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[Leto_Galt]

DJBare wrote...

Leto_Galt wrote...


I was looking through some save game editing plot flags and noticed that the line for End001 (Destroy) is different than End002 and End003. Destroy Sets 3 PlotIDs for the future.Not only do Synth and Control not set 3Ids. They do not even set 1.

End001,
PlotIDSet=(20894,19290,19286),
PlotIDClear=(),
PlotInts=((ID=10185,V=26),(ID=10303,V=25)),
PlotCond=())

Allow me to play devils advocate, the destroy ending has an extra scene the other two lack, but I do notice the game saving(disk icon appears bottom left, pc version) at destroy, I've not noticed it saving with the other two endings.

PlotInts= Destroy has 2 IDs, Synth/Control only have 1. = Extra Scene? I don't know.

[n00bsauce2010]

Leto_Galt wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Leto_Galt wrote...


I was looking through some save game editing plot flags and noticed that the line for End001 (Destroy) is different than End002 and End003. Destroy Sets 3 PlotIDs for the future.Not only do Synth and Control not set 3Ids. They do not even set 1.

End001,
PlotIDSet=(20894,19290,19286),
PlotIDClear=(),
PlotInts=((ID=10185,V=26),(ID=10303,V=25)),
PlotCond=())

Allow me to play devils advocate, the destroy ending has an extra scene the other two lack, but I do notice the game saving(disk icon appears bottom left, pc version) at destroy, I've not noticed it saving with the other two endings.

PlotInts= Destroy has 2 IDs, Synth/Control only have 1. = Extra Scene? I don't know.

Whats the argument here?

[Earthborn_Shepard]

pistolols wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

@pistolols
just read your edit. well it definitely sounds similar.

do you believe it is the same sound?  i'm not as confident about it now knowing it apparently hasn't been brought up before.

I just watched the other vid on your channel.. the one with the supposed ghostly appearance.. I watched it several times but didn't notice anything, where exactly am I supposed to look?

[Saltank]

I think the whole indoctrination theory is overkill and it's easier to accept that the ending was a failure and we should try to look at the events in a more literal sense. Shepard was nearly killed, but, has the strength and will to finish the mission. The whole thing is trying to be extremely artistic.

BioWare just rushed it so badly that it gave room for all sorts of weird theories.
Remember the Halo 3 ending?
Arbiter: "Were it so easy..."

This is a lot like that, but a lot worse too because we know it's the end for Shepard, but Master Chief is making a comeback soon. That's why this was wholly inappropriate.

[pistolols]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

pistolols wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

@pistolols
just read your edit. well it definitely sounds similar.

do you believe it is the same sound?  i'm not as confident about it now knowing it apparently hasn't been brought up before.

I just watched the other vid on your channel.. the one with the supposed ghostly appearance.. I watched it several times but didn't notice anything, where exactly am I supposed to look?

Oh, well with that one we determined in the thread which i posted it that it was a common model loading glitch.  At least, that was the consensus.

It's at the top of the walkway ramp on the left.  Appears very quickly then disappears.  Easier to see if you make it fullscreen.  It shows up in between  Anderson saying "Hold on"  and "i see something" at 0:04.

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par pistolols, 21 avril 2012 - 04:07 .

[Skillz1986]

@pistolols

it definitely sounds similar, so i would not worry about this. but so far, i was not able to recreate it on my playthrough. i don't know about the others though...

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Saltank wrote...

I think the whole indoctrination theory is overkill and it's easier to accept that the ending was a failure and we should try to look at the events in a more literal sense. Shepard was nearly killed, but, has the strength and will to finish the mission. The whole thing is trying to be extremely artistic.

BioWare just rushed it so badly that it gave room for all sorts of weird theories.
Remember the Halo 3 ending?
Arbiter: "Were it so easy..."

This is a lot like that, but a lot worse too because we know it's the end for Shepard, but Master Chief is making a comeback soon. That's why this was wholly inappropriate.

Oh yeah Shepard was only "nearly" killed after beeing at ground zero for 8 km wide fireball and then performing Orbital reentry nearly unscathed while wearing a burned out armor with no helmet or kinetic barriers...

[Rifneno]

Saltank wrote...

I think the whole indoctrination theory is overkill and it's easier to accept that the ending was a failure and we should try to look at the events in a more literal sense. Shepard was nearly killed, but, has the strength and will to finish the mission. The whole thing is trying to be extremely artistic.

BioWare just rushed it so badly that it gave room for all sorts of weird theories.
Remember the Halo 3 ending?
Arbiter: "Were it so easy..."

