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I have a question regarding the game saves, during the citadel scenes I have noticed replayed the game does an automatic save several times during the TIM conversation scenes, why would those go into effect at those cinematic scenes and conversation points? Maybe a dumb question but I noticed that watching clips of the scenes being played over and over again.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

Shepard passes out and wakes up 3 times during the ending sequence... what do you guys think the significance of that is


Three is a universally symbolic number to humans, something to do with symmetry.

Christ was dead three days then rose again......

Shepherd is a Christ-like figure, just like Neo...

Matrix 1 ending...


I mean seriously


I am being serious. That's symbology in action.


I'm not feeling that allusion

#41153
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BatmanTurian wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

Shepard passes out and wakes up 3 times during the ending sequence... what do you guys think the significance of that is


Three is a universally symbolic number to humans, something to do with symmetry.

Christ was dead three days then rose again......

Shepherd is a Christ-like figure, just like Neo...

Matrix 1 ending...


I don't think I'd call him Christ-like, although Bio certain attempts some parallels.

Three blackouts doesn't necessarily mean anything, either. Other than the number having an apparent strong psychological appeal, likely because of its neatness, (small number), while still allowing some non-polar diversity.

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

Shepard passes out and wakes up 3 times during the ending sequence... what do you guys think the significance of that is


Three is a universally symbolic number to humans, something to do with symmetry.

Christ was dead three days then rose again......

Shepherd is a Christ-like figure, just like Neo...

Matrix 1 ending...


I don't think I'd call him Christ-like, although Bio certain attempts some parallels.

Three blackouts doesn't necessarily mean anything, either. Other than the number having an apparent strong psychological appeal, likely because of its neatness, (small number), while still allowing some non-polar diversity.


Christ also had 12 disciples and Shepard has 12 squad mates in ME2.

Edit: removed line due to confused engrish.

Modifié par Icinix, 22 avril 2012 - 03:17 .


#41155
BatmanTurian

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

Shepard passes out and wakes up 3 times during the ending sequence... what do you guys think the significance of that is


Three is a universally symbolic number to humans, something to do with symmetry.

Christ was dead three days then rose again......

Shepherd is a Christ-like figure, just like Neo...

Matrix 1 ending...


I don't think I'd call him Christ-like, although Bio certain attempts some parallels.

Three blackouts doesn't necessarily mean anything, either. Other than the number having an apparent strong psychological appeal, likely because of its neatness, (small number), while still allowing some non-polar diversity.


Uh, hello? He was dead for two years and was brought back to life. Shepherd crossed Christ-like a long time ago...

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Icinix wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

Shepard passes out and wakes up 3 times during the ending sequence... what do you guys think the significance of that is


Three is a universally symbolic number to humans, something to do with symmetry.

Christ was dead three days then rose again......

Shepherd is a Christ-like figure, just like Neo...

Matrix 1 ending...


I don't think I'd call him Christ-like, although Bio certain attempts some parallels.

Three blackouts doesn't necessarily mean anything, either. Other than the number having an apparent strong psychological appeal, likely because of its neatness, (small number), while still allowing some non-polar diversity.


Christ also had 12 disciples and Shepard has 12 squad mates in ME2 - he got those after rising from the dead as well.


oh shi- :o

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Icinix wrote...

Christ also had 12 disciples and Shepard has 12 squad mates in ME2 - he got those after rising from the dead as well.


Although I enjoy the comparison..

Christ had 12 disciples before being crucified.

Modifié par n00bsauce2010, 22 avril 2012 - 03:15 .


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BatmanTurian wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

Shepard passes out and wakes up 3 times during the ending sequence... what do you guys think the significance of that is


Three is a universally symbolic number to humans, something to do with symmetry.

Christ was dead three days then rose again......

Shepherd is a Christ-like figure, just like Neo...

Matrix 1 ending...


I don't think I'd call him Christ-like, although Bio certain attempts some parallels.

Three blackouts doesn't necessarily mean anything, either. Other than the number having an apparent strong psychological appeal, likely because of its neatness, (small number), while still allowing some non-polar diversity.


