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lex0r11 wrote...

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((( MOVE ALONG PEOPLE, nothing to see here )))


Wat?


My thoughts exactly

*insert baffled demotivational poster here*


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 Brilliant, sir!  You never disappoint!

#41252
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Hey folks, back from my day of DMing, what's new? That jackass MintyCool still around?

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Auralius Carolus

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey folks, back from my day of DMing, what's new? That jackass MintyCool still around?


Haven't seen him in a while.

Well, new wise, we've established that a series of codes are created after the Destruction Ending, but none after the other two, effectively sorting the the endings into two categories.

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lex0r11 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

byne wrote...

Sero303 wrote...

((( MOVE ALONG PEOPLE, nothing to see here )))


Wat?


My thoughts exactly

*insert baffled demotivational poster here*


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I just had this image in my mind of "Officer Barbardy" (not sure of spelling) from South Park, "Move along people, nothing to see here" and 9 times out of 10 there is something really cool, like for instance a massive super space battle between unthinkably ancient death monster space ships and the combined fleets of the galaxy around the "on/off" switch to the "Galactic Genocide Kitchen Blender 5000" AKA: Citadel/Catalyst.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey folks, back from my day of DMing, what's new? That jackass MintyCool still around?


You missed some random trolls a few hours ago. And the usual discussions. And I found a 3rd "Mako wheel" in the "Shepard's breath" scene. Then more discussions and here we are.

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Arian Dynas

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I saw, also just because I could, reported that jagoff. Bastard shouldn't get away with the **** he tried to pull.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey folks, back from my day of DMing, what's new? That jackass MintyCool still around?


You missed some random trolls a few hours ago. And the usual discussions. And I found a 3rd "Mako wheel" in the "Shepard's breath" scene. Then more discussions and here we are.


- random troll appears - Go Pokeball - 1 shake, 2 shake, 3 shake, victory chime plays - Congratulaions, would you like to name Trollsaurus

Sorry that just popped into my head when you said random troll.

- I am the Legion of 109 and I'm the disturber of the disturbed - :o

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Auralius Carolus

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Legion109 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey folks, back from my day of DMing, what's new? That jackass MintyCool still around?


You missed some random trolls a few hours ago. And the usual discussions. And I found a 3rd "Mako wheel" in the "Shepard's breath" scene. Then more discussions and here we are.


- random troll appears - Go Pokeball - 1 shake, 2 shake, 3 shake, victory chime plays - Congratulaions, would you like to name Trollsaurus

Sorry that just popped into my head when you said random troll.

- I am the Legion of 109 and I'm the disturber of the disturbed - :o


Someone found the Weekend BSN Booze Bottle.

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Arian Dynas

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byne wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

byne wrote...

Sero303 wrote...

((( MOVE ALONG PEOPLE, nothing to see here )))


Wat?


My thoughts exactly

*insert baffled demotivational poster here*


I suppose we should take his advice then, and move along from his post. He's right that theres nothing to see there.


Zdest nichego nyet.

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

Someone found the Weekend BSN Booze Bottle.


You want some I'll share.

=]

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BatmanTurian wrote...

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Shepard passes out and wakes up 3 times during the ending sequence... what do you guys think the significance of that is


Three is a universally symbolic number to humans, something to do with symmetry.

Christ was dead three days then rose again......

Shepherd is a Christ-like figure, just like Neo...

Matrix 1 ending...


I mean seriously


I am being serious. That's symbology in action.



No, Grunt's loyalty mission, a puberty rite that ends with beating a worm whose only attack is to spit goo at you, that's symbolism. That... that's just... no.

Auralius Carolus wrote...

That doesn't make him Christ-like. Transcending death was a semi-common part of Eastern/Near Eastern Fables.

As I said, the developer drew several strong parallels, but Shepard is fundamentally different from Christ. He, in numerous ways, is more akin to a Greek hero/pseudo diety like Heracles.


This. What do people remember Christ most for? Besides the whole "saving everyone" thing? That's right, he was huge on peace and forgiveness. Turn the other cheek and all that. Shepard? Shepard is covered in guns.

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Auralius Carolus

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Legion109 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Someone found the Weekend BSN Booze Bottle.


You want some I'll share.

=]


Sorry, I don't do alcohol.

Just don't drive and avoid vomitting on me and we'll be fine. Posted Image

Anyway, I'm hitting the clock people. The best thing about Saturday Night/Sunday Morning graveyard shift duty is all the ghost programming on TV. Posted Image

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Rifneno wrote...

This. What do people remember Christ most for? Besides the whole "saving everyone" thing? That's right, he was huge on peace and forgiveness. Turn the other cheek and all that. Shepard? Shepard is covered in guns.


Oh, hey there Badger. Yep, Christ was a divine that stepped down to the level of a man; a Lord that was sacrificed for the peasant; a keystone in that which was and was not, mortal and immortal- a real philisophical transient that defied the notions of many of his contemporaries.

But for the record, I still love guns.

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No posts in an hour? Hm I should say something intelligent...but it's kind of late. Here's a somewhat off topic question though:
Do you guys think Bioware would release a "remastered" Mass Effect trilogy in a few years? ME1 and 2 upgraded to 3's combat and graphic engine. Maybe some new story lines, improved dialogue? I think it'd be worth the buy.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

No posts in an hour? Hm I should say something intelligent...but it's kind of late. Here's a somewhat off topic question though:
Do you guys think Bioware would release a "remastered" Mass Effect trilogy in a few years? ME1 and 2 upgraded to 3's combat and graphic engine. Maybe some new story lines, improved dialogue? I think it'd be worth the buy.



