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EpyonX3 wrote...
Ok I'll look but to me it sounds like vehicles flying by. Give me a few minutes.
Modifié par pistolols, 21 avril 2012 - 04:45 .
n00bsauce2010 wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
IronSabbath88 wrote...
Hey everyone, glad to see this thread is still very much alive. I took a long break from this place because I was sick of speculating like crazy about it. But I'm much more calm about things now. I still believe the theory, you bet I do.
Just sometimes gets a little frustrating.. lol
I know how you feel. Darn you Casey and your "speculation"! BTW, I won't be able to post with any real consistency for at least the next couple of days. The internet at my house is dead, forcing me to rely on other sources like Chick-fil-A. (Where I am right now) Just figure I should tell you all.
at least you get to enjoy some good eats.
EpyonX3 wrote...
pistolols wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
pistolols wrote...
Skillz1986 wrote...
@pistolols
just read your edit. well it definitely sounds similar.
do you believe it is the same sound? i'm not as confident about it now knowing it apparently hasn't been brought up before.
I just watched the other vid on your channel.. the one with the supposed ghostly appearance.. I watched it several times but didn't notice anything, where exactly am I supposed to look?
I have all of the audio files unpacked and named. What are you guys wondering about?
it's a repeating sound in the Holding Area docking bay of the citadel that sounds similar to the growl in the vent scene on earth,
www.youtube.com/watch
Ok I'll look but to me it sounds like vehicles flying by. Give me a few minutes.
EpyonX3 wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
pistolols wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
pistolols wrote...
Skillz1986 wrote...
@pistolols
just read your edit. well it definitely sounds similar.
do you believe it is the same sound? i'm not as confident about it now knowing it apparently hasn't been brought up before.
I just watched the other vid on your channel.. the one with the supposed ghostly appearance.. I watched it several times but didn't notice anything, where exactly am I supposed to look?
I have all of the audio files unpacked and named. What are you guys wondering about?
it's a repeating sound in the Holding Area docking bay of the citadel that sounds similar to the growl in the vent scene on earth,
www.youtube.com/watch
Ok I'll look but to me it sounds like vehicles flying by. Give me a few minutes.
OK I found a file that is most similar to what's in the video.
Wwise_CitHub_Streaming.29 is the file name. It's a lot of ambient noise that at times sounds like grumbling and groqling but it's actually the sound of machinery and cargo.
pistolols wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
Ok I'll look but to me it sounds like vehicles flying by. Give me a few minutes.
wondered that myself. But i think the cars make a different, higher pitched sound. More like a "VREEEE". Also i went to the commons to see if i could hear the same sound from the cars up there, no dice. Only hear that sound down in the holding area.
Dwailing wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
pistolols wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
pistolols wrote...
Skillz1986 wrote...
@pistolols
just read your edit. well it definitely sounds similar.
do you believe it is the same sound? i'm not as confident about it now knowing it apparently hasn't been brought up before.
I just watched the other vid on your channel.. the one with the supposed ghostly appearance.. I watched it several times but didn't notice anything, where exactly am I supposed to look?
I have all of the audio files unpacked and named. What are you guys wondering about?
it's a repeating sound in the Holding Area docking bay of the citadel that sounds similar to the growl in the vent scene on earth,
www.youtube.com/watch
Ok I'll look but to me it sounds like vehicles flying by. Give me a few minutes.
OK I found a file that is most similar to what's in the video.
Wwise_CitHub_Streaming.29 is the file name. It's a lot of ambient noise that at times sounds like grumbling and groqling but it's actually the sound of machinery and cargo.
Yeah, I didn't really think that was anything beyond the sounds of the Citadel. BTW, what happened with my observations before about the similarities between the run to the Maw Hammers on Tuchanka and the final run for the Conduit? My connection died before I could see what happened.
EpyonX3 wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
pistolols wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
pistolols wrote...
Skillz1986 wrote...
@pistolols
just read your edit. well it definitely sounds similar.
do you believe it is the same sound? i'm not as confident about it now knowing it apparently hasn't been brought up before.
I just watched the other vid on your channel.. the one with the supposed ghostly appearance.. I watched it several times but didn't notice anything, where exactly am I supposed to look?
I have all of the audio files unpacked and named. What are you guys wondering about?
it's a repeating sound in the Holding Area docking bay of the citadel that sounds similar to the growl in the vent scene on earth,
www.youtube.com/watch
Ok I'll look but to me it sounds like vehicles flying by. Give me a few minutes.
