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ZerebusPrime wrote...

Has anyone gone through this... gee.... 1642 page thread and distilled out all the pieces of evidence?


Thread discusssing it: http://social.biowar...5589/1#11485833

Blog putting all the points in one place: http://parabolee.blogspot.com/

Acavyos youtube video that will help glue some things together:

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Blergh...

It's 2:00 in the morning here, and I'm tired as hell!
Good luck finding new evidence and/or other interesting stuff!
Goodbye!

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Funny side note: I think, I have just encountered hologram kid''s little nephew (in ME1). In the Signal Tracking side quest (http://masseffect.wi...Signal_Tracking), the AI states that organics can only control or destroy AIs.

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schneeland wrote...

Funny side note: I think, I have just encountered hologram kid''s little nephew (in ME1). In the Signal Tracking side quest (http://masseffect.wi...Signal_Tracking), the AI states that organics can only control or destroy AIs.


I remember running into that AI. There wasn't any "coexist" arguement available to Shepard (or at least not one that convinced the AI) and your only option was to disarm the self destruct and destroy it.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

schneeland wrote...

Funny side note: I think, I have just encountered hologram kid''s little nephew (in ME1). In the Signal Tracking side quest (http://masseffect.wi...Signal_Tracking), the AI states that organics can only control or destroy AIs.


I remember running into that AI. There wasn't any "coexist" arguement available to Shepard (or at least not one that convinced the AI) and your only option was to disarm the self destruct and destroy it.


The devs must of discovered Space Hippys...

"Hey myaaan, can't we all just get along myaaan? Come join the celebration, we got a bio-synthetic orgy going on over there. We're gonna make a new framework myaaan!"

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MintyCool wrote...

Hard to debate facts? Another win for Mintycool.

Checkmate.

Damn you're pretty awesome.. Another win for Minty, congrats bro the girls dig that.

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Ok so I'm rewatching Shepard's breath scene on youtube (quality not as good as seeing it firsthand but I don't have time to replay the entire ending so many times). A few hundred or so pages ago someone did a comparison of that scene pointing out the "vehicle" structure, circled 2 potential wheels near the top of the scren, looked a Lot like a overturned Mako.

Watching it again, near the bottom of the screen as it pans up toward that circular/oval smooth object, just before that big object and under the "vehicle" you can just about make out a clear Mako wheel. If you go to view it again make sure you full screen and max out quality on the vid, Anyone with screenshots (i have none) would be helpful.

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Bleh.

At the end, it comes down to this.

The RGB endings are a terrible piece of narrative. To me, this means that Bioware messed up or ran out of time to properly end ME3. We know that the last 3 months were hellish and the game was already delayed once. These kind of things are extremely common in the industry and explain a lot of what was shown as "proofs" by the IT side (Assets reusing, which is a whole another topic).

On the other hand, the IT assumes that Bioware created 3 "bad" endings in order to reveal something even greater later. Something that is still not announced, almost 2 months after the release. That's such a gigantic waste of assets and time that I cannot believe that any studio would be OK with such a thing. But that's just me.

I'll bookmark this topic and come back during the summer when the "Extended Cut" comes out.

Modifié par DTKT, 22 avril 2012 - 12:37 .


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DTKT wrote...

Bleh.

At the end, it comes down to this.

The RGB endings are a terrible piece of narrative. To me, this means that Bioware messed or ran out of time to properly end ME3. These kind of things are extremely common in the industry and explain a lot of what was shown as "proofs" by the IT side.

On the other hand, the IT assumes that Bioware created 3 "bad" endings in order to reveal something even greater later.


"It can't be true because I don't like it and here's some other vague opinions and insinuations to support my worthless, uninformed opinion. "

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BatmanTurian wrote...

DTKT wrote...

Bleh.

At the end, it comes down to this.

The RGB endings are a terrible piece of narrative. To me, this means that Bioware messed or ran out of time to properly end ME3. These kind of things are extremely common in the industry and explain a lot of what was shown as "proofs" by the IT side.

On the other hand, the IT assumes that Bioware created 3 "bad" endings in order to reveal something even greater later.