This is a lot like that, but a lot worse too because we know it's the end for Shepard, but Master Chief is making a comeback soon. That's why this was wholly inappropriate.

Oh good, another one saying we should just "accept" the ending without actually countering (and smart money says, reading) any of the actual evidence that lead us to the conclusion.

[EpyonX3]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Leto_Galt wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Leto_Galt wrote...


I was looking through some save game editing plot flags and noticed that the line for End001 (Destroy) is different than End002 and End003. Destroy Sets 3 PlotIDs for the future.Not only do Synth and Control not set 3Ids. They do not even set 1.

End001,
PlotIDSet=(20894,19290,19286),
PlotIDClear=(),
PlotInts=((ID=10185,V=26),(ID=10303,V=25)),
PlotCond=())

Allow me to play devils advocate, the destroy ending has an extra scene the other two lack, but I do notice the game saving(disk icon appears bottom left, pc version) at destroy, I've not noticed it saving with the other two endings.

PlotInts= Destroy has 2 IDs, Synth/Control only have 1. = Extra Scene? I don't know.

Whats the argument here?

Saving info for the future? Perhaps Post ending DLC that depends on the plot poits that were saved?

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Skillz1986 wrote...

@pistolols

it definitely sounds similar, so i would not worry about this. but so far, i was not able to recreate it on my playthrough. i don't know about the others though...

Maybe this sound only appears after a priority mission? Or only the first time you're looking at that picture.. or maybe it's just right in front of a loud speaker announcment because we established that that reaper growl was a sign of annoyance for distracting shepard from the indoctrination...

[EpyonX3]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

pistolols wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

@pistolols
just read your edit. well it definitely sounds similar.

do you believe it is the same sound?  i'm not as confident about it now knowing it apparently hasn't been brought up before.

I just watched the other vid on your channel.. the one with the supposed ghostly appearance.. I watched it several times but didn't notice anything, where exactly am I supposed to look?

I have all of the audio files unpacked and named. What are you guys wondering about?

[Leto_Galt]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Whats the argument here?

That as far as the games save mechanic goes, there are only 2 endings.
Destroy -or- Not Destroy.
Game doesn't apear to track your choice if you don't pick destroy at the end.

DJBare clipped out some of my original post.

Modifié par Leto_Galt, 21 avril 2012 - 04:11 .

[n00bsauce2010]

Leto_Galt wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Whats the argument here?

That as far as the games save mechanic goes, there are only 2 endings.
Destroy -or- Not Destroy.
Game doesn't apear to track your choice if you don't pick destroy at the end.

DJBare clipped out some of my original post.

wow.. pretty damn interesting. You'd think there would be 3 definitive names for it. But there is only destroy and not destroy... extremely wierd.

[pistolols]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

pistolols wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

@pistolols
just read your edit. well it definitely sounds similar.

do you believe it is the same sound?  i'm not as confident about it now knowing it apparently hasn't been brought up before.

I just watched the other vid on your channel.. the one with the supposed ghostly appearance.. I watched it several times but didn't notice anything, where exactly am I supposed to look?

I have all of the audio files unpacked and named. What are you guys wondering about?

it's a repeating sound in the Holding Area docking bay of the citadel that sounds similar to the growl in the vent scene on earth,

www.youtube.com/watch

[Vahilor]

@Saltank

Even if I wanted to, I can never accept the ending like they are at the moment.. they are to unlogic and full of plot wholes, that make my head ache... so if they really keep them (and it indicates very strong they do) IDT is the only way for me to accept them.

[MaximizedAction]

pistolols wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

pistolols wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

@pistolols
just read your edit. well it definitely sounds similar.

do you believe it is the same sound?  i'm not as confident about it now knowing it apparently hasn't been brought up before.

I just watched the other vid on your channel.. the one with the supposed ghostly appearance.. I watched it several times but didn't notice anything, where exactly am I supposed to look?

I have all of the audio files unpacked and named. What are you guys wondering about?

it's a repeating sound in the Holding Area docking bay of the citadel that sounds similar to the growl in the vent scene on earth,

www.youtube.com/watch

Here's the vent scene a few secs before the growl comes:
www.youtube.com/watch

Though I can't really say for sure that it's the same or even the same note pitches, it does have this "wow" pattern.
And both sounds play just half a second before the distractions come:

On Earth, Anderson calling for Shepard. On the Citadel, the announcement through the speakers.

It's funny that both are literally like distractions from indoctrination or daydreaming. Like someone sayng to you "HEY, wake up!"

[Dwailing]

Saltank wrote...

