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[Corephyfish]

Its definitely the kid too, I tried to get closer.

[coruptai125]

This reminds me of the whole FF9 theory that kuja killed the whole party with Ultima and the last battle wasn't real.

[wryterra]

slydfoxxy wrote...

Its definitely the kid too, I tried to get closer.

Clearly Shepard is a horrible person for not informing someone this 'missing' child is deceased. 

Right?

[AllThatJazz]

Just popped in to say that this is the best thread on these boards! Even if it isn't true (though I hope it is), it's definitely my headcanon now, and regardless there is just so much positive thinking and great imagination here! Thanks you guys for an awesome read, and some great food for thought ) Keep it up!! XD

[Corephyfish]

wryterra wrote...

slydfoxxy wrote...

Its definitely the kid too, I tried to get closer.

*snip image*

Clearly Shepard is a horrible person for not informing someone this 'missing' child is deceased. 

Right?

Haha yeah, unless of course there IS no picture O.o...

[David Bergsma]

Well, unless Shep can hallucinate photos (which may be a possiblity) the kid was at least real at some point.

Pretty slim though, it can be anybody. That even seems a girl to me

[Kirkknight]

Im hoping a DLC comes out that gives us a holy **** moment and the kid is actually Harbringer trying to destory Shepard's mind. That would be a type of thing I can see Bioware pulling. All of this can be a well thought out troll by bioware to get us going and than boom DLC.

[count_4]

I can just imagine the BioWare guys laughing their butts off, winding up to hit us with the biggest story-hammer of all time.

If all this is true, it will make M. Night Shyamalan look like a bore in comparison.

[Tamuril24]

I think the kid was real, it's strange that no one helped him onto the shuttle though. I read somewhere official that the kid was in shepards dreams because he took the face of all the people she had failed to save and that's why she was haunted by it. The star ghost could easily have just picked that form as it was significant to her current state of mind.

[Corephyfish]

David Bergsma wrote...

Well, unless Shep can hallucinate photos (which may be a possiblity) the kid was at least real at some point.

*snip*

Pretty slim though, it can be anybody. That even seems a girl to me

look at this then

It's definitely him, he has the same expression on his face when he is being burned in your dreams.

[Lugaidster]

To be honest, the Earth is a pretty big planet. Imagine we saw a photo of a kid in a milk carton saying "Last seen on Earth". I'd be laughing out loud saying "no sh17 Sherlock!".

[MRedfield]

Another point expanding on what we know:

Shepard tells Hackett that he doesn't get much sleep anymore, and hasn't slept in what feels like days. This is confirmed by the only two times we actually see Shepard sleeping, he falls into the trance-like nightmare.

Running with our theory here, it fits perfectly with him being knocked unconscious by the blast. He falls into the nightmare, influenced by the close proximity to reapers, reaper tech and a massive beam that we know interferes with everything else around it.

Everything just slots into place nicely.

[Rifneno]

Oh God.  I just realized another interpretation of the ending.  One that's even worse.  I haven't read the hundreds of pages of understandable rage, so forgive me if this has been mentioned before.

The Reapers won.  That wasn't just a hallucination, it was a hallucination as Shepard died.  He got hit by Harbinger's beam.  That thing can bring down a dreadnought, nobody is going to survive it on foot.  The reasons to think it's a hallucination are numerous but in hindsight it also seems highly unlikely he survived at all.  You can hear people saying things in the distance along the lines of "My God, they're all dead."  Which you would expect because, again, Harbinger's beam weapon!

What really makes me think this though is the grandfather scene at the end.  We only see them as silhouettes at a far distance.  We thought it didn't make much sense because they talk as if there's no aliens on the planet, they have no space travel, ect.  ...  That's because they don't.  They're not human, or any other species we know of.  They're a species in a future cycle that hasn't yet developed space travel.  They know of this legend of Shepard because they found one of Liara's time capsules that she filled with adoration for her friend.  And that's why we can't see them clearly, to hide that these are a future species and not our own.

I find myself thinking something I never thought I'd think.  Dear God, retcon please!

[Icinix]

Elmogaming wrote...

BlackAvalon wrote...

FridgeRaider88 wrote...

http://postimage.org/image/wleo622sh/

The defense rests, your honour.

I seem to remember Vega complaining of a humming as well for the record.

Brilliant discussion people, keep it up. I like it. c:

Furthermore the "God Child" tries to tell sheapard destroying all the reapers was a bad idea... and lets not forget the "God child" Talks about the reapers As "Us"... obviously harbinger

First he uses the words "My home." Later - "We controlled him."

Catalyst is clearly confused.

Also - if you let Shep die at the end (time runs out), when you resume from the autosave - kid is gone from his spot.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Just a quick addition to this; I distinctly remember in ME2 Collector-Harbinger wanting to capture Shepard alive, or something along those lines whenever you're fighting him. There was also mentions of the Collectors (and therefore the Reapers) being interested in Shepard, and those connected to Shepard (example, the attack on Horizon where Kaiden/Ashley are stationed).

Could they have wanted Shepard to use as a blueprint for the Synthesis ending we're given? It could be simple as they wanted him/her for an addition to the human Reaper but, either way something to think on.

[Tamuril24]

MRedfield wrote...

Another point expanding on what we know:

Shepard tells Hackett that he doesn't get much sleep anymore, and hasn't slept in what feels like days. This is confirmed by the only two times we actually see Shepard sleeping, he falls into the trance-like nightmare.

Running with our theory here, it fits perfectly with him being knocked unconscious by the blast. He falls into the nightmare, influenced by the close proximity to reapers, reaper tech and a massive beam that we know interferes with everything else around it.

