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[Stegoceras]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Stegoceras wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

They're even files of Anderson saying either several reapers, several soverign class reapers and server sovereign class reapser including harbinger broke off their battle with sword and are headed here.

There's a possibility that harbinger never makes it to earth. I remember seeing that Leaked plot point chart for ME3. It was true and Bioware either took it out of the game or changed it!

I'm pretty sure this line was in the game just before the beam charge. Unless you mean it is a longer version of said line.

there are three distinctive versions of the same line. We only hear one of them in the game. Harbinger always makes it to earth no matter what EMS you have.

Yeah, wasn't sure of it myself, but I knew I heard about harbinger making it to earth, so I decided to look on youtube and see what I could find:
Clip 1 at around 10:10 in, no mention of Harbinger
Clip 2 at around 1:17 in, Harbinger is mentioned

So apparently they did make it in, what the requirements are, who knows. Maybe even a difference in game version, who knows.

[Sammuthegreat]

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

WTFUNK??

I was going through the audio files. and found this.

end001_final_run_trouble_c_D_Int.14.ogg

Let me say that everything previous to this are the sounds of the radio chatter that occurs as you wake up after you get hit by Harby.

What's so special about this file? Well It's Anderson speaking to....JOKER!

He says Joker, great timing! The rest are small parts of Joker talking to Anderson.

Joker: "Ah late to the party but the girls are coming with me. Now get the hell on there so we can end this."

Joker: "That was for Cortez!"

Then I scrolled up a bit and after the banter, A man Scream go fall back get out of here. He sounds like Shepard! He told his squad mates to go before the beam hit him.

I guarantee you this is how it will go. EC was planned but probably was not going to be free.

Well well, Epyonx. Do I sense that you've been converted? 

In fairness though, this isn't new. Check it out.

Interesting how the second one says that Shepard wakes up with a bit of metal sticking through his leg. In the breath scene, it's always looked to me like there's a bit of metal rebar (NOTE: NOT REAPER CABLE. I HAVE NEVER BELIEVED THIS) sticking through his leg...

I don't think Epyon was ever a believer

yeah, the bit where we get a fraction of a glimpse of blood n stuff? Suppose we havent' really analysed that.

Not a firm believer no. To me this just takes more away from the theory. If the implement this and don't change the ending, then everything that was missing will be explained.

My god, if Bioware had just stuck to the original script, we wouldn't be doing this right now.

Takes more away? How so? Surely the fact that there was actual content in place, where the end clearly didn't involve Anderson and squadmates and the Normandy teleporting, is a sign that what we got isn't the full story?

But yes, if BioWare had just stuck to the plan, we'd all be happy. Assuming StarBrat is actually Harbinger. I think it's perhaps a bit much to assume that BioWare changed the endings entirely because of a leak though. It's not worth changing several years' worth of planning just to avoid a few spoilers.

Besides, given how much emphasis BioWare put on artistic integrity, it seems unlikely they'd even be willing to deviate from their original script...

[EpyonX3]

Stegoceras wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Stegoceras wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

They're even files of Anderson saying either several reapers, several soverign class reapers and server sovereign class reapser including harbinger broke off their battle with sword and are headed here.

There's a possibility that harbinger never makes it to earth. I remember seeing that Leaked plot point chart for ME3. It was true and Bioware either took it out of the game or changed it!

I'm pretty sure this line was in the game just before the beam charge. Unless you mean it is a longer version of said line.

there are three distinctive versions of the same line. We only hear one of them in the game. Harbinger always makes it to earth no matter what EMS you have.

Yeah, wasn't sure of it myself, but I knew I heard about harbinger making it to earth, so I decided to look on youtube and see what I could find:
Clip 1 at around 10:10 in, no mention of Harbinger
Clip 2 at around 1:17 in, Harbinger is mentioned

So apparently they did make it in, what the requirements are, who knows. Maybe even a difference in game version, who knows.

I stand corrected. Still kind of hints at what could have been.

[LumbercracK]

SS2Dante wrote...

LumbercracK wrote...

The reality is thusfar. either
1-IT is real. Bioware has lied to us. The ending is completely false. They punish players who trust them and EC will **** your game up because now what.

Honestly i dont pick destroy because im a geth sympathizer. Does IT mean i fail because i dont agree with the idea of killing synthetic life?

2- IT was not intended and is a result of very poor focus to detail in the final scenes followed by an unsatisfactory ending. This happens allot with big works. Harry Potter had a theory about Neville longbottom being the true hero. If bioware ever caves into IT then it will ruin the series as it is an adjustment to the story to explain things that shouldnt be there. It doesnt make the story better at all. All it does is Remove the ending and replace it with absence.

For refrence lets take a look at a random example. Neon Genesis Evangellion. The end takes place in the heros mind. The following sequel movies are so disjointed and confusing that noone really knows what is going on. It has been the subject for debate for the longest time. Finally The have begun remaking the entire thing to "Clarify" the story.

IT doesnt fix mass effect it just breaks all the inconsistencies off and leaves an unfinished work.