"It can't be true because I don't like it and here's some other vague opinions and insinuations to support my worthless, uninformed opinion. "


What I hate is the silence from EA/Bioware. I wish they could give us a tentative date for the extras, 'cause as far I am concerned, "summer" means August. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst!:mellow:

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Ok so I'm rewatching Shepard's breath scene on youtube (quality not as good as seeing it firsthand but I don't have time to replay the entire ending so many times). A few hundred or so pages ago someone did a comparison of that scene pointing out the "vehicle" structure, circled 2 potential wheels near the top of the scren, looked a Lot like a overturned Mako.

Watching it again, near the bottom of the screen as it pans up toward that circular/oval smooth object, just before that big object and under the "vehicle" you can just about make out a clear Mako wheel. If you go to view it again make sure you full screen and max out quality on the vid, Anyone with screenshots (i have none) would be helpful.


Yeah we talked about it a couple hundred pages back. We lightened it up and looked at it and it does seem to be an upside-down mako, perhaps the true version of the mako you saw near the beam?

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FreedMason wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

DTKT wrote...

Bleh.

At the end, it comes down to this.

The RGB endings are a terrible piece of narrative. To me, this means that Bioware messed or ran out of time to properly end ME3. These kind of things are extremely common in the industry and explain a lot of what was shown as "proofs" by the IT side.

On the other hand, the IT assumes that Bioware created 3 "bad" endings in order to reveal something even greater later.


"It can't be true because I don't like it and here's some other vague opinions and insinuations to support my worthless, uninformed opinion. "


What I hate is the silence from EA/Bioware. I wish they could give us a tentative date for the extras, 'cause as far I am concerned, "summer" means August. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst!:mellow:

I hear ya. They could at least throw us a few breadcrumbs. We're starving and eating each other.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

DTKT wrote...

Bleh.

At the end, it comes down to this.

The RGB endings are a terrible piece of narrative. To me, this means that Bioware messed or ran out of time to properly end ME3. These kind of things are extremely common in the industry and explain a lot of what was shown as "proofs" by the IT side.

On the other hand, the IT assumes that Bioware created 3 "bad" endings in order to reveal something even greater later.


"It can't be true because I don't like it and here's some other vague opinions and insinuations to support my worthless, uninformed opinion. "


Being hostile doesn't help your case. What is up with you. :|

Modifié par DTKT, 22 avril 2012 - 12:39 .


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DTKT wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

DTKT wrote...

Bleh.

At the end, it comes down to this.

The RGB endings are a terrible piece of narrative. To me, this means that Bioware messed or ran out of time to properly end ME3. These kind of things are extremely common in the industry and explain a lot of what was shown as "proofs" by the IT side.

On the other hand, the IT assumes that Bioware created 3 "bad" endings in order to reveal something even greater later.


"It can't be true because I don't like it and here's some other vague opinions and insinuations to support my worthless, uninformed opinion. "


Being hostile doesn't help your case. What is up with you. :|


Hostile? No, I'm just being blunt. I posted three links so that you could look into all of the evidence that's been gathered and you posted that. You come in here and insult us and you expect us to treat you with respect? At least have the courtesy of giving some of your own and opening your mind to the possibility that you might be wrong. I know it will hurt your pride, but it'll build character.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Ok so I'm rewatching Shepard's breath scene on youtube (quality not as good as seeing it firsthand but I don't have time to replay the entire ending so many times). A few hundred or so pages ago someone did a comparison of that scene pointing out the "vehicle" structure, circled 2 potential wheels near the top of the scren, looked a Lot like a overturned Mako.

Watching it again, near the bottom of the screen as it pans up toward that circular/oval smooth object, just before that big object and under the "vehicle" you can just about make out a clear Mako wheel. If you go to view it again make sure you full screen and max out quality on the vid, Anyone with screenshots (i have none) would be helpful.


Yeah we talked about it a couple hundred pages back. We lightened it up and looked at it and it does seem to be an upside-down mako, perhaps the true version of the mako you saw near the beam?


I remember that conversation. I only remember 2 supposed tires being circled in those images, was the third one ever mentioned? I swear you can almost make out the tire pattern of the wheel I'm seeing. This vid is best quality I can find on youtube at the moment, still looking for something higher res: link

Foward to about 4:31 for the start of the breath scene, the "wheel" I'm seeing is at about 4:38 bottom right of the vid. Make sure you full view high res that maybe even turn up brightness as it's a pretty dark scene, I swear  can see Mako treads ><.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Ok so I'm rewatching Shepard's breath scene on youtube (quality not as good as seeing it firsthand but I don't have time to replay the entire ending so many times). A few hundred or so pages ago someone did a comparison of that scene pointing out the "vehicle" structure, circled 2 potential wheels near the top of the scren, looked a Lot like a overturned Mako.

