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[Drift Avalii]

Uncle Jo and Sammu are currently providing a great example of constructive discussion - Epyon (apologies for spelling if it's incorrect) is another person who personally isn't convinced by IT but is aware that it may not be a black or white and is open minded.

Also they're respectful, not afraid to apologise and don't call people names, make hurtful comments or start arguments with 'many people agree that' or the like.

There's nothing wrong with 'that's a good point but I don't personally agree', as opposed to ridicule. We're not trying to turn you into husks, just show people (who are interested) our opinions on the subject.

[estebanus]

EpyonX3 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Delmor wrote...

@Skillz1986
It's strange... She should come out with Joker. Very interesting..

When I picked the destroy ending, I saw EDI,Liara and Joker come out, so I don't get why it's said she dies in the destroy ending.

Space magic, perhaps? :wizard::wizard:

Wait you got EDI in Destroy? Can you replicate it and record it? What was your EMS?

My EMS was about 7200, and I saw EDI get out of the Normandy.

I think that it's determined who gets out of the Normandy based on your interaction level with certain characters, and I know I'm not the only one who saw EDI get out of the Normandy in destroy.

I figured the interaction has a lot to do with it. Much like how Cortez dies if you don't talk to him but if you talk to him enough he survives. I'm going to have to get my EMS higher then. I have about 5400 though I've played some MP it might be higher.

You know, the more I think about it, the more it seems that starchild is just a liar and a master troll.

[Sammuthegreat]

Uncle Jo wrote... I think it DOES matter. They didn't have to make it obvious all along the game. The IT would have been fantastic, if the truth is revealed, RIGHT AFTER the player made his choice. Otherwise the effect of such a twist-ending is flawed...

Again, I disagree. I understand what you're saying, and it would have been a cool twist for sure if the IT had been revealed at the end of the game. I just think the potential impact would have been even greater if the fans had been left to speculate for a few weeks, and then BioWare had come out (at PAX, for example) and revealed IT, along with the free EC DLC.

Trouble is, we've just been left speculating for far too long now, and we've got months to go yet. The whole affair has been spectacularly fumbled by BioWare.

[Sero303]

estebanus wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Delmor wrote...

@Skillz1986
It's strange... She should come out with Joker. Very interesting..

When I picked the destroy ending, I saw EDI,Liara and Joker come out, so I don't get why it's said she dies in the destroy ending.

Space magic, perhaps? :wizard::wizard:

Wait you got EDI in Destroy? Can you replicate it and record it? What was your EMS?

My EMS was about 7200, and I saw EDI get out of the Normandy.

I think that it's determined who gets out of the Normandy based on your interaction level with certain characters, and I know I'm not the only one who saw EDI get out of the Normandy in destroy.

I figured the interaction has a lot to do with it. Much like how Cortez dies if you don't talk to him but if you talk to him enough he survives. I'm going to have to get my EMS higher then. I have about 5400 though I've played some MP it might be higher.

You know, the more I think about it, the more it seems that starchild is just a liar and a master troll.

Galactic trolling spanned over billlions of years ... for the win.
Might as well had "Starchild's" voice played by Charlie Sheen!

[DextroDNA]

Also, doesn't the Starchild consider Shepard herself to be a synthetic, technically? (Sure that this has been touched on in the past 1600+ pages, but bear with me.)

If that's the case, how come the Destroy All Synthetics option is the only one where Shepard survives?

I facepalmed.
The IT is that Shepard is Indoctrinated. We all think that the choice you pick at the end was in your head. Therefore he wouldn't die when he picked Destroy all Synthetics - because he only picked it in his mind. The Destroy option was Shepard defeating the Indoctrination, not actually killing all Synthetics.

[estebanus]

malakim2099 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Delmor wrote...

@Skillz1986
It's strange... She should come out with Joker. Very interesting..

When I picked the destroy ending, I saw EDI,Liara and Joker come out, so I don't get why it's said she dies in the destroy ending.

Space magic, perhaps? :wizard::wizard:

Wait you got EDI in Destroy? Can you replicate it and record it? What was your EMS?

My EMS was about 7200, and I saw EDI get out of the Normandy.

I think that it's determined who gets out of the Normandy based on your interaction level with certain characters, and I know I'm not the only one who saw EDI get out of the Normandy in destroy.