IT does not "punish you". It gives you a chance to understand how indoctrination happens by experiencing it first hand. The game will presumably let you load up your last save before the crucible for the EC.

Furthermore, IT is not all about the final scenes. The "poor attention to detail" you reference cannot be the case because they had to put more work in to get the game to appear as it does than they would have when being lazy. I can't be bothered going into the full argument, I'm sure others will.

Finally, your point about Harry Potter? That's because the prophecy COULD have referred to Neville, so if Voldemort had killed NEVILLES parents instead of Harry's then killing Voldemort would be on Neville, not Harry. Voldemort did not pick Neville, so that's not the case, hence people saying the books COULD have been about Neville.

9/10 issues cited as questions over wether the world we see is real can be explained by laziness or misscare. 
See:
anderson entering second ariving first
only one path but 2 seperate halls are mentioned
shep bleeding then not 
anderson in perfect shape
the lack of depth in the starchild scene

everything else does have a purpose and would be looked over if the ending was liked.
Unlimited ammo
odd visual effects
TIM's appearance

IT does punish me. It says that if i care about the geth i lose, if i dont i win. that is not a message about how indoctrination works. 

[SS2Dante]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

WTFUNK??

I was going through the audio files. and found this.

end001_final_run_trouble_c_D_Int.14.ogg

Let me say that everything previous to this are the sounds of the radio chatter that occurs as you wake up after you get hit by Harby.

What's so special about this file? Well It's Anderson speaking to....JOKER!

He says Joker, great timing! The rest are small parts of Joker talking to Anderson.

Joker: "Ah late to the party but the girls are coming with me. Now get the hell on there so we can end this."

Joker: "That was for Cortez!"

Then I scrolled up a bit and after the banter, A man Scream go fall back get out of here. He sounds like Shepard! He told his squad mates to go before the beam hit him.

I guarantee you this is how it will go. EC was planned but probably was not going to be free.

Well well, Epyonx. Do I sense that you've been converted? 

In fairness though, this isn't new. Check it out.

Interesting how the second one says that Shepard wakes up with a bit of metal sticking through his leg. In the breath scene, it's always looked to me like there's a bit of metal rebar (NOTE: NOT REAPER CABLE. I HAVE NEVER BELIEVED THIS) sticking through his leg...

I don't think Epyon was ever a believer

yeah, the bit where we get a fraction of a glimpse of blood n stuff? Suppose we havent' really analysed that.

Not a firm believer no. To me this just takes more away from the theory. If the implement this and don't change the ending, then everything that was missing will be explained.

My god, if Bioware had just stuck to the original script, we wouldn't be doing this right now.

Takes more away? How so? Surely the fact that there was actual content in place, where the end clearly didn't involve Anderson and squadmates and the Normandy teleporting, is a sign that what we got isn't the full story?

But yes, if BioWare had just stuck to the plan, we'd all be happy. Assuming StarBrat is actually Harbinger. I think it's perhaps a bit much to assume that BioWare changed the endings entirely because of a leak though. It's not worth changing several years' worth of planning just to avoid a few spoilers.

Besides, given how much emphasis BioWare put on artistic integrity, it seems unlikely they'd even be willing to deviate from their original script...

Ah, but then you could say that the stuff that was pulled out explains all the weirdness. That's why when I first saw this I agreed that it took away from the theory.

Ok, I just saw the original script for this part and now I dont know what to think. It fits well with IT as it is and literal if you assume some other stuff was removed. What strikes me as is that you always get knocked out by the beam, and wake up, ala red ending. Um.

However. Why are those sound files left in? How common is leaving in assets you don't use? Surely not very common, especially when trying to save disk space?

Right, piece of metal through the leg. If we can sync these up we have an answer.

[EpyonX3]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

WTFUNK??

I was going through the audio files. and found this.

end001_final_run_trouble_c_D_Int.14.ogg

Let me say that everything previous to this are the sounds of the radio chatter that occurs as you wake up after you get hit by Harby.

What's so special about this file? Well It's Anderson speaking to....JOKER!

He says Joker, great timing! The rest are small parts of Joker talking to Anderson.

Joker: "Ah late to the party but the girls are coming with me. Now get the hell on there so we can end this."

Joker: "That was for Cortez!"

Then I scrolled up a bit and after the banter, A man Scream go fall back get out of here. He sounds like Shepard! He told his squad mates to go before the beam hit him.

I guarantee you this is how it will go. EC was planned but probably was not going to be free.

Well well, Epyonx. Do I sense that you've been converted? 

In fairness though, this isn't new. Check it out.

Interesting how the second one says that Shepard wakes up with a bit of metal sticking through his leg. In the breath scene, it's always looked to me like there's a bit of metal rebar (NOTE: NOT REAPER CABLE. I HAVE NEVER BELIEVED THIS) sticking through his leg...

I don't think Epyon was ever a believer

yeah, the bit where we get a fraction of a glimpse of blood n stuff? Suppose we havent' really analysed that.

