics just as much as evil bad ones, it is Bioware itself making the choice less appealing by giving us so many truly good synthetics in the story.

I feel like making a choice more evil feeling was taken to the highest level they could... at the cost of characters they created who defied the rightness of this choice. That is why I find the indoctrination theory to be a truly great thought but one that was executed in a way that was more about tricking players than anything else. Is that why they added EDI as a squad mate in ME3, just to trick players even more than only Legion could? To me that is more of a slap in the face than almost just having bad endings is... It's like your professor writing questions more aimed at tricking you than they are at seeing if you understand the actual concept. That is what this feels like to me... which is still depressing that they had to take it this direction.

Modifié par SorrowAndJoy7, 12 mars 2012 - 10:14 .

[byne]

cannedcream wrote...

Tamuril24 wrote...
Not sure I want the krogan on the planet......they have like thousands of babies from 1 mother. Could get a little crowded.

Yeah, we would need some kind of honor system with the krogan...

Give the remains of China to the Krogan. Re-institute 1 child policy. Tell future generations this is what chinese people have always looked like.

[FridgeRaider88]

http://postimage.org/image/wleo622sh/

http://postimage.org/image/h01hggz9p/

The defense rests, your honour.

Modifié par FridgeRaider88, 12 mars 2012 - 10:15 .

[Tamuril24]

wryterra wrote...

 Let me be clear: I like this theory. I want this theory to be true. I love the idea that we, the players, have been through the process of indoctrination and in many cases (including mine) fallen for it! It neatly and deftly explains my every fault with the ending. 

Given the options as they were presented I figured my Shepard would be unable to bring herself to kill EDI and the geth and opt for control as the best of all possible outcomes, synthesis being a way (as she saw it) to destroy everything she'd fought for. After reading the theory I thought 'oh God, it worked, my Shepard totally got indoctrinated' and I loved the ending. 

My complaint is simple. If this IS the case, if BioWare have done something that clever, that inspiring and that worthy of acclaim... tell us about it. Make it clear in the cut-scenes that follow. Give us an ending that reveals the indoctrination of Shepard or that she resisted. 

A dialogue box telling me 'Shepard am become legend' does not make me think Shepard was indoctrinated by the Reapers and compromised unintentionally. It tells me 'Yup, that's what happened. No one's going home and the Turians and Quarians are stuck on Earth with nothing to eat so the rest of the species can watch them starve to death. Hooray!'

If BioWare were going for the clever, trick ending then they've tried to be too clever with it and the 'trick' is so good that they look like idiots right now. If they're holding out on a 'reveal', how much of the fanbase will have walked away before the revelation?

I hate to say it but I would crawl back on my hands and knees if they offered a better ending because we were tricked.

[Dilandau3000]

byne wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

Tamuril24 wrote...
Not sure I want the krogan on the planet......they have like thousands of babies from 1 mother. Could get a little crowded.

Yeah, we would need some kind of honor system with the krogan...

Give the remains of China to the Krogan. Re-institute 1 child policy. Tell future generations this is what chinese people have always looked like.

Did the krogan even have any females with them on earth?

[cannedcream]

danvla wrote...

DangerSandler wrote...

I want to continue my romance with Jack. That is all. Bioware, make it happen. Kthxbai

I second that

Swap Jack for Tali and I'm in as well.

[byne]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

byne wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

Tamuril24 wrote...
Not sure I want the krogan on the planet......they have like thousands of babies from 1 mother. Could get a little crowded.

Yeah, we would need some kind of honor system with the krogan...

Give the remains of China to the Krogan. Re-institute 1 child policy. Tell future generations this is what chinese people have always looked like.

Did the krogan even have any females with them on earth?

I'm sure they did. Now that every female is fertile they have no need to protect them. Female krogan used to fight all the time before the genophage.

[Tamuril24]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

byne wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

Tamuril24 wrote...
Not sure I want the krogan on the planet......they have like thousands of babies from 1 mother. Could get a little crowded.

Yeah, we would need some kind of honor system with the krogan...

Give the remains of China to the Krogan. Re-institute 1 child policy. Tell future generations this is what chinese people have always looked like.

Did the krogan even have any females with them on earth?

Not likely, they wouldn't risk any fertile females.

[Joyceee]

wryterra wrote...

 Let me be clear: I like this theory. I want this theory to be true. I love the idea that we, the players, have been through the process of indoctrination and in many cases (including mine) fallen for it! It neatly and deftly explains my every fault with the ending. 