Uh, hello? He was dead for two years and was brought back to life. Shepherd crossed Christ-like a long time ago...


Vega and others make it clear that people view shepard as something more than human. Hackett, illusive man and miranda all refered to him as a symbol. Tali, liara and Ash all speak of him in awe at one point or another. ( remember me2, ASH more or less refers to shepard as a legend)

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BatmanTurian

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UrgedDuke wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

Shepard passes out and wakes up 3 times during the ending sequence... what do you guys think the significance of that is


Three is a universally symbolic number to humans, something to do with symmetry.

Christ was dead three days then rose again......

Shepherd is a Christ-like figure, just like Neo...

Matrix 1 ending...


I mean seriously


I am being serious. That's symbology in action.


I'm not feeling that allusion


Read Icinix 's post above yours

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n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Christ also had 12 disciples and Shepard has 12 squad mates in ME2 - he got those after rising from the dead as well.


Although I enjoy the comparison..

Christ had 12 disciples before being crucified.


Sorry, wrote like Id say it.

I was merely referencing the fact they both rose from the dead. Not that Christ got his disciples after rising from the dead.

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n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Christ also had 12 disciples and Shepard has 12 squad mates in ME2 - he got those after rising from the dead as well.


Although I enjoy the comparison..

Christ had 12 disciples before being crucified.


Judas betrayed jesus........................... do we se that happen in ME no!

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Icinix wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Christ also had 12 disciples and Shepard has 12 squad mates in ME2 - he got those after rising from the dead as well.


Although I enjoy the comparison..

Christ had 12 disciples before being crucified.


Sorry, wrote like Id say it.

I was merely referencing the fact they both rose from the dead. Not that Christ got his disciples after rising from the dead.


Nontheless... pretty cool. thats definitely there as a reference in my opinion.

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n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Christ also had 12 disciples and Shepard has 12 squad mates in ME2 - he got those after rising from the dead as well.


Although I enjoy the comparison..

Christ had 12 disciples before being crucified.


so it's backwards... the parallel is still there. He/she has united the galaxy and is their "savior" and the only person who can face down the reapers without fear. I mean he/she just screams christ-like.
Even if it's from religion, it is a well-known trope and used often in the Hero's Journey kind of stories.

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UrgedDuke wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Christ also had 12 disciples and Shepard has 12 squad mates in ME2 - he got those after rising from the dead as well.


Although I enjoy the comparison..

Christ had 12 disciples before being crucified.


Judas betrayed jesus........................... do we se that happen in ME no!


Depends on how you handle the VS.  Udina betrays you no matter what.  Also - if indoctrinatin theory is accurate, and i believe it is, then its entirely possible one of the crew has planted some kind of indoctrination device on the Normandy. There is your Judas. LOTS OF SPECULATION!

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UrgedDuke wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Christ also had 12 disciples and Shepard has 12 squad mates in ME2 - he got those after rising from the dead as well.


Although I enjoy the comparison..

Christ had 12 disciples before being crucified.


Judas betrayed jesus........................... do we se that happen in ME no!


Illusive man or Udihna. Take your pick. ;)

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Here's a thought about the Matrix ending. Neo dies trying to save humanity, then comes back to life and proceeds to kick the ever lovin' **** out of the machines (agents).

Shepard "dies" while trying to save humanity due to Harbinger's laser blast, then comes back to life after the destroy ending (assuming your EMS is high enough). Will she then go on to kick the ever lovin' **** out of Harbinger and his gang of misfit robots? Sweet Jesus, I hope so.

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n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Christ also had 12 disciples and Shepard has 12 squad mates in ME2 - he got those after rising from the dead as well.


Although I enjoy the comparison..

Christ had 12 disciples before being crucified.


Sorry, wrote like Id say it.

I was merely referencing the fact they both rose from the dead. Not that Christ got his disciples after rising from the dead.


Nontheless... pretty cool. thats definitely there as a reference in my opinion.


only 10 squadmates if you don't have the DLC

#41168
n00bsauce2010

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Icinix wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Christ also had 12 disciples and Shepard has 12 squad mates in ME2 - he got those after rising from the dead as well.


Although I enjoy the comparison..