Not a firm believer no. To me this just takes more away from the theory. If the implement this and don't change the ending, then everything that was missing will be explained.

My god, if Bioware had just stuck to the original script, we wouldn't be doing this right now.

Takes more away? How so? Surely the fact that there was actual content in place, where the end clearly didn't involve Anderson and squadmates and the Normandy teleporting, is a sign that what we got isn't the full story?

But yes, if BioWare had just stuck to the plan, we'd all be happy. Assuming StarBrat is actually Harbinger. I think it's perhaps a bit much to assume that BioWare changed the endings entirely because of a leak though. It's not worth changing several years' worth of planning just to avoid a few spoilers.

Besides, given how much emphasis BioWare put on artistic integrity, it seems unlikely they'd even be willing to deviate from their original script...

Content being there before and not now helps both sides. But if that content explains how Joker got your crew then it makes the planet scene plausible.

They won't have to deviate from the script at all. Joker lands somewhere with your crew, this implies that he went back to earth to get them.

Showing Joker actually picking them up won't change that.

[SS2Dante]

LumbercracK wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

LumbercracK wrote...

The reality is thusfar. either
1-IT is real. Bioware has lied to us. The ending is completely false. They punish players who trust them and EC will **** your game up because now what.

Honestly i dont pick destroy because im a geth sympathizer. Does IT mean i fail because i dont agree with the idea of killing synthetic life?

2- IT was not intended and is a result of very poor focus to detail in the final scenes followed by an unsatisfactory ending. This happens allot with big works. Harry Potter had a theory about Neville longbottom being the true hero. If bioware ever caves into IT then it will ruin the series as it is an adjustment to the story to explain things that shouldnt be there. It doesnt make the story better at all. All it does is Remove the ending and replace it with absence.

For refrence lets take a look at a random example. Neon Genesis Evangellion. The end takes place in the heros mind. The following sequel movies are so disjointed and confusing that noone really knows what is going on. It has been the subject for debate for the longest time. Finally The have begun remaking the entire thing to "Clarify" the story.

IT doesnt fix mass effect it just breaks all the inconsistencies off and leaves an unfinished work.

IT does not "punish you". It gives you a chance to understand how indoctrination happens by experiencing it first hand. The game will presumably let you load up your last save before the crucible for the EC.

Furthermore, IT is not all about the final scenes. The "poor attention to detail" you reference cannot be the case because they had to put more work in to get the game to appear as it does than they would have when being lazy. I can't be bothered going into the full argument, I'm sure others will.

Finally, your point about Harry Potter? That's because the prophecy COULD have referred to Neville, so if Voldemort had killed NEVILLES parents instead of Harry's then killing Voldemort would be on Neville, not Harry. Voldemort did not pick Neville, so that's not the case, hence people saying the books COULD have been about Neville.

9/10 issues cited as questions over wether the world we see is real can be explained by laziness or misscare. 
See:
anderson entering second ariving first
only one path but 2 seperate halls are mentioned
shep bleeding then not 
anderson in perfect shape
the lack of depth in the starchild scene

everything else does have a purpose and would be looked over if the ending was liked.
Unlimited ammo
odd visual effects
TIM's appearance

IT does punish me. It says that if i care about the geth i lose, if i dont i win. that is not a message about how indoctrination works. 

Yes it is. that's exactly how indoctrination works. it makes you think you're doing the right thing.

EDIT - that's why people can't fight it, becuase they don't know it's happening. if you knew you were being indoctrinated it could never get a hold of you.

EDIT - OMG once EC comes out if we don't look at spoilers the final choice is gonna tear you apart. Pick synthesis and if it's IT you'rekilling all the geth. pick destroy and it's NOT IT and you're killing all the geth. Good luck with that

Modifié par SS2Dante, 20 avril 2012 - 08:27 .

[LumbercracK]

SS2Dante wrote...

LumbercracK wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

LumbercracK wrote...

The reality is thusfar. either
1-IT is real. Bioware has lied to us. The ending is completely false. They punish players who trust them and EC will **** your game up because now what.

Honestly i dont pick destroy because im a geth sympathizer. Does IT mean i fail because i dont agree with the idea of killing synthetic life?

2- IT was not intended and is a result of very poor focus to detail in the final scenes followed by an unsatisfactory ending. This happens allot with big works. Harry Potter had a theory about Neville longbottom being the true hero. If bioware ever caves into IT then it will ruin the series as it is an adjustment to the story to explain things that shouldnt be there. It doesnt make the story better at all. All it does is Remove the ending and replace it with absence.

For refrence lets take a look at a random example. Neon Genesis Evangellion. The end takes place in the heros mind. The following sequel movies are so disjointed and confusing that noone really knows what is going on. It has been the subject for debate for the longest time. Finally The have begun remaking the entire thing to "Clarify" the story.

IT doesnt fix mass effect it just breaks all the inconsistencies off and leaves an unfinished work.

