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Corephyfish

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Dilandau3000 wrote...

slydfoxxy wrote...

Well there is definitely 'something' going on there, the two people to get out of the Normandy with Joker at the end are ALWAYS the people you took with you

Untrue. I had Ashley and Liara with me on the mission, and Tali was the one to get out with Joker (making me believe Ash and Liara had perished on earth, but now I find that may not be true based on other people's experiences with that scene).


huh, well thats definitely strange then, because it was the same both times for me.,

Maybe it's just random O.o

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The stargazer doesn't know of space flight, how is this possible?

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I chose control, and I got Joker, EDI, and Garrus (who was with me, along with Liara, who didn't come out..), so I can't see any noticeable patterns with who comes out of the normandy and who doesn't.

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Am I the only one who tried shooting that keeper? ... I don't know why.

The Prima guide, if its word is worth anything, says that if you don't successfully use a persuasion option on TIM back on Mars at the beginning then you CANNOT get him to commit Sarencide at the end. So that's another part of it.

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Dilandau3000 wrote...

slydfoxxy wrote...

Well there is definitely 'something' going on there, the two people to get out of the Normandy with Joker at the end are ALWAYS the people you took with you

Untrue. I had Ashley and Liara with me on the mission, and Tali was the one to get out with Joker (making me believe Ash and Liara had perished on earth, but now I find that may not be true based on other people's experiences with that scene).


Agreed. Unless you pick the destroy ending, it will most likely be Joker, EDI and someone else (most likely your LI if she was part of the crew).

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Lugaidster wrote...

variobunz wrote...

Well I persuaded TIM to shoot himself and I destroyed the reapers. My EMS was like 6900. But I still don't got the scene :(

Did I make something wrong?


I believe it has to be a New Game+. Do make sure you have what it takes though (with that I mean EMS).

No, I got the "breath scene" on my first (and only) playthrough. Though it was an import from ME2, so it's possible you can't get that scene on first playthrough if you started with ME3.

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MRedfield wrote...

Beanreaper wrote...

variobunz wrote...

Well I persuaded TIM to shoot himself and I destroyed the reapers. My EMS was like 6900. But I still don't got the scene :(


How did you get TIM to shoot himself? I had full repuation and about 5.5k EMS :S


Just choose all paragon options in the scene when prompted? 



The finial option was blocked out :unsure:

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MRedfield wrote...

DangerSandler wrote...

I have a question that no one has touched on yet: What are the keepers' roll in all of this? The first thing I noticed when coming out of the Citadel Beam (conduit) was that Keeper on the side of the walkway, next to all the human bodies, working on something. Maybe it has no connection whatsoever, but I still find the whole situation of the keepers to be really overlooked.


I bet the keepers are the very first race that chose the synthesize option and are now mindless slaves forced to clean up a space station for new arrivals.


Hahaha~ That actually makes sense. It's certainly funny. :D

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Dilandau3000 wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

variobunz wrote...

Well I persuaded TIM to shoot himself and I destroyed the reapers. My EMS was like 6900. But I still don't got the scene :(

Did I make something wrong?


I believe it has to be a New Game+. Do make sure you have what it takes though (with that I mean EMS).

No, I got the "breath scene" on my first (and only) playthrough. Though it was an import from ME2, so it's possible you can't get that scene on first playthrough if you started with ME3.


Now that you got that, have you tried a new game+? Several guides state that there's a secret ending if you use that option. I'm not sure though (maybe an imported one is good enough).

Cheers

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Dilandau3000 wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

variobunz wrote...

Well I persuaded TIM to shoot himself and I destroyed the reapers. My EMS was like 6900. But I still don't got the scene :(

Did I make something wrong?


I believe it has to be a New Game+. Do make sure you have what it takes though (with that I mean EMS).

No, I got the "breath scene" on my first (and only) playthrough. Though it was an import from ME2, so it's possible you can't get that scene on first playthrough if you started with ME3.


