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Uncle Jo

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People, the only aguments which could give credit to the IT are :

1. The Dreams of Shep during the game.
2. "No one made it to the beam" (major Coates).
3. Marauder Shields and the three Huskettiers.
4. The Normandy and the Squadmates would NEVER have had chicken out and left the battle, while Shep didn't even make his choice.
5. Eventually Shep wake up on Earth (cause it would be pretty much impossible on the Citadel).

Anything else is irrelevant. Don't confuse tricks (or laziness) of the devs with hints, you're discrediting yourselves.


I personally take the actual ending as face-value----> rushed and scr***d up.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 22 avril 2012 - 12:25 .


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Uncle Jo wrote...

People, the only aguments which could give credit to the IT are :

1. The Dreams of Shep during the game.
2. "No one made it to the beam" (major Coates).
3. Marauder Shields and the three Huskettiers.
4. The Normandy and the Squadmates would NEVER have had chicken out and left the battle, while Shep didn't even make his choice.
5. Eventually Shep wake up on Earth (cause it would be pretty much impossible on the Citadel).

Anything else is irrelevant. Don't confuse tricks (or laziness) of the devs with hints, you're discrediting yourselves.


I personally take the actual ending as face-value----> rushed and scr***d up.


"People, the only aguments which could give credit to the IT are"

translation: the only evidence that is, in my opinion, plausible for IT are these items in this list. Everything else should be ignored or played down.

#41353
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HellishFiend wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


Mako evidence? You mean there being three circular objects on the Citadel, therefore Shepard is thinking of the Mako? I thought people had got past that laughable piece of "evidence" quite frankly.

Excuse me if I am wrong on what you mean and are actually referring to something else.


No, I'm referring to this:

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Sorry, but I think it's stretching it way too far to say there's a wheel there. Your picture shows a VERY heavily touched up shot of the breath scene, all colors and gamma are off the scale.

Here is one with original colors and only slightly upped gamma - there's nothing to be seen there except shadows.

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And the beam structure noted on the picture can just as likely be part of the crucible platforms.

Pieces of what appears to be concrete is really the only solid thing left to claim it's not the Citadel.

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Uncle Jo wrote...

Anything else is irrelevant. Don't confuse tricks (or laziness) of the devs with hints, you're discrediting yourselves.




We disagree; thanks for your contribution. 

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Skillz1986 wrote...

Why don't yo just do it yourself?


On this link:



Shephard breathe scene starts 8:00 onwards, where exactly is it, should look out for when?

I have a video of the breathe scene that I have manipulated many times to see this "elusive wheel", there is however nothing that would indicate that it is in fact there or you can put to conclusively that there is a wheel matching the Mako description.

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pro5 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


Mako evidence? You mean there being three circular objects on the Citadel, therefore Shepard is thinking of the Mako? I thought people had got past that laughable piece of "evidence" quite frankly.

Excuse me if I am wrong on what you mean and are actually referring to something else.


No, I'm referring to this:

Posted Image


Sorry, but I think it's stretching it way too far to say there's a wheel there. Your picture shows a VERY heavily touched up shot of the breath scene, all colors and gamma are off the scale.

Here is one with original colors and only slightly upped gamma - there's nothing to be seen there except shadows.

Posted Image 

And the beam structure noted on the picture can just as likely be part of the crucible platforms.

Pieces of what appears to be concrete is really the only solid thing left to claim it's not the Citadel.



Of course it's fake, that is the only thing IT have left really. It is so heavily changed yet still very inconclusive.

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Uncle Jo wrote...

People, the only aguments which could give credit to the IT are :

1. The Dreams of Shep during the game.
2. "No one made it to the beam" (major Coates).
3. Marauder Shields and the three Huskettiers.
4. The Normandy and the Squadmates would NEVER have had chicken out and left the battle, while Shep didn't even make his choice.
5. Eventually Shep wake up on Earth (cause it would be pretty much impossible on the Citadel).

Anything else is irrelevant. Don't confuse tricks (or laziness) of the devs with hints, you're discrediting yourselves.


I personally take the actual ending as face-value----> rushed and scr***d up.


Thanks for clarifying for us.  Now go away.

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n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Christ also had 12 disciples and Shepard has 12 squad mates in ME2 - he got those after rising from the dead as well.


Although I enjoy the comparison..

Christ had 12 disciples before being crucified.

And they were all men.

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Fake? Too bad the picture was provided by epyonx who is essentially againts it. he brightened the picture so we could better recognize what's in them. it's not fake..it is just brightened up.

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UrgedDuke wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Christ also had 12 disciples and Shepard has 12 squad mates in ME2 - he got those after rising from the dead as well.


Although I enjoy the comparison..

Christ had 12 disciples before being crucified.


Judas betrayed jesus........................... do we se that happen in ME no!

Ashley/Kaiden on horizon? (or whatever that place was called)

Or TIM?
Or that female doctor at arival.

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SubAstris

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Skillz1986 wrote...

Fake? Too bad the picture was provided by epyonx who is essentially againts it. he brightened the picture so we could better recognize what's in them. it's not fake..it is just brightened up.


I mean it is what we saw in-game. Regardless, it is an absolutely shocking piece of evidence for IT

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Unless you can't explain to me what the rubbe and the supposed mako are doing on the citadel..yes it very well is.

#41363
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Just ignore them.

It's just easier for them to assume Bioware screwed up than it is to admit that after 100hours of game play they failed in the last seconds of the game.

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Skillz1986 wrote...

Unless you can't explain to me what the rubbe and the supposed mako are doing on the citadel..yes it very well is.

Emm, for example, Citadel just fell down on the Earth near the beam (there were some makos around)

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Are you serious? Are you trying to tell me that shepard survived reentry?

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Delmor wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Unless you can't explain to me what the rubbe and the supposed mako are doing on the citadel..yes it very well is.

Emm, for example, Citadel just fell down on the Earth near the beam (there were some makos around)


Yeah and Shepard just happened to survive Orbital reentry without helmet, kinetic barriers and in a burned out armor. Oh and the 8 km wide fireball cpable of destroying quantum shielded material, he just survived that one as well.

Not even mentioning that if something as big as the Citadel crashed to earth in all likely hood there would be no makos or anything recogniceable at the impact point.

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SubAstris

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Skillz1986 wrote...

Unless you can't explain to me what the rubbe and the supposed mako are doing on the citadel..yes it very well is.


There is nothing that even looks like a Mako on the Citadel. You really need to look back at the ending, I have, several times, analysed every single corner of it, nothing. Unless you want to present evidence for your assertion

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Skillz1986, I'm not really sure :D If to be serious I liked Indoctrination Theory, but BioWare said that there will be nothing except for additional scenes or movies. They'll not change endings. That's why I've lost the hope.

#41370
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The screenshot...goddamn it

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@delmor
arian dynas pointed out how it could play out by using cutscenes

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Rifneno wrote...


Thanks for clarifying for us.  Now go away.



No need to be aggressive. I'm just giving my opinion and didn't say the IT sucks. Or you just don't like people who think differently ?

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 22 avril 2012 - 01:23 .


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Skillz1986 wrote...

The screenshot...goddamn it



Yeah, there is f*** all!!!!

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Kids do not make me ask Byne to turn this thread around.

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@skillz:

ignore him... if you would tell him the eart is round and give him evidence.. he would find millons against it only to rubb into your face it is flat in his little world.