IT does not "punish you". It gives you a chance to understand how indoctrination happens by experiencing it first hand. The game will presumably let you load up your last save before the crucible for the EC.

Furthermore, IT is not all about the final scenes. The "poor attention to detail" you reference cannot be the case because they had to put more work in to get the game to appear as it does than they would have when being lazy. I can't be bothered going into the full argument, I'm sure others will.

Finally, your point about Harry Potter? That's because the prophecy COULD have referred to Neville, so if Voldemort had killed NEVILLES parents instead of Harry's then killing Voldemort would be on Neville, not Harry. Voldemort did not pick Neville, so that's not the case, hence people saying the books COULD have been about Neville.

9/10 issues cited as questions over wether the world we see is real can be explained by laziness or misscare. 
See:
anderson entering second ariving first
only one path but 2 seperate halls are mentioned
shep bleeding then not 
anderson in perfect shape
the lack of depth in the starchild scene

everything else does have a purpose and would be looked over if the ending was liked.
Unlimited ammo
odd visual effects
TIM's appearance

IT does punish me. It says that if i care about the geth i lose, if i dont i win. that is not a message about how indoctrination works. 

Yes it is. that's exactly how indoctrination works. it makes you think you're doing the right thing.

thats a terrible answer buddy.
What if my love interest is tali so i doom the geth. What if i hate synthetics. What if i just dont care. Am i immune to indoctrination because i like machines?

I'd buy it if the destroy option always destroys earth. Then its a question of wether or not i believe earth will die. then the machine is preying on exactly what i am trying to do. Save earth. without that specifically it just doesnt work.

IT punishes those who like synthetics and is a free ride for those who dont care. its a terrible story. It's be as if ME2 kills you if you romance Miranda.

[SS2Dante]

magnetite wrote...

Couple other things I noticed. The railing on the citadel look similar to those on Tuchanka. They looked like planetary defense cannons.



Oh and when the Citadel arms opened after you used the console, you were exposed to the cold vacuum of space. So in real life, when the Citadel opened, you'd be sucked out into space. Not grounded to the floor.

Something even weirder about those things I don't think we've ever discussed - they're antennas, aren't they? Man, even in ME1 they weren't being used right. There's some ****** builder meandering around the citadel using antennas instead of walls

[LumbercracK]

ss2 you just proved my point. the so called strugle really only affects a small portion of people geth lovers
ergo it is a terrible ending that punishes a small section of people for being themselves

[SS2Dante]

LumbercracK wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

LumbercracK wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

LumbercracK wrote...

The reality is thusfar. either
1-IT is real. Bioware has lied to us. The ending is completely false. They punish players who trust them and EC will **** your game up because now what.

Honestly i dont pick destroy because im a geth sympathizer. Does IT mean i fail because i dont agree with the idea of killing synthetic life?

2- IT was not intended and is a result of very poor focus to detail in the final scenes followed by an unsatisfactory ending. This happens allot with big works. Harry Potter had a theory about Neville longbottom being the true hero. If bioware ever caves into IT then it will ruin the series as it is an adjustment to the story to explain things that shouldnt be there. It doesnt make the story better at all. All it does is Remove the ending and replace it with absence.

For refrence lets take a look at a random example. Neon Genesis Evangellion. The end takes place in the heros mind. The following sequel movies are so disjointed and confusing that noone really knows what is going on. It has been the subject for debate for the longest time. Finally The have begun remaking the entire thing to "Clarify" the story.

IT doesnt fix mass effect it just breaks all the inconsistencies off and leaves an unfinished work.

IT does not "punish you". It gives you a chance to understand how indoctrination happens by experiencing it first hand. The game will presumably let you load up your last save before the crucible for the EC.

Furthermore, IT is not all about the final scenes. The "poor attention to detail" you reference cannot be the case because they had to put more work in to get the game to appear as it does than they would have when being lazy. I can't be bothered going into the full argument, I'm sure others will.

Finally, your point about Harry Potter? That's because the prophecy COULD have referred to Neville, so if Voldemort had killed NEVILLES parents instead of Harry's then killing Voldemort would be on Neville, not Harry. Voldemort did not pick Neville, so that's not the case, hence people saying the books COULD have been about Neville.

9/10 issues cited as questions over wether the world we see is real can be explained by laziness or misscare. 
See:
anderson entering second ariving first
only one path but 2 seperate halls are mentioned
shep bleeding then not 
anderson in perfect shape
the lack of depth in the starchild scene

everything else does have a purpose and would be looked over if the ending was liked.
Unlimited ammo
odd visual effects
TIM's appearance

IT does punish me. It says that if i care about the geth i lose, if i dont i win. that is not a message about how indoctrination works. 

Yes it is. that's exactly how indoctrination works. it makes you think you're doing the right thing.

thats a terrible answer buddy.
What if my love interest is tali so i doom the geth. What if i hate synthetics. What if i just dont care. Am i immune to indoctrination because i like machines?

I'd buy it if the destroy option always destroys earth. Then its a question of wether or not i believe earth will die. then the machine is preying on exactly what i am trying to do. Save earth. without that specifically it just doesnt work.