Everything just slots into place nicely.

Oh dear god I want this to be the truth

[AllThatJazz]

Kirkknight wrote...

Im hoping a DLC comes out that gives us a holy **** moment and the kid is actually Harbringer trying to destory Shepard's mind. That would be a type of thing I can see Bioware pulling. All of this can be a well thought out troll by bioware to get us going and than boom DLC.

Completely agreed. Then we get a tremendous boss battle with Harby, followed by a Return of the Jedi style montage of a celebrating galaxy ... totally not too much to expect :innocent:

[MRedfield]

Tamuril24 wrote...

MRedfield wrote...

Another point expanding on what we know:

Shepard tells Hackett that he doesn't get much sleep anymore, and hasn't slept in what feels like days. This is confirmed by the only two times we actually see Shepard sleeping, he falls into the trance-like nightmare.

Running with our theory here, it fits perfectly with him being knocked unconscious by the blast. He falls into the nightmare, influenced by the close proximity to reapers, reaper tech and a massive beam that we know interferes with everything else around it.

Everything just slots into place nicely.

Oh dear god I want this to be the truth

Now that I think about it, Shepard falls asleep three times, right? The first time he can't catch the boy, the second he catches him but the boy bursts into flames, and the third he catches him, and sees himself burning with the boy.

I think the only other time you see him sleeping is if you drink too much in Purgatory, but I don't consider that canon to the story.

[count_4]

Rifneno wrote...
What really makes me think this though is the grandfather scene at the end.  We only see them as silhouettes at a far distance.  We thought it didn't make much sense because they talk as if there's no aliens on the planet, they have no space travel, ect.  ...  That's because they don't.  They're not human, or any other species we know of.  They're a species in a future cycle that hasn't yet developed space travel.  They know of this legend of Shepard because they found one of Liara's time capsules that she filled with adoration for her friend.  And that's why we can't see them clearly, to hide that these are a future species and not our own.

Good thinking. 
Would you mind dropping a word on the time capsules, though? It seems I kinda missed that somehow... (or it was in the comics which I haven't read completely yet)

[Worufu]

Did anyone notice how in the ending after getting hit by the beam weapon Shepard gets his Renegade facial scars again, so suddenly? This would show that everything he did to this point was to be a renegade, a "bad" person. Especially bad from the point of view of the Reapers.

[Leonia]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Just a quick addition to this; I distinctly remember in ME2 Collector-Harbinger wanting to capture Shepard alive, or something along those lines whenever you're fighting him. There was also mentions of the Collectors (and therefore the Reapers) being interested in Shepard, and those connected to Shepard (example, the attack on Horizon where Kaiden/Ashley are stationed).

Could they have wanted Shepard to use as a blueprint for the Synthesis ending we're given? It could be simple as they wanted him/her for an addition to the human Reaper but, either way something to think on.

Also the events of Arrival strongly hint that the Reapers have taken a specific interest in Shepard, otherwise why bother leaving him/her alive at all? We never did find out what that specific interest is but maybe the Synthesis endiing hints at it.

[Dilandau3000]

slydfoxxy wrote...

Its definitely the kid too, I tried to get closer.

Last seen on earth? Can you be a little more specific, maybe?

Seriously, how many people go to the lost & found office and say they lost their wallet "somewhere in north america".

[Lugaidster]

Rifneno wrote...

Oh God.  I just realized another interpretation of the ending.  One that's even worse.  I haven't read the hundreds of pages of understandable rage, so forgive me if this has been mentioned before.

The Reapers won.  That wasn't just a hallucination, it was a hallucination as Shepard died.  He got hit by Harbinger's beam.  That thing can bring down a dreadnought, nobody is going to survive it on foot.  The reasons to think it's a hallucination are numerous but in hindsight it also seems highly unlikely he survived at all.  You can hear people saying things in the distance along the lines of "My God, they're all dead."  Which you would expect because, again, Harbinger's beam weapon!

What really makes me think this though is the grandfather scene at the end.  We only see them as silhouettes at a far distance.  We thought it didn't make much sense because they talk as if there's no aliens on the planet, they have no space travel, ect.  ...  That's because they don't.  They're not human, or any other species we know of.  They're a species in a future cycle that hasn't yet developed space travel.  They know of this legend of Shepard because they found one of Liara's time capsules that she filled with adoration for her friend.  And that's why we can't see them clearly, to hide that these are a future species and not our own.

I find myself thinking something I never thought I'd think.  Dear God, retcon please!

That's what we've been saying all along. Now combine that with a high EMS and choosing the destroy and you'll see yourself breathing again in London in the middle of the rubble. To me that clearly either represents Shepard fighting indoctrination or Shepard fighting for his life.

Modifié par Lugaidster, 12 mars 2012 - 11:02 .

[Rifneno]

count_4 wrote...

Good thinking. 
Would you mind dropping a word on the time capsules, though? It seems I kinda missed that somehow... (or it was in the comics which I haven't read completely yet)

Liara is building time capsules with a bunch of information in them.  Diagrams on the Crucible, information on all the known species, translators for known languages, ect.  She comes up to Shepard's cabin at one point and asks for input on one thing: Shepard's own entry.  She apparently wanted quite an entry on him/her.  She was going to send these things out to various worlds.  "Just in case" I guess.
It seemed like it was probably an early romance scene.  I was nice to all my crew but kept Shepard single because I was expecting a DAO type ending.  So if you were involved with someone else that's probably why you didn't get the scene.