OK I found a file that is most similar to what's in the video.
Wwise_CitHub_Streaming.29 is the file name. It's a lot of ambient noise that at times sounds like grumbling and groqling but it's actually the sound of machinery and cargo.
Yeah, I didn't really think that was anything beyond the sounds of the Citadel. BTW, what happened with my observations before about the similarities between the run to the Maw Hammers on Tuchanka and the final run for the Conduit? My connection died before I could see what happened.
I'm not sure what you're refering to. I may have missed that post.
Dwailing wrote...
It was two days ago. You may have missed it. Anyone else remember?
Big Bad wrote...
One potential argument in favor of IT that I don't think is brought up enough is the fact that the ending, if taken at face value, goes out of its way to contradict many of the series' major themes up to this point. I am sure are more thematic contradictions, but these are two that stick out to me:
1)Non-determinism - If what the star child says is true, then Shepard lives in what is an essentially deterministic universe. No matter what Shepard - or anybody else does - his actions will not and can not have any real impact on the trajectory of history. The starchild says that synthetics are not only likely to wipe out organic life, but they are destined to do it!
If that is true, then what the hell was the point of Legion's character and of the peacemaking between Quarians and Geth? Was it just to get a few more war assets? I call bull**** on that. Is Legion's willingness to join forces with organics to defeat the Reapers just an aberration that has no importance in the long run? For chrissakes, he sacrifices himself for the sake of peace - and then we're just supposed to turn around and accept the notion that his death was ultimately just a big ****ing joke? And why has the ME series gone out of its way to demonstrate that there is no reason why synthetics and organics have to be in conflict, only to get to the end and say, "Haha, we were just kidding about that stuff. Your two civilizations are predestined to remain in mortal conflict until all biological life is dead!" I mean, really? The starchild presents absolutely no evidence to backup this extraordinary claim, and we're just supposed to take his word for it? Hell no.
2) The futility of attempting to control the Reapers - one of the major themes of ME3 is that if a person sets out to control the Reapers, what he ultimately ends up doing is serving their purposes. Hell, TIM learns that lesson in a pretty harsh way just moments before Shepard meets the starchild, but then Shepard is supposed to ignore that lesson completely and decide, against all available evidence, that control is not only a viable option, but it is the "paragon" option? To quote the esteemable Chewbacca Defense, "THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!"
Sorry, that turned out to be more of a rant than I intended. I guess I just needed to get that off my chest.
Big Bad wrote...
Big Bad wrote...
One potential argument in favor of IT that I don't think is brought up enough is the fact that the ending, if taken at face value, goes out of its way to contradict many of the series' major themes up to this point. I am sure are more thematic contradictions, but these are two that stick out to me:
1)Non-determinism - If what the star child says is true, then Shepard lives in what is an essentially deterministic universe. No matter what Shepard - or anybody else does - his actions will not and can not have any real impact on the trajectory of history. The starchild says that synthetics are not only likely to wipe out organic life, but they are destined to do it!
If that is true, then what the hell was the point of Legion's character and of the peacemaking between Quarians and Geth? Was it just to get a few more war assets? I call bull**** on that. Is Legion's willingness to join forces with organics to defeat the Reapers just an aberration that has no importance in the long run? For chrissakes, he sacrifices himself for the sake of peace - and then we're just supposed to turn around and accept the notion that his death was ultimately just a big ****ing joke? And why has the ME series gone out of its way to demonstrate that there is no reason why synthetics and organics have to be in conflict, only to get to the end and say, "Haha, we were just kidding about that stuff. Your two civilizations are predestined to remain in mortal conflict until all biological life is dead!" I mean, really? The starchild presents absolutely no evidence to backup this extraordinary claim, and we're just supposed to take his word for it? Hell no.
2) The futility of attempting to control the Reapers - one of the major themes of ME3 is that if a person sets out to control the Reapers, what he ultimately ends up doing is serving their purposes. Hell, TIM learns that lesson in a pretty harsh way just moments before Shepard meets the starchild, but then Shepard is supposed to ignore that lesson completely and decide, against all available evidence, that control is not only a viable option, but it is the "paragon" option? To quote the esteemable Chewbacca Defense, "THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!"