IT punishes those who like synthetics and is a free ride for those who dont care. its a terrible story. It's be as if ME2 kills you if you romance Miranda.

The geth are portrayed as a sympathetic race, as is EDI. I haven't heard a single person yet who chose destroy because they truely liked the outcome. 

Besides, "not caring" people would pick synthesis. It's easier. Straight forward walk, everyones happy. The only reason NOT to pick it is if you don't trust the starchild, which put's you in the IT camp.

[SS2Dante]

LumbercracK wrote...

ss2 you just proved my point. the so called strugle really only affects a small portion of people geth lovers
ergo it is a terrible ending that punishes a small section of people for being themselves

I don't...are you trolling? Maybe? i don't know.

[SS2Dante]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

WTFUNK??

I was going through the audio files. and found this.

end001_final_run_trouble_c_D_Int.14.ogg

Let me say that everything previous to this are the sounds of the radio chatter that occurs as you wake up after you get hit by Harby.

What's so special about this file? Well It's Anderson speaking to....JOKER!

He says Joker, great timing! The rest are small parts of Joker talking to Anderson.

Joker: "Ah late to the party but the girls are coming with me. Now get the hell on there so we can end this."

Joker: "That was for Cortez!"

Then I scrolled up a bit and after the banter, A man Scream go fall back get out of here. He sounds like Shepard! He told his squad mates to go before the beam hit him.

I guarantee you this is how it will go. EC was planned but probably was not going to be free.

Well well, Epyonx. Do I sense that you've been converted? 

In fairness though, this isn't new. Check it out.

Interesting how the second one says that Shepard wakes up with a bit of metal sticking through his leg. In the breath scene, it's always looked to me like there's a bit of metal rebar (NOTE: NOT REAPER CABLE. I HAVE NEVER BELIEVED THIS) sticking through his leg...

I don't think Epyon was ever a believer

yeah, the bit where we get a fraction of a glimpse of blood n stuff? Suppose we havent' really analysed that.

Not a firm believer no. To me this just takes more away from the theory. If the implement this and don't change the ending, then everything that was missing will be explained.

My god, if Bioware had just stuck to the original script, we wouldn't be doing this right now.

Takes more away? How so? Surely the fact that there was actual content in place, where the end clearly didn't involve Anderson and squadmates and the Normandy teleporting, is a sign that what we got isn't the full story?

But yes, if BioWare had just stuck to the plan, we'd all be happy. Assuming StarBrat is actually Harbinger. I think it's perhaps a bit much to assume that BioWare changed the endings entirely because of a leak though. It's not worth changing several years' worth of planning just to avoid a few spoilers.

Besides, given how much emphasis BioWare put on artistic integrity, it seems unlikely they'd even be willing to deviate from their original script...

Content being there before and not now helps both sides. But if that content explains how Joker got your crew then it makes the planet scene plausible.

They won't have to deviate from the script at all. Joker lands somewhere with your crew, this implies that he went back to earth to get them.

Showing Joker actually picking them up won't change that.

Agreed. Essentially, the question is - did they put in a sequence after you're knocked out by Harbinger? Or does it jump straight to the ending they'd already planned? Ah....

[Tirian Thorn]

LumbercracK wrote...

thats a terrible answer buddy.
What if my love interest is tali so i doom the geth. What if i hate synthetics. What if i just dont care. Am i immune to indoctrination because i like machines?

I'd buy it if the destroy option always destroys earth. Then its a question of wether or not i believe earth will die. then the machine is preying on exactly what i am trying to do. Save earth. without that specifically it just doesnt work.

IT punishes those who like synthetics and is a free ride for those who dont care. its a terrible story. It's be as if ME2 kills you if you romance Miranda.

My take. 

Under IT picking Destroy is the way you break free from Indoctrination or at least resist it.  It doesn't mean those events that took place while fighting IT actually took place. 

After you resist - you wake up in London and actually finish the mission.  Fight Harbinger, etc. 

If you choose Control/Synthesis then Shepard becomes fully indoctrinated and a wholly different set of events take place.  Perhaps the rest of squad will have to finish the mission without Shepard. 

In my opinion the reason the Star Child tells you that destroy will kill all synthetics is so it is an option that you won't pick.  The Star Child makes control & synthesis seem like the better options. 

It's a common scare tactic.  Start off with an unreasonable solution that almost no one would ever agree to, then present a solution that negatively impacts the fewest number of people. 

The local school board tried that recently.  They gave the public 2 options to close the budget gap.

1)  Cancel all athlectics, all art & music.  Fire 1 of the 4 principles.  Cancel the entire French program.  and so on.  Affecting 2,000 students

2)  Close 1 school (that only impacts 200 students and now they have to ride the bus for an 2 hours a day) 

So many people were so concerned that option one would happen they immediately threw in their support for option 2 without wondering if there were actually other options.  And when talking about a school budget, there ARE ALWAYS more than 2 options. 