I think the whole indoctrination theory is overkill and it's easier to accept that the ending was a failure and we should try to look at the events in a more literal sense. Shepard was nearly killed, but, has the strength and will to finish the mission. The whole thing is trying to be extremely artistic.

BioWare just rushed it so badly that it gave room for all sorts of weird theories.
Remember the Halo 3 ending?
Arbiter: "Were it so easy..."

This is a lot like that, but a lot worse too because we know it's the end for Shepard, but Master Chief is making a comeback soon. That's why this was wholly inappropriate.

Just one question.  Did you come here solely to tell us that IT is wrong without presenting any evidence as to WHY it's wrong?  If so, I don't see why you came here because all that will happen now is that you will be ripped apart by forces beyond my control. (n00bsauce2010)

[IronSabbath88]

Hey everyone, glad to see this thread is still very much alive. I took a long break from this place because I was sick of speculating like crazy about it. But I'm much more calm about things now. I still believe the theory, you bet I do.

Just sometimes gets a little frustrating.. lol

[Dwailing]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Leto_Galt wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Whats the argument here?

That as far as the games save mechanic goes, there are only 2 endings.
Destroy -or- Not Destroy.
Game doesn't apear to track your choice if you don't pick destroy at the end.

DJBare clipped out some of my original post.

wow.. pretty damn interesting. You'd think there would be 3 definitive names for it. But there is only destroy and not destroy... extremely wierd.

Wow, I think this is definitely evidence in favor of IT, if you ask me.

[n00bsauce2010]

Dwailing wrote...

Saltank wrote...

I think the whole indoctrination theory is overkill and it's easier to accept that the ending was a failure and we should try to look at the events in a more literal sense. Shepard was nearly killed, but, has the strength and will to finish the mission. The whole thing is trying to be extremely artistic.

BioWare just rushed it so badly that it gave room for all sorts of weird theories.
Remember the Halo 3 ending?
Arbiter: "Were it so easy..."

This is a lot like that, but a lot worse too because we know it's the end for Shepard, but Master Chief is making a comeback soon. That's why this was wholly inappropriate.

Just one question.  Did you come here solely to tell us that IT is wrong without presenting any evidence as to WHY it's wrong?  If so, I don't see why you came here because all that will happen now is that you will be ripped apart by forces beyond my control. (n00bsauce2010)

Lmfao....

[draken-heart]

not sure if this was mentioned or not, but did Liara not say that Shepard was remarkably strong-willed? could this imply that Shepard is strong-willed enough to resist indoctrination until the beam-thingy?

not advocating indoctrination theory, just asking some logical questions.

[MaximizedAction]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Hey everyone, glad to see this thread is still very much alive. I took a long break from this place because I was sick of speculating like crazy about it. But I'm much more calm about things now. I still believe the theory, you bet I do.

Just sometimes gets a little frustrating.. lol

You and me both. There are definitely these ups and downs. But in my experience IT is something that first needs to sink in properly.

[Dwailing]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Hey everyone, glad to see this thread is still very much alive. I took a long break from this place because I was sick of speculating like crazy about it. But I'm much more calm about things now. I still believe the theory, you bet I do.

Just sometimes gets a little frustrating.. lol

I know how you feel.  Darn you Casey and your "speculation"!  BTW, I won't be able to post with any real consistency for at least the next couple of days.  The internet at my house is dead, forcing me to rely on other sources like Chick-fil-A. (Where I am right now)  Just figure I should tell you all.

[n00bsauce2010]

Dwailing wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Hey everyone, glad to see this thread is still very much alive. I took a long break from this place because I was sick of speculating like crazy about it. But I'm much more calm about things now. I still believe the theory, you bet I do.

Just sometimes gets a little frustrating.. lol

I know how you feel.  Darn you Casey and your "speculation"!  BTW, I won't be able to post with any real consistency for at least the next couple of days.  The internet at my house is dead, forcing me to rely on other sources like Chick-fil-A. (Where I am right now)  Just figure I should tell you all.

at least you get to enjoy some good eats.

[EpyonX3]

pistolols wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

pistolols wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

@pistolols
just read your edit. well it definitely sounds similar.

do you believe it is the same sound?  i'm not as confident about it now knowing it apparently hasn't been brought up before.

I just watched the other vid on your channel.. the one with the supposed ghostly appearance.. I watched it several times but didn't notice anything, where exactly am I supposed to look?

I have all of the audio files unpacked and named. What are you guys wondering about?

it's a repeating sound in the Holding Area docking bay of the citadel that sounds similar to the growl in the vent scene on earth,

www.youtube.com/watch

Ok I'll look but to me it sounds like vehicles flying by. Give me a few minutes.