I played with an imported Shepard.

Please. Really want to see that scene.

Modifié par variobunz, 12 mars 2012 - 11:35 .


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People are reading into it way too much now... Saying the keepers "chose synthesis" is stretching it way too far. They are most likely a harvested civilization just like the Collectors. Even the naming pattern fits.

Now, have there been any updates form BW in the past 10 hours, please?

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Lugaidster wrote...

Now that you got that, have you tried a new game+? Several guides state that there's a secret ending if you use that option. I'm not sure though (maybe an imported one is good enough).

If there is a secret ending other than the breath scene it would have to be 3D only, as there certainly aren't any video files for it. :)

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thePredator50 wrote...

Now, have there been any updates form BW in the past 10 hours, please?

No. It was night in Canada too.

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thePredator50 wrote...

People are reading into it way too much now... Saying the keepers "chose synthesis" is stretching it way too far. They are most likely a harvested civilization just like the Collectors. Even the naming pattern fits.

Now, have there been any updates form BW in the past 10 hours, please?


nope

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Beanreaper wrote...

variobunz wrote...

Well I persuaded TIM to shoot himself and I destroyed the reapers. My EMS was like 6900. But I still don't got the scene :(


How did you get TIM to shoot himself? I had full repuation and about 5.5k EMS :S


You have to use the intimidate/charm options on TIM when you talk with on mars, thessia and the cerb base if you don't the intimidate and charm option will be locked at the end. Paragon shep makes TIM shoot himself in the face renegade shep makes TIM pissed off and pushs anderson out of the way and you get a ren int to shoot him.  This is how you save anderson cause ren shep makes TIM push anderson out of the way and paragon shep makes TIM kill himself. 

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thePredator50 wrote...

People are reading into it way too much now... Saying the keepers "chose synthesis" is stretching it way too far. They are most likely a harvested civilization just like the Collectors. Even the naming pattern fits.

Now, have there been any updates form BW in the past 10 hours, please?


Not really some vauge hints like yesterday

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thePredator50 wrote...

People are reading into it way too much now... Saying the keepers "chose synthesis" is stretching it way too far. They are most likely a harvested civilization just like the Collectors. Even the naming pattern fits.

Now, have there been any updates form BW in the past 10 hours, please?


That was a joke, Jeff.


No, BioWare hasn't said anything.

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Dilandau3000

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variobunz wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

variobunz wrote...

Well I persuaded TIM to shoot himself and I destroyed the reapers. My EMS was like 6900. But I still don't got the scene :(

Did I make something wrong?


I believe it has to be a New Game+. Do make sure you have what it takes though (with that I mean EMS).

No, I got the "breath scene" on my first (and only) playthrough. Though it was an import from ME2, so it's possible you can't get that scene on first playthrough if you started with ME3.


I played with an imported Shepard.

Are you sure your EMS was 6900? If you didn't play multiplayer then your total strength could've been 6900 but your EMS only 3450 (50% galactic readiness).

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Alright. Thanks. Gonna play it again anyway.

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Rifneno wrote...

Oh God.  I just realized another interpretation of the ending.  One that's even worse.  I haven't read the hundreds of pages of understandable rage, so forgive me if this has been mentioned before.

The Reapers won.  That wasn't just a hallucination, it was a hallucination as Shepard died.  He got hit by Harbinger's beam.  That thing can bring down a dreadnought, nobody is going to survive it on foot.  The reasons to think it's a hallucination are numerous but in hindsight it also seems highly unlikely he survived at all.  You can hear people saying things in the distance along the lines of "My God, they're all dead."  Which you would expect because, again, Harbinger's beam weapon!

What really makes me think this though is the grandfather scene at the end.  We only see them as silhouettes at a far distance.  We thought it didn't make much sense because they talk as if there's no aliens on the planet, they have no space travel, ect.  ...  That's because they don't.  They're not human, or any other species we know of.  They're a species in a future cycle that hasn't yet developed space travel.  They know of this legend of Shepard because they found one of Liara's time capsules that she filled with adoration for her friend.  And that's why we can't see them clearly, to hide that these are a future species and not our own.