That's what pisses me off about Shepard, he/she is given 3 options that sucks and never says "these options suck."  

[Tirian Thorn]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

LumbercracK wrote...

thats a terrible answer buddy.
What if my love interest is tali so i doom the geth. What if i hate synthetics. What if i just dont care. Am i immune to indoctrination because i like machines?

I'd buy it if the destroy option always destroys earth. Then its a question of wether or not i believe earth will die. then the machine is preying on exactly what i am trying to do. Save earth. without that specifically it just doesnt work.

IT punishes those who like synthetics and is a free ride for those who dont care. its a terrible story. It's be as if ME2 kills you if you romance Miranda.

My take. 

Under IT picking Destroy is the way you break free from Indoctrination or at least resist it.  It doesn't mean those events that took place while fighting IT actually took place. 

After you resist - you wake up in London and actually finish the mission.  Fight Harbinger, etc. 

If you choose Control/Synthesis then Shepard becomes fully indoctrinated and a wholly different set of events take place.  Perhaps the rest of squad will have to finish the mission without Shepard. 

In my opinion the reason the Star Child tells you that destroy will kill all synthetics is so it is an option that you won't pick.  The Star Child makes control & synthesis seem like the better options. 

It's a common scare tactic.  Start off with an unreasonable solution that almost no one would ever agree to, then present a solution that negatively impacts the fewest number of people. 

The local school board tried that recently.  They gave the public 2 options to close the budget gap.

1)  Cancel all athlectics, all art & music.  Fire 1 of the 4 principles.  Cancel the entire French program.  and so on.  Affecting 2,000 students

2)  Close 1 school (that only impacts 200 students and now they have to ride the bus for an 2 hours a day) 

So many people were so concerned that option one would happen they immediately threw in their support for option 2 without wondering if there were actually other options.  And when talking about a school budget, there ARE ALWAYS more than 2 options. 

That's what pisses me off about Shepard, he/she is given 3 options that sucks and never says "these options suck."  

Or maybe that's what will be in extended cut - that Shepard looks at the Star Kid and says "you know what F*&^ you!  Those choices suck!"  

[SS2Dante]

AHAHA. You know how a while back I posted about the new Linkin Park song and how it fit ME3 so well? Check out the top comment, obviously I'm not crazy

EDIT - it helps if you post the link, idiot

 

EDIT - I've put a comment explaining why the song makes more sense in IT  Upvote the comment for IT!

Modifié par SS2Dante, 20 avril 2012 - 09:09 .

[LumbercracK]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

LumbercracK wrote...

thats a terrible answer buddy.
What if my love interest is tali so i doom the geth. What if i hate synthetics. What if i just dont care. Am i immune to indoctrination because i like machines?

I'd buy it if the destroy option always destroys earth. Then its a question of wether or not i believe earth will die. then the machine is preying on exactly what i am trying to do. Save earth. without that specifically it just doesnt work.

IT punishes those who like synthetics and is a free ride for those who dont care. its a terrible story. It's be as if ME2 kills you if you romance Miranda.

My take. 

Under IT picking Destroy is the way you break free from Indoctrination or at least resist it.  It doesn't mean those events that took place while fighting IT actually took place. 

After you resist - you wake up in London and actually finish the mission.  Fight Harbinger, etc. 

If you choose Control/Synthesis then Shepard becomes fully indoctrinated and a wholly different set of events take place.  Perhaps the rest of squad will have to finish the mission without Shepard. 

In my opinion the reason the Star Child tells you that destroy will kill all synthetics is so it is an option that you won't pick.  The Star Child makes control & synthesis seem like the better options. 

It's a common scare tactic.  Start off with an unreasonable solution that almost no one would ever agree to, then present a solution that negatively impacts the fewest number of people. 

The local school board tried that recently.  They gave the public 2 options to close the budget gap.

1)  Cancel all athlectics, all art & music.  Fire 1 of the 4 principles.  Cancel the entire French program.  and so on.  Affecting 2,000 students

2)  Close 1 school (that only impacts 200 students and now they have to ride the bus for an 2 hours a day) 

So many people were so concerned that option one would happen they immediately threw in their support for option 2 without wondering if there were actually other options.  And when talking about a school budget, there ARE ALWAYS more than 2 options. 

That's what pisses me off about Shepard, he/she is given 3 options that sucks and never says "these options suck."  

you see this makes sense FOR ME AND ME ALONE
What about people who are unsympathetic to the geth. They have no reason to beleive destroy is worse then control/synth.
If IT were true the game would cater to your obvious sympathies. If you acted pro human (**** krogans, **** geth, Keep collector base) Destroy kills earth
If your pro geth/krogan destroy kills them
If your neutral Destroy threatens all.

Otherwise godchild is trying to indoctrinate someone who amy or may not be you. 

What im saying is IT is a compensation for a poorly constructed final sequence that allows players to erase the whole ending. In no way can it be true because if it were the game would make a legit attempt to make everyone avoid destroy. Instead it selects only a handful of the people who will play the game and give them a reason not to destroy.