Also, doesn't the Starchild consider Shepard herself to be a synthetic, technically? (Sure that this has been touched on in the past 1600+ pages, but bear with me.)

If that's the case, how come the Destroy All Synthetics option is the only one where Shepard survives?

Yup, I don't get it either.

In destroy, Shepard is right in the middle of an explosion with the power of AT LEAST 2-10 Tsar bombs detonated at once, and in addition to that, his/her synthetic parts are supposedly deactivated, either outright killing him/her, or at the very least reduce his/her vitality significantly, and we're expected to actually believe s/he surived that?!

Sorry, just no.

[estebanus]

Sero303 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Delmor wrote...

@Skillz1986
It's strange... She should come out with Joker. Very interesting..

When I picked the destroy ending, I saw EDI,Liara and Joker come out, so I don't get why it's said she dies in the destroy ending.

Space magic, perhaps? :wizard::wizard:

Wait you got EDI in Destroy? Can you replicate it and record it? What was your EMS?

My EMS was about 7200, and I saw EDI get out of the Normandy.

I think that it's determined who gets out of the Normandy based on your interaction level with certain characters, and I know I'm not the only one who saw EDI get out of the Normandy in destroy.

I figured the interaction has a lot to do with it. Much like how Cortez dies if you don't talk to him but if you talk to him enough he survives. I'm going to have to get my EMS higher then. I have about 5400 though I've played some MP it might be higher.

You know, the more I think about it, the more it seems that starchild is just a liar and a master troll.

Galactic trolling spanned over billlions of years ... for the win.
Might as well had "Starchild's" voice played by Charlie Sheen!

Ok now, That would be epic!

[DextroDNA]

estebanus wrote...

malakim2099 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Delmor wrote...

@Skillz1986
It's strange... She should come out with Joker. Very interesting..

When I picked the destroy ending, I saw EDI,Liara and Joker come out, so I don't get why it's said she dies in the destroy ending.

Space magic, perhaps? :wizard::wizard:

Wait you got EDI in Destroy? Can you replicate it and record it? What was your EMS?

My EMS was about 7200, and I saw EDI get out of the Normandy.

I think that it's determined who gets out of the Normandy based on your interaction level with certain characters, and I know I'm not the only one who saw EDI get out of the Normandy in destroy.

Also, doesn't the Starchild consider Shepard herself to be a synthetic, technically? (Sure that this has been touched on in the past 1600+ pages, but bear with me.)

If that's the case, how come the Destroy All Synthetics option is the only one where Shepard survives?

Yup, I don't get it either.

In destroy, Shepard is right in the middle of an explosion with the power of AT LEAST 2-10 Tsar bombs detonated at once, and in addition to that, his/her synthetic parts are supposedly deactivated, either outright killing him/her, or at the very least reduce his/her vitality significantly, and we're expected to actually believe s/he surived that?!

Sorry, just no.

Again, Shepard survived because he never actually picked the Destroy option. He picked it in his MIND. The Destroy option symbolises defeating the Indoctrination.

[EpyonX3]

estebanus wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Delmor wrote...

@Skillz1986
It's strange... She should come out with Joker. Very interesting..

When I picked the destroy ending, I saw EDI,Liara and Joker come out, so I don't get why it's said she dies in the destroy ending.

Space magic, perhaps? :wizard::wizard:

Wait you got EDI in Destroy? Can you replicate it and record it? What was your EMS?

My EMS was about 7200, and I saw EDI get out of the Normandy.

I think that it's determined who gets out of the Normandy based on your interaction level with certain characters, and I know I'm not the only one who saw EDI get out of the Normandy in destroy.

I figured the interaction has a lot to do with it. Much like how Cortez dies if you don't talk to him but if you talk to him enough he survives. I'm going to have to get my EMS higher then. I have about 5400 though I've played some MP it might be higher.

You know, the more I think about it, the more it seems that starchild is just a liar and a master troll.

Well destroy will most likely kill him, the reapers and if the organics make killer synthetics agai, which it believes will happen, nothing will be able to stop it. I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to discourage you a bit.

He does tell you that you'll die in control. He's not as direct when he's describing destroy.

