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Ravel1992 wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Everyone step back for a minute, calm down and watch the epicness that is this video:







Speaking about crossovers:

Spiral Effect


Epic music, epic game, epic anime, very epic anime.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

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Somewhat unrelated but i just saw the stats of my gallery..
Why does sad Shepard have more views than Blue Baby?

Unacceptable.


Because Shep is much cooler than blue Babys and not everyone likes Asari ;)


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I'll admit that seeeing liara in that romance seen weirded me out a little. The scales are a big turn off. But I got over it eventually.



yeah whats up with that? when did she get scales????????

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Iconoclaste wrote...
Behave or get lost.

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Remain polite or I'll quickly report you this time.


That's twice in 2 pages that you've threatened to report someone, and with very little reason either time. Threats are no way to engender a civil discussion. If you can't take a tiny little bit of criticism, then I'd suggest the internet might not be the place for you.

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Iconoclaste wrote...

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Relying on statistics, we should not fly planes because there will be accidents.


Actually, when weighed against our lifespans, we will NOT be killed in planes. The risk is minimal.

Seriously, if you want to argue great, but understand the basic principle first.

Behave or get lost.

You could get killed on your first flight, there is nothing the statistics could prove against that.


No, nothing could, but you're missing the point. I'll make the example more relatable.

How many times have you gone skydiving? Not that many, I bet. That's because most peop,e weigh up the chance of being killed skydiving against the thrill, and decide the odds aren't worth it. Skydiving is suitably dangerous that we can see the odds effect our judgement.

Now, to go back to the plane. (no real statistics here, this is purely illustrative). If the odds of dying on a plane were one in ten, how many plane rides would you take? You might die on the first, but it's unlikely. How about the second? the third? How about the 578,321st? Exactly when do you stop playing the odds? Reason tella us once you pass 10 you're on borrowed time. It's the same for the Reapers, the numbers are just MUCH MUCH bigger.

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RADIUMEYEZ wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

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The starchild's logic makes perfect sense if you actually listen to what he explicitly states. The Reapers do not kill every organic lifeform but only ADVANCED ENOUGH civilizations. This means that the galaxy with 12 simple civs + 4 advanced civs (a total of 16 civs) is left with 12 simple civs (a total of 12 civs) after the purge to develop for the next Reaper invasion.


Oh. My God. I... You... Oh my GOD.


Aha. That's an extremely comprehensive answer. But unfortunately I cannot comprehend the magnitude of its meaning.


But how does it make sense that a race of synthetic organisms is stopping by destroying us so we do not create synthetic organisms that will "maybe" eventually destroy us? And if this logic does make sense then why don't the reapers just destroy the synthetics and stop us from making sythentics by limiting our technological advances somehow? But what if the synthetics live past the cycle and kill off the simpler civilizations? Also if the reapers want to stop synthetics why do they help the Geth at all? Also in the first cycle were the reapers created as a synthetic organism to help the leading species in that cycle? And if that is the case doesn't that mean that the reapers did exactly what they are trying to stop in the first place? Also why is the star child living on the citadel? Where did he come from? How did he create the reapers?


Well, all your questions are irrelevant. I was only concerned with the logic of starkid's statement (whether it's paradoxical or not). In my opinion it is not. I do not attempt here moral or "common sense" evaluation of his reasoning (whether it's the right or wrong choice).

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Sammuthegreat wrote...

 

Iconoclaste wrote...
Behave or get lost.

Iconoclaste wrote...
Remain polite or I'll quickly report you this time.


That's twice in 2 pages that you've threatened to report someone, and with very little reason either time. Threats are no way to engender a civil discussion. If you can't take a tiny little bit of criticism, then I'd suggest the internet might not be the place for you.

That is not your concern. Those are warnings , I have the right to respect like anyone else here, and there are rules to these forums. You are not the one applying them, so I'll refer you to the sticky thread on main page.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 20 avril 2012 - 06:08 .


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n00bsauce2010 wrote...

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*snip*

The most compelling evidence in regards to that warning is that it is used NOWHERE else. It completely shreds the "Bioware is lazy" argument most people use to dispel IT. They made it specifically for that scene and that close up. Why?


We're 100% positive this warning sign can not be found anywhere else in the game?


This is the only time I've seen a vent in the game. It would make sense that if this label were for vents then we wouldn't see it anymore.