[LumbercracK]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

LumbercracK wrote...

thats a terrible answer buddy.
What if my love interest is tali so i doom the geth. What if i hate synthetics. What if i just dont care. Am i immune to indoctrination because i like machines?

I'd buy it if the destroy option always destroys earth. Then its a question of wether or not i believe earth will die. then the machine is preying on exactly what i am trying to do. Save earth. without that specifically it just doesnt work.

IT punishes those who like synthetics and is a free ride for those who dont care. its a terrible story. It's be as if ME2 kills you if you romance Miranda.

My take. 

Under IT picking Destroy is the way you break free from Indoctrination or at least resist it.  It doesn't mean those events that took place while fighting IT actually took place. 

After you resist - you wake up in London and actually finish the mission.  Fight Harbinger, etc. 

If you choose Control/Synthesis then Shepard becomes fully indoctrinated and a wholly different set of events take place.  Perhaps the rest of squad will have to finish the mission without Shepard. 

In my opinion the reason the Star Child tells you that destroy will kill all synthetics is so it is an option that you won't pick.  The Star Child makes control & synthesis seem like the better options. 

It's a common scare tactic.  Start off with an unreasonable solution that almost no one would ever agree to, then present a solution that negatively impacts the fewest number of people. 

The local school board tried that recently.  They gave the public 2 options to close the budget gap.

1)  Cancel all athlectics, all art & music.  Fire 1 of the 4 principles.  Cancel the entire French program.  and so on.  Affecting 2,000 students

2)  Close 1 school (that only impacts 200 students and now they have to ride the bus for an 2 hours a day) 

So many people were so concerned that option one would happen they immediately threw in their support for option 2 without wondering if there were actually other options.  And when talking about a school budget, there ARE ALWAYS more than 2 options. 

That's what pisses me off about Shepard, he/she is given 3 options that sucks and never says "these options suck."  

Or maybe that's what will be in extended cut - that Shepard looks at the Star Kid and says "you know what F*&^ you!  Those choices suck!"  

Honestly i think the "4th" option is a terrible fix as well.
For one the crucible IS the only chance for victory. We cant win any othe way. That was the whole point of the game. What needed to be their was a real debate between wether or not star child is right. Shep needs the option to let the cycle continue, Destroy all reaper tech(including citadel and relays), or the hard to get option merge with the crucible aka become a catalyst, control the reapers and become their leader, vow to leave the galaxy alone and let the different races have a chance at life, vowing to interfere only when needed.

This gives us a happy ending, a Dark but philisophical ending, and a bitter sweet ending.

[SS2Dante]

LumbercracK wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

LumbercracK wrote...

thats a terrible answer buddy.
What if my love interest is tali so i doom the geth. What if i hate synthetics. What if i just dont care. Am i immune to indoctrination because i like machines?

I'd buy it if the destroy option always destroys earth. Then its a question of wether or not i believe earth will die. then the machine is preying on exactly what i am trying to do. Save earth. without that specifically it just doesnt work.

IT punishes those who like synthetics and is a free ride for those who dont care. its a terrible story. It's be as if ME2 kills you if you romance Miranda.

My take. 

Under IT picking Destroy is the way you break free from Indoctrination or at least resist it.  It doesn't mean those events that took place while fighting IT actually took place. 

After you resist - you wake up in London and actually finish the mission.  Fight Harbinger, etc. 

If you choose Control/Synthesis then Shepard becomes fully indoctrinated and a wholly different set of events take place.  Perhaps the rest of squad will have to finish the mission without Shepard. 

In my opinion the reason the Star Child tells you that destroy will kill all synthetics is so it is an option that you won't pick.  The Star Child makes control & synthesis seem like the better options. 

It's a common scare tactic.  Start off with an unreasonable solution that almost no one would ever agree to, then present a solution that negatively impacts the fewest number of people. 

The local school board tried that recently.  They gave the public 2 options to close the budget gap.

1)  Cancel all athlectics, all art & music.  Fire 1 of the 4 principles.  Cancel the entire French program.  and so on.  Affecting 2,000 students

2)  Close 1 school (that only impacts 200 students and now they have to ride the bus for an 2 hours a day) 

So many people were so concerned that option one would happen they immediately threw in their support for option 2 without wondering if there were actually other options.  And when talking about a school budget, there ARE ALWAYS more than 2 options. 

That's what pisses me off about Shepard, he/she is given 3 options that sucks and never says "these options suck."  

you see this makes sense FOR ME AND ME ALONE
What about people who are unsympathetic to the geth. They have no reason to beleive destroy is worse then control/synth.
If IT were true the game would cater to your obvious sympathies. If you acted pro human (**** krogans, **** geth, Keep collector base) Destroy kills earth
If your pro geth/krogan destroy kills them
If your neutral Destroy threatens all.

Otherwise godchild is trying to indoctrinate someone who amy or may not be you. 