[EpyonX3]

Drift Avalii wrote...

Uncle Jo and Sammu are currently providing a great example of constructive discussion - Epyon (apologies for spelling if it's incorrect) is another person who personally isn't convinced by IT but is aware that it may not be a black or white and is open minded.

Also they're respectful, not afraid to apologise and don't call people names, make hurtful comments or start arguments with 'many people agree that' or the like.

There's nothing wrong with 'that's a good point but I don't personally agree', as opposed to ridicule. We're not trying to turn you into husks, just show people (who are interested) our opinions on the subject.

Thanks for the kind words.


And I agree. There's no point in insulting each other. We all have one thing in common. We love the ME series. We just disagree with the endings.

[estebanus]

RussianZombeh wrote...

estebanus wrote...

malakim2099 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Delmor wrote...

@Skillz1986
It's strange... She should come out with Joker. Very interesting..

When I picked the destroy ending, I saw EDI,Liara and Joker come out, so I don't get why it's said she dies in the destroy ending.

Space magic, perhaps? :wizard::wizard:

Wait you got EDI in Destroy? Can you replicate it and record it? What was your EMS?

My EMS was about 7200, and I saw EDI get out of the Normandy.

I think that it's determined who gets out of the Normandy based on your interaction level with certain characters, and I know I'm not the only one who saw EDI get out of the Normandy in destroy.

Also, doesn't the Starchild consider Shepard herself to be a synthetic, technically? (Sure that this has been touched on in the past 1600+ pages, but bear with me.)

If that's the case, how come the Destroy All Synthetics option is the only one where Shepard survives?

Yup, I don't get it either.

In destroy, Shepard is right in the middle of an explosion with the power of AT LEAST 2-10 Tsar bombs detonated at once, and in addition to that, his/her synthetic parts are supposedly deactivated, either outright killing him/her, or at the very least reduce his/her vitality significantly, and we're expected to actually believe s/he surived that?!

Sorry, just no.

Again, Shepard survived because he never actually picked the Destroy option. He picked it in his MIND. The Destroy option symbolises defeating the Indoctrination.

Yes, I know. I'm fairly familiar with the IT.

I was explaining why the ending would not make any sense at face value, not that it actually happened!

[estebanus]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Drift Avalii wrote...

Uncle Jo and Sammu are currently providing a great example of constructive discussion - Epyon (apologies for spelling if it's incorrect) is another person who personally isn't convinced by IT but is aware that it may not be a black or white and is open minded.

Also they're respectful, not afraid to apologise and don't call people names, make hurtful comments or start arguments with 'many people agree that' or the like.

There's nothing wrong with 'that's a good point but I don't personally agree', as opposed to ridicule. We're not trying to turn you into husks, just show people (who are interested) our opinions on the subject.

Thanks for the kind words.


And I agree. There's no point in insulting each other. We all have one thing in common. We love the ME series. We just disagree with the endings.

Yup, we all love the ME series, that's for sure!

In any case, I'd rather have you here than ****s like Waldstr18, Capeo, Mintycool, or DKDT(Or whatever he's called)

[Ravereth]

EpyonX3 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

Amelyn wrote...

I just wanted to post these links as they may help with evidence of Shepard being in London during the breath scene.

I played with the levels on the breath scene pic to lighten up the scene as it was very dark. The concrete here in the scene is identical to the london concrete in a previous scene, even down to the markings, lines, etc. Just wanted to show the comparison.

http://imageshack.us...donconcrete.jpg

http://imageshack.us...eneconcrete.jpg

So... I was looking for those cables/rebars during my MP session and I ... I found them... http://images42.foto...89f48143f4f.jpg or maybe I'm just seeing things? 

comparison

Now compare those in the rubble image with the size of the dog tag, they are either very small pipes or that's one huge dog tag.

Those won't compare because they are Geth cables not reaper cables. If you want a good comparison, watch this video.

Ok, I just realized that almost 50% of cables have the same pattern... <_<

[EpyonX3]

Ravereth wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

Amelyn wrote...

I just wanted to post these links as they may help with evidence of Shepard being in London during the breath scene.