Given the options as they were presented I figured my Shepard would be unable to bring herself to kill EDI and the geth and opt for control as the best of all possible outcomes, synthesis being a way (as she saw it) to destroy everything she'd fought for. After reading the theory I thought 'oh God, it worked, my Shepard totally got indoctrinated' and I loved the ending. 

My complaint is simple. If this IS the case, if BioWare have done something that clever, that inspiring and that worthy of acclaim... tell us about it. Make it clear in the cut-scenes that follow. Give us an ending that reveals the indoctrination of Shepard or that she resisted. 

A dialogue box telling me 'Shepard am become legend' does not make me think Shepard was indoctrinated by the Reapers and compromised unintentionally. It tells me 'Yup, that's what happened. No one's going home and the Turians and Quarians are stuck on Earth with nothing to eat so the rest of the species can watch them starve to death. Hooray!'

If BioWare were going for the clever, trick ending then they've tried to be too clever with it and the 'trick' is so good that they look like idiots right now. If they're holding out on a 'reveal', how much of the fanbase will have walked away before the revelation?

Well said, wryterra! My thoughts exactly. If this is really the case, the endings become so much more! Really something inspiring for the whole genre.

Having said that, it still doesn't change the fact that I'll feel like a complete idiot afterwards. Haha~

Modifié par Joyceee, 12 mars 2012 - 10:15 .

[RiptideX1090]

FridgeRaider88 wrote...

http://postimage.org/image/wleo622sh

http://postimage.org/image/h01hggz9p/

The defense rests, your honour.

As absolutely insane as this theory is, it is... plausible. Definitly plausible.

[BlackAvalon]

FridgeRaider88 wrote...

http://postimage.org/image/wleo622sh/

The defense rests, your honour.

I seem to remember Vega complaining of a humming as well for the record.

Brilliant discussion people, keep it up. I like it. c:

[TobiTobsen]

BlackAvalon wrote...

FridgeRaider88 wrote...

http://postimage.org/image/wleo622sh/

The defense rests, your honour.

I seem to remember Vega complaining of a humming as well for the record.

Brilliant discussion people, keep it up. I like it. c:

Yup... one of his idle conversations. The first thing I thought was "indoctrination" when he said it.

[Little Lummo]

Tamuril24 wrote...

wryterra wrote...

 Let me be clear: I like this theory. I want this theory to be true. I love the idea that we, the players, have been through the process of indoctrination and in many cases (including mine) fallen for it! It neatly and deftly explains my every fault with the ending. 

Given the options as they were presented I figured my Shepard would be unable to bring herself to kill EDI and the geth and opt for control as the best of all possible outcomes, synthesis being a way (as she saw it) to destroy everything she'd fought for. After reading the theory I thought 'oh God, it worked, my Shepard totally got indoctrinated' and I loved the ending. 

My complaint is simple. If this IS the case, if BioWare have done something that clever, that inspiring and that worthy of acclaim... tell us about it. Make it clear in the cut-scenes that follow. Give us an ending that reveals the indoctrination of Shepard or that she resisted. 

A dialogue box telling me 'Shepard am become legend' does not make me think Shepard was indoctrinated by the Reapers and compromised unintentionally. It tells me 'Yup, that's what happened. No one's going home and the Turians and Quarians are stuck on Earth with nothing to eat so the rest of the species can watch them starve to death. Hooray!'

If BioWare were going for the clever, trick ending then they've tried to be too clever with it and the 'trick' is so good that they look like idiots right now. If they're holding out on a 'reveal', how much of the fanbase will have walked away before the revelation?

I hate to say it but I would crawl back on my hands and knees if they offered a better ending because we were tricked.

So would I... This game is worth it. I cant stand not knowing what happened to my squadmates and everybody around Earth and i want to see something with my LI, like we go find Kaidans parents in Vancouver or something! 

One of the biggest questions i still have is why on earth was the Normany flying AWAY from Earth? And somehow James\\Kaidan who i had with me in London magically made their way back onto it?!

[Sl4sh3r]

FridgeRaider88 wrote...

http://postimage.org/image/wleo622sh/

http://postimage.org/image/h01hggz9p/

The defense rests, your honour.

Yeah, I posted a vid earlier with the complete explaination of Indoctrination. It really seems like he is being indoctrinated.

But that still means that BW lied to us...

/sadpanda

[Elmogaming]

BlackAvalon wrote...

FridgeRaider88 wrote...

http://postimage.org/image/wleo622sh/

The defense rests, your honour.

I seem to remember Vega complaining of a humming as well for the record.

Brilliant discussion people, keep it up. I like it. c:

Furthermore the "God Child" tries to tell sheapard destroying all the reapers was a bad idea... and lets not forget the "God child" Talks about the reapers As "Us"... obviously harbinger