The problem I have is that people are saying that Bioware specifically put that sticker there to show that the vent itself was dangerous. Due to housing electrical wires, fans and such. But why even put that there? Why would we care if the vent was dangerous or not? If there goal was to make it realistic.. why would there be a need to a danger sign next to an open vent...a vent that should be closed and prevented from being opened at all (if the technology is so amazing)

Not to mention it's at exactly crawling height ;0 Who the hell puts an electrified vent that low down without a cover. Also, what the hell is an electrified vent? :P

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Rksmithers wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Somewhat unrelated but i just saw the stats of my gallery..
Why does sad Shepard have more views than Blue Baby?

Unacceptable.


Because Shep is much cooler than blue Babys and not everyone likes Asari ;)


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I'll admit that seeeing liara in that romance seen weirded me out a little. The scales are a big turn off. But I got over it eventually.



yeah whats up with that? when did she get scales????????


I'm dissappointed.. you know the answer... Space Magic !

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balance5050 wrote...

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SS2Dante wrote...



If, when asking a woman out and she said no, there was a one in 5 possibility you would die, right there of a heart attack, how many women would you ask out? It's all about weighing RISK against the consequences, The reapers have one shot at this, essentially, since we don't know how often organic life springs into eexistance. So if ANYTHING goes wrong, that;s it. Game over.


I think I would still ask women out. The pros out weight the cons. Same with AI. .


"If you don't go out with me there is a 1 in 5 chance you will explode". GIRLS WILL GO OUT WITH YOU.


I MUST USE THAT LINE

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Starkid maybe the Shepard of some distant cycle who took control of the reapers.

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n00bsauce2010 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...



If, when asking a woman out and she said no, there was a one in 5 possibility you would die, right there of a heart attack, how many women would you ask out? It's all about weighing RISK against the consequences, The reapers have one shot at this, essentially, since we don't know how often organic life springs into eexistance. So if ANYTHING goes wrong, that;s it. Game over.


I think I would still ask women out. The pros out weight the cons. Same with AI. .


"If you don't go out with me there is a 1 in 5 chance you will explode". GIRLS WILL GO OUT WITH YOU.


There are already enough risks with dating... don't make me have to think about dieing of a heart attack too.

What exact point are you trying to make dante?


The point I was trying to make is that no matter how small the odds are of synthetics destroying organics, the Reapers live (essentially) for ever. Therefore it WILL happen, eventually. They don't get another shot after that, so they have to intervene. People aren't taking the lifespan into account.

it' like this rather neat video of Dawkins. he gets someone to correctly predict the outcome of a coint toss 8 times (unlikely). But because of the odds, you see that it's not just likely, it's absolutely CERTAIN that it'll happen, every single time. Here

 

The low odds must be weighed against how many times it can happen.

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Iconoclaste wrote...
That is not your concern. Those are warnings , I have the right to respect like anyone else here, and there are rules to these forums. You are not the one applying them, so I'll refer you to the sticky thread on main page.


...What? I'm not applying forum rules? I'm not even one of the people you originally "warned", so I can only assume you mean I posted off-topic... which you have just done too. I'm confused. Please enlighten me.

To be honest, I think if I see someone threatening to report other users for harmless posts, it's absolutely my concern.

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Drell Baby and me are watching you, people. WATCHING YOU.
youtu.be/JjSDrDykFns

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balance5050 wrote...

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It's not an excuse for an answer; it's an answer. if you can't take yourself out of your own head then fine.

I didn't state the Geth were agrressors, I stated that if in the first war the Quarians hadn't ran then they'd be dead. it doesn't matter WHO the agressor is, the result is war. That also covers my EDI mistake (although, the military disagrees with who provoked that one. Since EDI was being "born" at the time, I'm not sure who has the best view on that :P )

The statement about chosen races still applies. Destroyers seem to be a sub class of Reaper. once again, this is SPECULATION.

By your own statement what we have here is a LACK of knowledge, not knowledge. I can't judge starchilds logic based on incomplete information, and if you think you can, well...


The result is war whether it's synthetics or organics. It doesn't matter who the Geth were, if they were under attack they have the right to defend themselves same as anyone.

You're letting the reapers make you think that it's a war between synthetics and organics.
It's a war between EVERYONE and the Reapers.