I played with the levels on the breath scene pic to lighten up the scene as it was very dark. The concrete here in the scene is identical to the london concrete in a previous scene, even down to the markings, lines, etc. Just wanted to show the comparison.

http://imageshack.us...donconcrete.jpg

http://imageshack.us...eneconcrete.jpg

So... I was looking for those cables/rebars during my MP session and I ... I found them... http://images42.foto...89f48143f4f.jpg or maybe I'm just seeing things? 

comparison

Now compare those in the rubble image with the size of the dog tag, they are either very small pipes or that's one huge dog tag.

Those won't compare because they are Geth cables not reaper cables. If you want a good comparison, watch this video.

Ok, I just realized that almost 50% of cables have the same pattern... <_<

Yes they do. but the cables around reaper tech are usually distinguishable from the rest. At least to me.

The ones notes in the pac threw me off too. Then I looked at the texture files and they are called geth cables. In some instances they're called tubes.

[EpyonX3]

I wonder, regardless of whether the EC will prove IT right or wrong, will gaming site revise their reviews of the game?

[Uncle Jo]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote... I think it DOES matter. They didn't have to make it obvious all along the game. The IT would have been fantastic, if the truth is revealed, RIGHT AFTER the player made his choice. Otherwise the effect of such a twist-ending is flawed...

Again, I disagree. I understand what you're saying, and it would have been a cool twist for sure if the IT had been revealed at the end of the game. I just think the potential impact would have been even greater if the fans had been left to speculate for a few weeks, and then BioWare had come out (at PAX, for example) and revealed IT, along with the free EC DLC.

Trouble is, we've just been left speculating for far too long now, and we've got months to go yet. The whole affair has been spectacularly fumbled by BioWare.

Okay, it seems that we have two different conceptions of how the IT (on more time, if proven true) ending should have been revealed.
I'm for revealing it when the player is still at the apex of the tension (like all the movies or stories which based of such twist-ending) and you think it's better that we all discuss about it, before Bioware tells us the truth.

I would have prefered to discover the truth by myself and then speak about it, but it's maybe purely a matter of taste.

I think Bioware knew they scr***d up and thought that the game was good enough to make us forgive them their fairy-tale ending. They expected a backlash but never in such proportions und were overtaken by the events.
They first have tried to defend themselves (artistic vision and so on) and eventually forced to acknowledge the contestation and do something about the ending/closure.
I personnally expect nothing but some cutscenes (ground assault...) and an epilogue (LI, Squadmates...) with the destroyed Mass relays as starting point...

I would be happy, if I'm mistaken though....

I'm also convinced that if they did a proper epilogue with the actual (illogical) ending, it still have been disappointed fans but most of the players would have been satisfied and the IT would've never been born... Remember, the most important argument was the LACK OF CLOSURE before the IT pops out...

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 22 avril 2012 - 03:43 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

What? EDI walking out in destroy ending? If your on PC can you load up the save and record it? That'll be a pretty convincing piece of evidence for me!

[Uncle Jo]

Drift Avalii wrote...

Uncle Jo and Sammu are currently providing a great example of constructive discussion - Epyon (apologies for spelling if it's incorrect) is another person who personally isn't convinced by IT but is aware that it may not be a black or white and is open minded.

Also they're respectful, not afraid to apologise and don't call people names, make hurtful comments or start arguments with 'many people agree that' or the like.

There's nothing wrong with 'that's a good point but I don't personally agree', as opposed to ridicule. We're not trying to turn you into husks, just show people (who are interested) our opinions on the subject.

Thanls for the kind words. I'm as disappointed as the IT.people about the endings... And if it's proven to be true I'll gladly acknowledge that I was wrong...

[MaximizedAction]

EpyonX3 wrote...

I wonder, regardless of whether the EC will prove IT right or wrong, will gaming site revise their reviews of the game?

Will politicians who are sponsored by lobbyists ever apologize for mistakes made w.r.t. to the lobbying company?

[Sammuthegreat]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Drift Avalii wrote...

Uncle Jo and Sammu are currently providing a great example of constructive discussion - Epyon (apologies for spelling if it's incorrect) is another person who personally isn't convinced by IT but is aware that it may not be a black or white and is open minded.

Also they're respectful, not afraid to apologise and don't call people names, make hurtful comments or start arguments with 'many people agree that' or the like.