Sorry, that turned out to be more of a rant than I intended. I guess I just needed to get that off my chest.
I'm going to shamelessly quote something I wrote yesterday because I am curious what people think about mybarely coherent ravingflawless argument.
Big Bad wrote...
Big Bad wrote...
One potential argument in favor of IT that I don't think is brought up enough is the fact that the ending, if taken at face value, goes out of its way to contradict many of the series' major themes up to this point. I am sure are more thematic contradictions, but these are two that stick out to me:
1)Non-determinism - If what the star child says is true, then Shepard lives in what is an essentially deterministic universe. No matter what Shepard - or anybody else does - his actions will not and can not have any real impact on the trajectory of history. The starchild says that synthetics are not only likely to wipe out organic life, but they are destined to do it!
If that is true, then what the hell was the point of Legion's character and of the peacemaking between Quarians and Geth? Was it just to get a few more war assets? I call bull**** on that. Is Legion's willingness to join forces with organics to defeat the Reapers just an aberration that has no importance in the long run? For chrissakes, he sacrifices himself for the sake of peace - and then we're just supposed to turn around and accept the notion that his death was ultimately just a big ****ing joke? And why has the ME series gone out of its way to demonstrate that there is no reason why synthetics and organics have to be in conflict, only to get to the end and say, "Haha, we were just kidding about that stuff. Your two civilizations are predestined to remain in mortal conflict until all biological life is dead!" I mean, really? The starchild presents absolutely no evidence to backup this extraordinary claim, and we're just supposed to take his word for it? Hell no.
2) The futility of attempting to control the Reapers - one of the major themes of ME3 is that if a person sets out to control the Reapers, what he ultimately ends up doing is serving their purposes. Hell, TIM learns that lesson in a pretty harsh way just moments before Shepard meets the starchild, but then Shepard is supposed to ignore that lesson completely and decide, against all available evidence, that control is not only a viable option, but it is the "paragon" option? To quote the esteemable Chewbacca Defense, "THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!"
Sorry, that turned out to be more of a rant than I intended. I guess I just needed to get that off my chest.
I'm going to shamelessly quote something I wrote yesterday because I am curious what people think about mybarely coherent ravingflawless argument.
EpyonX3 wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
It was two days ago. You may have missed it. Anyone else remember?
What was your observation?
Dwailing wrote...
IronSabbath88 wrote...
Hey everyone, glad to see this thread is still very much alive. I took a long break from this place because I was sick of speculating like crazy about it. But I'm much more calm about things now. I still believe the theory, you bet I do.
Just sometimes gets a little frustrating.. lol
I know how you feel. Darn you Casey and your "speculation"! BTW, I won't be able to post with any real consistency for at least the next couple of days. The internet at my house is dead, forcing me to rely on other sources like Chick-fil-A. (Where I am right now) Just figure I should tell you all.
Dwailing wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
It was two days ago. You may have missed it. Anyone else remember?
What was your observation?
I had been playing the mission to cure the Genophage, and I noticed that part of the run to reach the Maw Hammers to summon Kalros resembled the final race to the Conduit on Earth. There was the fall when the Reaper fired at you for the first time, which kind of looks like when Shepard jumps down at the beginning of the run. There was the actual run to get to the arena with the Reaper shooting at Shepard repeatedly and him having to run and dodge the blasts in an area with very little cover. There was the Shroud shooting that beam into the sky which reminded me of the Conduit. And lastly, there was the Reaper suspending itself between the two walls, kind of like how Harbinger stood at the end. Admittedly, the similarities may just be a coincidence, but I just thought they were worth pointing out.
EpyonX3 wrote...
Big Bad wrote...
Big Bad wrote...
One potential argument in favor of IT that I don't think is brought up enough is the fact that the ending, if taken at face value, goes out of its way to contradict many of the series' major themes up to this point. I am sure are more thematic contradictions, but these are two that stick out to me:
1)Non-determinism - If what the star child says is true, then Shepard lives in what is an essentially deterministic universe. No matter what Shepard - or anybody else does - his actions will not and can not have any real impact on the trajectory of history. The starchild says that synthetics are not only likely to wipe out organic life, but they are destined to do it!