What im saying is IT is a compensation for a poorly constructed final sequence that allows players to erase the whole ending. In no way can it be true because if it were the game would make a legit attempt to make everyone avoid destroy. Instead it selects only a handful of the people who will play the game and give them a reason not to destroy.

...so what you're saying is, if you don't LOVE THE GETH FOREVER, then you automatically pick destroy? For what possible reason would anyone who doesn't care one way or the other pick destroy? It's presented as renegade, and causing needless and countless deaths, INCLUDING your own.

[Hawk227]

LumbercracK wrote...

What im saying is IT is a compensation for a poorly constructed final sequence that allows players to erase the whole ending. In no way can it be true because if it were the game would make a legit attempt to make everyone avoid destroy. Instead it selects only a handful of the people who will play the game and give them a reason not to destroy.

Only a handful? Really? I think the majority of players liked EDI, the Geth, or both. I think the majority of players, even if they didn't particularly like the Geth, still had qualms about Genociding them. Nearly everything I've read about the final choice was "I couldn't pick destroy because of the Geth" or "I had the think real hard about destroy when he mentioned the Geth". " I knew I didn't like synthesis, but I settled on Control because I didn't want to genocide the Geth".

Your statement assumes most people are ambivalent about the Geth or about Genocide. That's a ridiculous assumption.

[n00bsauce2010]

LumbercracK wrote...


What im saying is IT is a compensation for a poorly constructed final sequence that allows players to erase the whole ending. In no way can it be true because if it were the game would make a legit attempt to make everyone avoid destroy. Instead it selects only a handful of the people who will play the game and give them a reason not to destroy.

What about Shepard's death? The starchild is pretty clear about telling Shepard that all synthetics will die.. even he is partly synthetic.. suggesting he too will die. A reason for me not to pick it.. and thats why the first time I didn't pick it.. because I was led to believe he was going to die.. but what do you know... I tried again and I get that damned breath scene.

[SS2Dante]

Hawk227 wrote...

LumbercracK wrote...

What im saying is IT is a compensation for a poorly constructed final sequence that allows players to erase the whole ending. In no way can it be true because if it were the game would make a legit attempt to make everyone avoid destroy. Instead it selects only a handful of the people who will play the game and give them a reason not to destroy.

Only a handful? Really? I think the majority of players liked EDI, the Geth, or both. I think the majority of players, even if they didn't particularly like the Geth, still had qualms about Genociding them. Nearly everything I've read about the final choice was "I couldn't pick destroy because of the Geth" or "I had the think real hard about destroy when he mentioned the Geth". " I knew I didn't like synthesis, but I settled on Control because I didn't want to genocide the Geth".

Your statement assumes most people are ambivalent about the Geth or about Genocide. That's a ridiculous assumption.

Honestly I think he might be trolling. Not certain, but...:S

[Hawk227]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Content being there before and not now helps both sides. But if that content explains how Joker got your crew then it makes the planet scene plausible.

They won't have to deviate from the script at all. Joker lands somewhere with your crew, this implies that he went back to earth to get them.

Showing Joker actually picking them up won't change that.

I agree it makes it physically plausible, but what about narratively plausible. Why would your unharmed squadmates abandon you at the vital moment? When your armor is melted off and you can barely walk? This was always the major problem with that scene. The fact that they got there didn't make sense, but the fact they abandoned shepard was inexcusable. This audio doesn't fix that.

EDIT:

Oops, just saw the bit about Shepard telling them to fall back. But that doesn't really fit with what we saw. Everyone was running for the Beam, then shepard got blasted. He could barely walk, could he have coherently called for retreat? Why would he, it's do or die time?

I don't think this was just clipped out. I think this is a separate (parallel if you will) ending. They decided to go in another direction (IT?) and redid that sequence.

Modifié par Hawk227, 20 avril 2012 - 09:15 .

[LumbercracK]

Hawk227 wrote...

LumbercracK wrote...

What im saying is IT is a compensation for a poorly constructed final sequence that allows players to erase the whole ending. In no way can it be true because if it were the game would make a legit attempt to make everyone avoid destroy. Instead it selects only a handful of the people who will play the game and give them a reason not to destroy.

Only a handful? Really? I think the majority of players liked EDI, the Geth, or both. I think the majority of players, even if they didn't particularly like the Geth, still had qualms about Genociding them. Nearly everything I've read about the final choice was "I couldn't pick destroy because of the Geth" or "I had the think real hard about destroy when he mentioned the Geth". " I knew I didn't like synthesis, but I settled on Control because I didn't want to genocide the Geth".

Your statement assumes most people are ambivalent about the Geth or about Genocide. That's a ridiculous assumption.

Thank you sir. You are the first i've talked to that chose control. It seems like everyone goes the destroy route from my side here. But i know their are more then a "Handful" its called hyperbole. The fact remains im fairly sure we are not a dominant group.

As for the geth genocide, allot of people care less. Part of this game is about deciding wether or not the geth deserve the right to live. Some people will choose quarian over geth. The game is designed with the idea that not everyone is pining to save the geth.

and no i am not trolling