There's nothing wrong with 'that's a good point but I don't personally agree', as opposed to ridicule. We're not trying to turn you into husks, just show people (who are interested) our opinions on the subject.

Thanls for the kind words. I'm as disappointed as the IT.people about the endings... And if it's proven to be true I'll gladly acknowledge that I was wrong...

Ultimately, this is the most important point. Everyone, whether IT-lover or -hater, is disappointed with the ending. It doesn't really matter in the end whether BioWare's timing was wrong - the fact is, they've pissed off most of their fanbase with the ending as it stands, and their behaviour since has done nothing to win them back any love.

[Uncle Jo]

Leto_Galt wrote...

True that would have been better, but before this PR nightmare happened, EA fully intended to make you $$$ for it.

Believeing IT doesn't mean you have to believe EA/Bioware didn't **** this up.

I'm pretty sure that Javik was ripped off from the game. Such an important character cannot be sold as DLC.
But trying to sell the end of a game as a DLC... It means we got ME 2.99... It's hard to believe...

[Stegoceras]

Not really being an It supporter, but just having some fun in my head with the Theory, I was wondering, what if you guys got it upside down? What if instead of Control/Synthesis the actual indoctrination happens when you pick destroy, I mean:

Shepard is much more useful when he is alive and indoctrinated, the guy could then destabilize the entire war effort. We only see him alive in destroy, cause the other options might have killed him straight out or accelerated the Indoctrination so far he turned into a mindless husk.

But what about down-selling the destroy ending? Well, maybe they were actually testing his resolve to the matter. As far as I know Indoctrination happens by suggestions and whispers, what if they really were suggesting destroy from early on and it was all a ploy to get Shepard into the right place and position to do massive damage. In the end they test whether he is really still taking Reaper suggestions or that he is still able to make his own rational decisions. I mean don't deny that probably everyone's first idea when entering the final room was "destroy the suckers" cause that is what we have been told to do all along.

Again, i'm pretty sure this idea isn't so solid, but it was a fun little thought (for me at least) I came up with.

edit: Oh yes, I'm fully aware that the implications would be die or indoctrination, which is a pretty damn gloomy end

Modifié par Stegoceras, 22 avril 2012 - 03:45 .

[Leto_Galt]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Leto_Galt wrote...

True that would have been better, but before this PR nightmare happened, EA fully intended to make you $$$ for it.

Believeing IT doesn't mean you have to believe EA/Bioware didn't **** this up.

I'm pretty sure that Javik was ripped off from the game. Such an important character cannot be sold as DLC.
But trying to sell the end of a game as a DLC... It means we got ME 2.99... It's hard to believe...

Yea Javik can be enabled as a squad mate without the DLC so he is definatly in the core game.

It's hard to accept... Sure, It's hard to Justify... Agree.

Hard to believe... Nah... I don't think its hard to believe.

[Voodzik]

Stegoceras wrote...
Not really being an It supporter, but just having some fun in my head with the Theory, I was wondering, what if you guys got it upside down? What if instead of Control/Synthesis the actual indoctrination happens when you pick destroy, I mean:
Shepard is much more useful when he is alive and indoctrinated, the guy could then destabilize the entire war effort. We only see him alive in destroy, cause the other options might have killed him straight out or accelerated the Indoctrination so far he turned into a mindless husk.
But what about down-selling the destroy ending? Well, maybe they were actually testing his resolve to the matter. As far as I know Indoctrination happens by suggestions and whispers, what if they really were suggesting destroy from early on and it was all a ploy to get Shepard into the right place and position to do massive damage. In the end they test whether he is really still taking Reaper suggestions or that he is still able to make his own rational decisions. I mean don't deny that probably everyone's first idea when entering the final room was "destroy the suckers" cause that is what we have been told to do all along.
Again, i'm pretty sure this idea isn't so solid, but it was a fun little thought (for me at least) I came up with.
edit: Oh yes, I'm fully aware that the implications would be die or indoctrination, which is a pretty damn gloomy end

Okay, that could get flipped on it's head. What if the kid were a being of light the whole time. It's a test of shepherds resolve to see if she's worthy for the other light-beings to provide some kind of assistance.

[Sero303]

Nevermind

Modifié par Sero303, 22 avril 2012 - 03:56 .