If that is true, then what the hell was the point of Legion's character and of the peacemaking between Quarians and Geth? Was it just to get a few more war assets? I call bull**** on that. Is Legion's willingness to join forces with organics to defeat the Reapers just an aberration that has no importance in the long run? For chrissakes, he sacrifices himself for the sake of peace - and then we're just supposed to turn around and accept the notion that his death was ultimately just a big ****ing joke? And why has the ME series gone out of its way to demonstrate that there is no reason why synthetics and organics have to be in conflict, only to get to the end and say, "Haha, we were just kidding about that stuff. Your two civilizations are predestined to remain in mortal conflict until all biological life is dead!" I mean, really? The starchild presents absolutely no evidence to backup this extraordinary claim, and we're just supposed to take his word for it? Hell no.
2) The futility of attempting to control the Reapers - one of the major themes of ME3 is that if a person sets out to control the Reapers, what he ultimately ends up doing is serving their purposes. Hell, TIM learns that lesson in a pretty harsh way just moments before Shepard meets the starchild, but then Shepard is supposed to ignore that lesson completely and decide, against all available evidence, that control is not only a viable option, but it is the "paragon" option? To quote the esteemable Chewbacca Defense, "THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!"
Sorry, that turned out to be more of a rant than I intended. I guess I just needed to get that off my chest.
I'm going to shamelessly quote something I wrote yesterday because I am curious what people think about mybarely coherent ravingflawless argument.
Legion did not sacrifice himself for peace. He did it to improve the quality of his race and ensured that they survived. The geth were already willing to be peaceful with the quarians but didn't trust them until now because of the statistical likeliness of them attacking.
If you tell Legion to stop the upload he tries to kill you. Survival is much more important to legion than peace.
Modifié par Big Bad, 21 avril 2012 - 05:14 .
Skillz1986 wrote...
It is definitely nothing. i just thought i'd mention it. really this sound stupid, but i pit my headphones on for my current playthrough. because without my headphones i have been missing like 90% of the ambient sounds.
Anyway..since vega won't shu up abou the hum in the shuttle area, i though i'd check it out. there is ahum,and although it is definitely attributed to all the machinery it stuff, i really think it sounds like the slowed down version of "je ne regrette rien" used in inception as their wake up song. as i said...i am not trying to proof anything by this, really. but i'd thought it'd be funny to mention and see if others think the same way. for everybody who knows what i'm talking about, check it out. but do so with headphones..or a really good sound system. mine sucks by the way
Modifié par EpyonX3, 21 avril 2012 - 05:14 .
Big Bad wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
Big Bad wrote...
Big Bad wrote...
One potential argument in favor of IT that I don't think is brought up enough is the fact that the ending, if taken at face value, goes out of its way to contradict many of the series' major themes up to this point. I am sure are more thematic contradictions, but these are two that stick out to me:
1)Non-determinism - If what the star child says is true, then Shepard lives in what is an essentially deterministic universe. No matter what Shepard - or anybody else does - his actions will not and can not have any real impact on the trajectory of history. The starchild says that synthetics are not only likely to wipe out organic life, but they are destined to do it!
If that is true, then what the hell was the point of Legion's character and of the peacemaking between Quarians and Geth? Was it just to get a few more war assets? I call bull**** on that. Is Legion's willingness to join forces with organics to defeat the Reapers just an aberration that has no importance in the long run? For chrissakes, he sacrifices himself for the sake of peace - and then we're just supposed to turn around and accept the notion that his death was ultimately just a big ****ing joke? And why has the ME series gone out of its way to demonstrate that there is no reason why synthetics and organics have to be in conflict, only to get to the end and say, "Haha, we were just kidding about that stuff. Your two civilizations are predestined to remain in mortal conflict until all biological life is dead!" I mean, really? The starchild presents absolutely no evidence to backup this extraordinary claim, and we're just supposed to take his word for it? Hell no.
2) The futility of attempting to control the Reapers - one of the major themes of ME3 is that if a person sets out to control the Reapers, what he ultimately ends up doing is serving their purposes. Hell, TIM learns that lesson in a pretty harsh way just moments before Shepard meets the starchild, but then Shepard is supposed to ignore that lesson completely and decide, against all available evidence, that control is not only a viable option, but it is the "paragon" option? To quote the esteemable Chewbacca Defense, "THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!"
Sorry, that turned out to be more of a rant than I intended. I guess I just needed to get that off my chest.
I'm going to shamelessly quote something I wrote yesterday because I am curious what people think about mybarely coherent ravingflawless argument.