EDI
Legion
The GETH

All synthetics.

Organics kill organics
Organics kill synthetics

Synthetics kill organics
Synthetics kill synthetics

We aren't that much different from them because we are all against the reapers.

To think that synthetics will act a certain way because starbrat says so is racist and prejudiced.


...what are you talking about? I'm not saying synthetics are more likely to cause war :S In fact, as far as I'm concerned the Quarians were a bunch of idiots who treated a very kind people horribly. It is NOT a war of synthetics versus organics. (unless you count the reapers but theyre neither so).

My point was that due to the inherent predjudice of people, whether synthetic or organic, war is a strong possibility when AI is first made, due to civil rights issues. People either try to restrict the Ai, so war, or the AI will see people as inferior, so war. Coexistence is absolutely another possibilty.

I don't think you're understanding my reasoning here :S

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Did you see this great movie?

Where's the scene at 0:10 from?

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paxxton wrote...

Did you see this great movie?

Where's the scene at 0:10 from?


Flashback from Jarvik's memory/memory stick. How the war was for the Protheans.

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lex0r11 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Did you see this great movie?

Where's the scene at 0:10 from?


Flashback from Jarvik's memory/memory stick. How the war was for the Protheans.


Thanks! I'll have to play From Ashes. Seems important to the story.

Modifié par paxxton, 20 avril 2012 - 06:40 .


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Sammuthegreat wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...
That is not your concern. Those are warnings , I have the right to respect like anyone else here, and there are rules to these forums. You are not the one applying them, so I'll refer you to the sticky thread on main page.


...What? I'm not applying forum rules? I'm not even one of the people you originally "warned", so I can only assume you mean I posted off-topic... which you have just done too. I'm confused. Please enlighten me.

To be honest, I think if I see someone threatening to report other users for harmless posts, it's absolutely my concern.


Is threatening to report someone a threat? :P

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SS2Dante wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...
That is not your concern. Those are warnings , I have the right to respect like anyone else here, and there are rules to these forums. You are not the one applying them, so I'll refer you to the sticky thread on main page.


...What? I'm not applying forum rules? I'm not even one of the people you originally "warned", so I can only assume you mean I posted off-topic... which you have just done too. I'm confused. Please enlighten me.

To be honest, I think if I see someone threatening to report other users for harmless posts, it's absolutely my concern.


Is threatening to report someone a threat? :P


Er... yeah. :huh:

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Sammuthegreat wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...
That is not your concern. Those are warnings , I have the right to respect like anyone else here, and there are rules to these forums. You are not the one applying them, so I'll refer you to the sticky thread on main page.


...What? I'm not applying forum rules? I'm not even one of the people you originally "warned", so I can only assume you mean I posted off-topic... which you have just done too. I'm confused. Please enlighten me.

To be honest, I think if I see someone threatening to report other users for harmless posts, it's absolutely my concern.


Is threatening to report someone a threat? :P


Er... yeah. :huh:


I'm sure we can Inception-ise this somehow...:P

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Don't feed the trolls.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Don't feed the trolls.

State your opinion clearly, so we can see what you mean.

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...aaaaand just like that, the thread has ground to a halt.

Quick! Someone find something IT-related to talk about!

EDIT: I missed out on the discussion about each class' strengths from about 20 pages ago. I play Vanguard in single-player, and can agree with (I think) byne's assertion that being a Vanguard is basically easy mode. Charge + Nova rock.

I've been away for a couple of months (still am) so haven't been able to play ME3 since I finished it (day before I left). I really want to play some multiplayer; any specific classes people can recommend? I generally prefer using powers to weapons if possible (otherwise we might as well all be Soldiers really), and the only class I've ever promoted was a human Adept. Singularity Warp bombs are awesome.

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Sammuthegreat wrote...

...aaaaand just like that, the thread has ground to a halt.

Quick! Someone find something IT-related to talk about!


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Discuss.

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Sammuthegreat wrote...

...aaaaand just like that, the thread has ground to a halt.

Quick! Someone find something IT-related to talk about!


IT ROCKS!

...nah, the last thing I'd noticed was the electrical hatches from the normandy in the crucible room. Also during a specific point in the convo with TIM some music plays that sounds like it's from ME1. i'll have to go back and double check, but...