I find myself thinking something I never thought I'd think.  Dear God, retcon please!



Just check wiki for near death exerience... crap, a lot of things matched, especially the spacekid part
the shepard alive ending can be explained as he recover from near death

  • A sense/awareness of being dead.
  •  A sense of peace, well-being and painlessness. Positive emotions. A sense of removal from the world
  •  An out-of-body experience. A perception of one's body from an outside position.
  •  A "tunnel experience". A sense of moving up, or through, a passageway or staircase.
  •  A rapid movement toward and/or sudden immersion in a powerful light. Communication with the light
  •  An intense feeling of unconditional love
  •  Encountering "Beings of Light", "Beings dressed in white", or similar. Also, the possibility of being reunited with deceased loved ones
  •  Receiving a life review
  •  Receiving a "life preview"
  •  Receiving knowledge about one's life and the nature of the universe
  •  A decision by oneself or others to return to one's body, often accompanied by a reluctance to return
  •  Approaching a border
  •  The notice of unpleasant sound or noise
  •  Connection to the cultural beliefs held by the individual, which seem to dictate the phenomena experienced in the NDE and the later interpretation thereof
1, shep die in the experience
2. shep was painful when anderson died, but can stand up infront of spacekid? also that jump into the beam, he doesnt show any pain
3. well, this is 3rd person game
4, white light and shep goes up
5. run and jump into the beam in green ending
6. joker anderson LI
7. spacekid
10.sythetic organic synthesis, eh nature of the universe
12 platform border
13 when TIM control shep he feels noise
14. normandy???

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Dilandau3000 wrote...

variobunz wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

variobunz wrote...

Well I persuaded TIM to shoot himself and I destroyed the reapers. My EMS was like 6900. But I still don't got the scene :(

Did I make something wrong?


I believe it has to be a New Game+. Do make sure you have what it takes though (with that I mean EMS).

No, I got the "breath scene" on my first (and only) playthrough. Though it was an import from ME2, so it's possible you can't get that scene on first playthrough if you started with ME3.


I played with an imported Shepard.

Are you sure your EMS was 6900? If you didn't play multiplayer then your total strength could've been 6900 but your EMS only 3450 (50% galactic readiness).

its posible to get over 3450 if you import ME2 Save

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Quick thought before I pass out as it's pretty late here in Reaper town (the Vancouver region). Has anyone had EDI in the party and done the kill all synths ending? If she comes out of the ship then we really know something's jacked up. At the very least the kid was lying through his digital teeth.

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The pop up after the credits also annoyed the heck out of me.

"Your princess is in another castle! Now buy more DLC!"
"You just have been RickRoll'd! *video plays* Now buy more DLC!"

When is ME3 coming out in Japan? 15th? We need some clarification from BioWare on this topic.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 12 mars 2012 - 11:45 .


#4149
Dilandau3000

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Jetfire99 wrote...

Quick thought before I pass out as it's pretty late here in Reaper town (the Vancouver region). Has anyone had EDI in the party and done the kill all synths ending? If she comes out of the ship then we really know something's jacked up. At the very least the kid was lying through his digital teeth.

I did the kill all synths ending and she didn't come out of the ship, though I didn't have her in the party. But neither of my final party members were seen in the final cutscene (I just remember Joker and Tali, and Ashley and Liara were in my squad on the final run).

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Jetfire99 wrote...

Quick thought before I pass out as it's pretty late here in Reaper town (the Vancouver region). Has anyone had EDI in the party and done the kill all synths ending? If she comes out of the ship then we really know something's jacked up. At the very least the kid was lying through his digital teeth.


She doesn't come out. The only evidence we have that the people that "died" in the rundown appear later in the crashed normandy is anecdotal, there's nothing proven in that regard (in fact, we only have the opposite).

Cheers