ME 1 remastered? 
 
would be awsome

ME 2?

doesn't need it.

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googleitnow wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

No posts in an hour? Hm I should say something intelligent...but it's kind of late. Here's a somewhat off topic question though:
Do you guys think Bioware would release a "remastered" Mass Effect trilogy in a few years? ME1 and 2 upgraded to 3's combat and graphic engine. Maybe some new story lines, improved dialogue? I think it'd be worth the buy.



ME 1 remastered? 
 
would be awsome

ME 2?

doesn't need it.


Just a phrase. Maybe "refined" or "expanded" would be more like it.

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Hello again.

Is it safe to come in? Is mintycool still around?
Oh, and did anyone find anything interesting?

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Elloooooooooooo
just wanted to ask the same thing.. news?

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estebanus wrote...

Hello again.

Is it safe to come in? Is mintycool still around?
Oh, and did anyone find anything interesting?


The mentions a few pages back about the code changes were interesting in way book. Basically if you choose destroy there is a new SetID code that does not occur if you choose synth or control, this could just be the trigger for the breath scene but who knows... Also there is mention of additional save games (autosave like) that is made after you finish the game.


Otherwise i suspect all you non-Aussies are dreaming your little dreams (or you're being indoctrinated)

Modifié par Gormane01, 22 avril 2012 - 08:40 .


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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

No posts in an hour? Hm I should say something intelligent...but it's kind of late. Here's a somewhat off topic question though:
Do you guys think Bioware would release a "remastered" Mass Effect trilogy in a few years? ME1 and 2 upgraded to 3's combat and graphic engine. Maybe some new story lines, improved dialogue? I think it'd be worth the buy.


An interesting question..... Hmmmmm

How about. No, No, Hell No Mass effect does not need to follow the path of Star Wars.

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Gormane01 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Hello again.

Is it safe to come in? Is mintycool still around?
Oh, and did anyone find anything interesting?


The mentions a few pages back about the code changes were interesting in way book. Basically if you choose destroy there is a new SetID code that does not occur if you choose synth or control, this could just be the trigger for the breath scene but who knows... Also there is mention of additional save games (autosave like) that is made after you finish the game.


Otherwise i suspect all you non-Aussies are dreaming your little dreams (or you're being indoctrinated)


Hmm, really?

Well, that DOES sound interesting! :)

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I would like to hear what IT theorists think about Weekes' comments in regards to things like the Mass Relays (it was a long time ago but whatever). Just reading through some of the Q&As, Weekes responds in frank terms about the fact that the Relays, contrary to popular opinion, didn't explode but overloaded. Now, if IT is true, why wouldn't Weekes toe the BW line and just say "wait until the DLC comes out" and not talk about them in such details, esp. as it was not his, or BW's, intention to people to look too deeply into them? Under IT, does it really matter if the relays would explode or overload? No. And so why make up a crappy excuse about how the Relays overloaded when in actuality, they didn't (if you believe IT)?

If you also look at how he tries to reassures the interviewer that not everyone had died on the Citadel, not everything had been in vain,

"-Did anyone on the Citadel survive?

Yes. We would never, ever do anything that made the player feel, on replay, that it would be better for everyone on the Citadel if they just died"

This seems to suggest strongly that BW thought hard about whether they were going to make everyone on the Citadel die or not, and decided not to. Now, if IT is true, why even make that decision, it is not important at all? Why even think about it, since the Citadel is symbolic (of whatever)?

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Another thing: That secret nonloadable save (which is created after you finish and which is neither the autosave not the NG+ save), has endgame state: Not finished.
To compare; the newgameplus savegame has endgame state: livedtofightagain

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SubAstris wrote...

"-Did anyone on the Citadel survive?

Yes. We would never, ever do anything that made the player feel, on replay, that it would be better for everyone on the Citadel if they just died"

This seems to suggest strongly that BW thought hard about whether they were going to make everyone on the Citadel die or not, and decided not to. Now, if IT is true, why even make that decision, it is not important at all? Why even think about it, since the Citadel is symbolic (of whatever)?


Whether or not anything after Harbinger's blast actually happened, the Reapers had already seized control of the Citadel before you even went to Earth. I figure the question is more about if they killed everyone when they took over or not.

And the whole never do anything that would make people feel better if everyone died thing didnt exactly pan out, since I'd rather the Reapers win than destroy galactic civilization forever as the current endings do.

Anyhow, its 5:20am here, so I'm off to bed.

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@subastris
1: didn't you want to to leave? Sorry, don't get me wrong. You're asking legitimate questions and everyone is alright with it. but you've mentioned sometime ago, you were about to leave.and you sure have a hard time doing so.

2:mass relays overloading...take a good hard look at them in the vids. do they lool like they've just overloaded? When something literaly flies appart, it definetly blew up.

3: the citadel is seized no matter what. IT kicks in AFTER you get hit by harbinger. and assumes that everything afterwards is either fully or partially a dream (two sides on this one). So, since the reapers have invaded the citadel, even with IT one can and should be worried about the people on the citadel.