Legion did not sacrifice himself for peace. He did it to improve the quality of his race and ensured that they survived. The geth were already willing to be peaceful with the quarians but didn't trust them until now because of the statistical likeliness of them attacking.
If you tell Legion to stop the upload he tries to kill you. Survival is much more important to legion than peace.
Hmmm....are you talking about the "best" ending? I didn't try to stop Legion with that ending, so you may be correct. In any case, I think there is ample evidence throughout the series pointing to the conclusion that interactions between synthetics and organics need not inevitably descend into mortal conflict. Thematically speaking, what is the point of having the ability to end one of the most prominent conflicts in the entire series only to learn that your actions were ultimately pointless?
edit: grammar
EpyonX3 wrote...
Big Bad wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
Big Bad wrote...
Big Bad wrote...
One potential argument in favor of IT that I don't think is brought up enough is the fact that the ending, if taken at face value, goes out of its way to contradict many of the series' major themes up to this point. I am sure are more thematic contradictions, but these are two that stick out to me:
1)Non-determinism - If what the star child says is true, then Shepard lives in what is an essentially deterministic universe. No matter what Shepard - or anybody else does - his actions will not and can not have any real impact on the trajectory of history. The starchild says that synthetics are not only likely to wipe out organic life, but they are destined to do it!
If that is true, then what the hell was the point of Legion's character and of the peacemaking between Quarians and Geth? Was it just to get a few more war assets? I call bull**** on that. Is Legion's willingness to join forces with organics to defeat the Reapers just an aberration that has no importance in the long run? For chrissakes, he sacrifices himself for the sake of peace - and then we're just supposed to turn around and accept the notion that his death was ultimately just a big ****ing joke? And why has the ME series gone out of its way to demonstrate that there is no reason why synthetics and organics have to be in conflict, only to get to the end and say, "Haha, we were just kidding about that stuff. Your two civilizations are predestined to remain in mortal conflict until all biological life is dead!" I mean, really? The starchild presents absolutely no evidence to backup this extraordinary claim, and we're just supposed to take his word for it? Hell no.
2) The futility of attempting to control the Reapers - one of the major themes of ME3 is that if a person sets out to control the Reapers, what he ultimately ends up doing is serving their purposes. Hell, TIM learns that lesson in a pretty harsh way just moments before Shepard meets the starchild, but then Shepard is supposed to ignore that lesson completely and decide, against all available evidence, that control is not only a viable option, but it is the "paragon" option? To quote the esteemable Chewbacca Defense, "THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!"
Sorry, that turned out to be more of a rant than I intended. I guess I just needed to get that off my chest.
I'm going to shamelessly quote something I wrote yesterday because I am curious what people think about mybarely coherent ravingflawless argument.
Legion did not sacrifice himself for peace. He did it to improve the quality of his race and ensured that they survived. The geth were already willing to be peaceful with the quarians but didn't trust them until now because of the statistical likeliness of them attacking.
If you tell Legion to stop the upload he tries to kill you. Survival is much more important to legion than peace.
Hmmm....are you talking about the "best" ending? I didn't try to stop Legion with that ending, so you may be correct. In any case, I think there is ample evidence throughout the series pointing to the conclusion that interactions between synthetics and organics need not inevitably descend into mortal conflict. Thematically speaking, what is the point of having the ability to end one of the most prominent conflicts in the entire series only to learn that your actions were ultimately pointless?
edit: grammar
Even before you make the hard choice to save the geth, the quarians or both, Legion says, "We regret the deaths of the Creator, but we don't see any other way." So even before that Legion and the Geth were pretty sure they wanted to suvive even if that meant killing all the quarians.
But I do agree with you though. That's why I believe the Destory option is the renegade choice. You forget all of that stuff and kill the reapers anyway along with anything else in the way.
Now Bioware sees it differently, but I think control, when taken at face vaalue, is the best ending because it's less destructive and give you direct influence over the strongest force in the galaxy.
Synthesis is a middle ground because there are a lot of people in the galaxy that hate synthetics. I would imagine that people discovering that they're part synthetic and had no say in the matter would make them commit suicide.
balance5050 wrote...
So.. in this vid that analyzes some dream soundfx, it kinda sounds like "Harbinger", right at 0:45 in the "wwise_norhub_dreams.006" file.
WARNING! SUPER CREEPY!
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