Watching it again, near the bottom of the screen as it pans up toward that circular/oval smooth object, just before that big object and under the "vehicle" you can just about make out a clear Mako wheel. If you go to view it again make sure you full screen and max out quality on the vid, Anyone with screenshots (i have none) would be helpful.


Yeah we talked about it a couple hundred pages back. We lightened it up and looked at it and it does seem to be an upside-down mako, perhaps the true version of the mako you saw near the beam?


I remember that conversation. I only remember 2 supposed tires being circled in those images, was the third one ever mentioned? I swear you can almost make out the tire pattern of the wheel I'm seeing. This vid is best quality I can find on youtube at the moment, still looking for something higher res: link

Foward to about 4:31 for the start of the breath scene, the "wheel" I'm seeing is at about 4:38 bottom right of the vid. Make sure you full view high res that maybe even turn up brightness as it's a pretty dark scene, I swear  can see Mako treads ><.


I'm pretty sure we all agreed it was a mako and after EponyX3 hemmed and hawed a litlle about the smoke in that scene covering that area, even he said it was interesting.

Edit: You're right that there is a third wheel there.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 22 avril 2012 - 12:51 .


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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...


I remember that conversation. I only remember 2 supposed tires being circled in those images, was the third one ever mentioned? I swear you can almost make out the tire pattern of the wheel I'm seeing. This vid is best quality I can find on youtube at the moment, still looking for something higher res: link

Foward to about 4:31 for the start of the breath scene, the "wheel" I'm seeing is at about 4:38 bottom right of the vid. Make sure you full view high res that maybe even turn up brightness as it's a pretty dark scene, I swear  can see Mako treads ><.


I know we saw tire treads on the wheels back then. Lemme find the image.


Ah, here we go: Posted Image

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byne wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...


I remember that conversation. I only remember 2 supposed tires being circled in those images, was the third one ever mentioned? I swear you can almost make out the tire pattern of the wheel I'm seeing. This vid is best quality I can find on youtube at the moment, still looking for something higher res: link

Foward to about 4:31 for the start of the breath scene, the "wheel" I'm seeing is at about 4:38 bottom right of the vid. Make sure you full view high res that maybe even turn up brightness as it's a pretty dark scene, I swear  can see Mako treads ><.


I know we saw tire treads on the wheels back then. Lemme find the image.


Ah, here we go: Posted Image


We should get Parabolee to get that on her blog

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Here, the green circle, look for that when looking at the breath scene again. Much easier to see when in motion than in the screenshot

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Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 22 avril 2012 - 01:05 .


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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Here, the green circle, look for that when looking at the breath scene again. Much easier to see when in motion than in the screenshot

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wow that kind of looks like a burned up tire that got torn off

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With the video in motion it looks even more convincing. Isn't new stuff fun to find? Now I'm happy.

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DTKT wrote...

Bleh.

At the end, it comes down to this.

The RGB endings are a terrible piece of narrative. To me, this means that Bioware messed up or ran out of time to properly end ME3. We know that the last 3 months were hellish and the game was already delayed once. These kind of things are extremely common in the industry and explain a lot of what was shown as "proofs" by the IT side (Assets reusing, which is a whole another topic).

On the other hand, the IT assumes that Bioware created 3 "bad" endings in order to reveal something even greater later. Something that is still not announced, almost 2 months after the release. That's such a gigantic waste of assets and time that I cannot believe that any studio would be OK with such a thing. But that's just me.

I'll bookmark this topic and come back during the summer when the "Extended Cut" comes out.


Half agree.
I believe Bioware intended IT to be true & the literal interpretation to be satisfying to non-believers. Remember its fiction, both ending can actually be true if they executed it better.
They definitely failed at that.

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So what have I missed?

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

With the video in motion it looks even more convincing. Isn't new stuff fun to find? Now I'm happy.

congratulations. good find.

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masster blaster wrote...

So what have I missed?


arguments, trolling, passive aggressive  conversations