Christ had 12 disciples before being crucified.


Judas betrayed jesus........................... do we se that happen in ME no!


Depends on how you handle the VS.  Udina betrays you no matter what.  Also - if indoctrinatin theory is accurate, and i believe it is, then its entirely possible one of the crew has planted some kind of indoctrination device on the Normandy. There is your Judas. LOTS OF SPECULATION!


Miranda is the Judas... actually.. she held the truth from shepard. Remember the reveal about her wanting to put tech inside shep as a safeguard?

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UrgedDuke wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Christ also had 12 disciples and Shepard has 12 squad mates in ME2 - he got those after rising from the dead as well.


Although I enjoy the comparison..

Christ had 12 disciples before being crucified.


Judas betrayed jesus........................... do we se that happen in ME no!


I have it! Joker told the Collectors where to find you in ME2 prologue, that's why we see him fleeing with the Normandy post ME3! He's Judas!

I'm kidding, of course, but gosh, what if.

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Dendio1 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

Shepard passes out and wakes up 3 times during the ending sequence... what do you guys think the significance of that is


Three is a universally symbolic number to humans, something to do with symmetry.

Christ was dead three days then rose again......

Shepherd is a Christ-like figure, just like Neo...

Matrix 1 ending...


I don't think I'd call him Christ-like, although Bio certain attempts some parallels.

Three blackouts doesn't necessarily mean anything, either. Other than the number having an apparent strong psychological appeal, likely because of its neatness, (small number), while still allowing some non-polar diversity.


Uh, hello? He was dead for two years and was brought back to life. Shepherd crossed Christ-like a long time ago...


Vega and others make it clear that people view shepard as something more than human. Hackett, illusive man and miranda all refered to him as a symbol. Tali, liara and Ash all speak of him in awe at one point or another. ( remember me2, ASH more or less refers to shepard as a legend)


Exactly, Shepherd has become the basis for the religion that the Stargazer scene seems to allude to.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Christ also had 12 disciples and Shepard has 12 squad mates in ME2 - he got those after rising from the dead as well.


Although I enjoy the comparison..

Christ had 12 disciples before being crucified.


Judas betrayed jesus........................... do we se that happen in ME no!


Illusive man or Udihna. Take your pick. ;)


Neither TIM or Udina were one of his "disciples" !!!!!!!!!!!!:P

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Big Bad wrote...

Here's a thought about the Matrix ending. Neo dies trying to save humanity, then comes back to life and proceeds to kick the ever lovin' **** out of the machines (agents).

Shepard "dies" while trying to save humanity due to Harbinger's laser blast, then comes back to life after the destroy ending (assuming your EMS is high enough). Will she then go on to kick the ever lovin' **** out of Harbinger and his gang of misfit robots? Sweet Jesus, I hope so.


Exactly! this is what I'm saying.

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Big Bad wrote...

Here's a thought about the Matrix ending. Neo dies trying to save humanity, then comes back to life and proceeds to kick the ever lovin' **** out of the machines (agents).

Shepard "dies" while trying to save humanity due to Harbinger's laser blast, then comes back to life after the destroy ending (assuming your EMS is high enough). Will she then go on to kick the ever lovin' **** out of Harbinger and his gang of misfit robots? Sweet Jesus, I hope so.


Although its a little cliche (but at this stage, Shepard is a legend, so we're beyond that) - I would love to see indoctrination theory as Shepard being the first person to ever beat indoctrination which then leads to a way to prevent indoctrination.

Without indoctrination, opens up a world of possible fronts against the Reaper. The ability to study them in more detail etc.

Modifié par Icinix, 22 avril 2012 - 03:23 .


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UrgedDuke wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Christ also had 12 disciples and Shepard has 12 squad mates in ME2 - he got those after rising from the dead as well.


Although I enjoy the comparison..

Christ had 12 disciples before being crucified.


Judas betrayed jesus........................... do we se that happen in ME no!


Illusive man or Udihna. Take your pick. ;)


Neither TIM or Udina were one of his "disciples" !!!!!!!!!!!!:P


it doesn't have to be exact. Now you're just being nitpicky.

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