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[balance5050]

malakim2099 wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

estebanus wrote...

malakim2099 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Delmor wrote...

@Skillz1986
It's strange... She should come out with Joker. Very interesting..

When I picked the destroy ending, I saw EDI,Liara and Joker come out, so I don't get why it's said she dies in the destroy ending.

Space magic, perhaps? :wizard::wizard:

Wait you got EDI in Destroy? Can you replicate it and record it? What was your EMS?

My EMS was about 7200, and I saw EDI get out of the Normandy.

I think that it's determined who gets out of the Normandy based on your interaction level with certain characters, and I know I'm not the only one who saw EDI get out of the Normandy in destroy.

Also, doesn't the Starchild consider Shepard herself to be a synthetic, technically? (Sure that this has been touched on in the past 1600+ pages, but bear with me.)

If that's the case, how come the Destroy All Synthetics option is the only one where Shepard survives?

Yup, I don't get it either.

In destroy, Shepard is right in the middle of an explosion with the power of AT LEAST 2-10 Tsar bombs detonated at once, and in addition to that, his/her synthetic parts are supposedly deactivated, either outright killing him/her, or at the very least reduce his/her vitality significantly, and we're expected to actually believe s/he surived that?!

Sorry, just no.

Again, Shepard survived because he never actually picked the Destroy option. He picked it in his MIND. The Destroy option symbolises defeating the Indoctrination.

Psst. That was my point. :innocent:

I don't necessarily like the IT... but I think it's the best theory out there that explains the game as it currently stands.

The scenes after what he chooses are what he's seeing after he dies no matter what you choose. When he chooses destroy he is seeing what he would be seeing after he dies no matter what after that point. The point is that you see alll of those things, AND THEN YOU SEE YOU CAN WAKE UP, and to this day it's debatable whether it's the citadel or London. Logic would say it's London.

Modifié par balance5050, 22 avril 2012 - 06:00 .

[byne]

Critchley2010 wrote...


If Shepherd was indoctrinated then the Prothean VI(s!) would have gone nuts and would have scarpered at the sight of him. End of.

Ok, I'm done explaining this one to people. From now on I'm going to sarcastically inform them that I've never once thought of this, and their brilliant insight has totally convinced me I was always wrong.

OH MY GOD! I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE PROTHEAN VIs! NOR HAS ANYONE ELSE IN THIS THREAD! 

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO MY ATTENTION! I HAVE SEEN THE ERROR OF MY WAYS!

I enjoyed the ending, there were things I thought it lacked, but on the whole it was good [...] I'm not spoiling the series by thinking about this rubbish.

"I enjoyed the ending. I'm not going to spoil the series by thinking too much about it."

Well at least one of the pro-ending people finally just comes out and admits it.

Modifié par byne, 22 avril 2012 - 06:03 .

[lex0r11]

Drift Avalii wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Critchley2010 wrote...

This whole thing is utter codswallop. Serioiusly, I've never heard such nonsense.

If Shepherd was indoctrinated then the Prothean VI(s!) would have gone nuts and would have scarpered at the sight of him. End of. AND if he/she was indoctrinated why would the Reapers let him anywhere near the possibility of blowing them up.

I enjoyed the ending, there were things I thought it lacked, but on the whole it was good. Just think the entire 3rd game is the ending. Most of what i wanted got resolved and I was happy about it. I'm not spoiling the series by thinking about this rubbish.

Cool story, bro

You're welcome to your opinion, as we are to ours.<_<

[estebanus]

Drift Avalii wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Critchley2010 wrote...

This whole thing is utter codswallop. Serioiusly, I've never heard such nonsense.

If Shepherd was indoctrinated then the Prothean VI(s!) would have gone nuts and would have scarpered at the sight of him. End of. AND if he/she was indoctrinated why would the Reapers let him anywhere near the possibility of blowing them up.

I enjoyed the ending, there were things I thought it lacked, but on the whole it was good. Just think the entire 3rd game is the ending. Most of what i wanted got resolved and I was happy about it. I'm not spoiling the series by thinking about this rubbish.

Cool story, bro

You're welcome to your opinion, as we are to ours.<_<

Yeah I know, it's just that I'm getting sick of the same stupid statement about the prothean VI. You think we woldn't have debated that? Something in-game that could potentially disprove IT?!

Well, we have.

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

Critchley2010 wrote...


If Shepherd was indoctrinated then the Prothean VI(s!) would have gone nuts and would have scarpered at the sight of him. End of.

Ok, I'm done explaining this one to people. From now on I'm going to sarcastically inform them that I've never once thought of this, and their brilliant insight has totally convinced me I was always wrong.

OH MY GOD! I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE PROTHEAN VIs! NOR HAS ANYONE ELSE IN THIS THREAD! 

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO MY ATTENTION! I HAVE SEEN THE ERROR OF MY WAYS!

I enjoyed the ending, there were things I thought it lacked, but on the whole it was good [...] I'm not spoiling the series by thinking about this rubbish.

"I enjoyed the ending. I'm not going to spoil the series by thinking too much about it."

Well at least one of the pro-ending people finally just comes out and admits it.

+1

[Baldsake]

CMagnum8 wrote...

 Just a thought I know bioware had said that mass effect 3 was the end of Shepard's story, meaning there won't be a mass effect 4 with Shepard. But at the end in the scene with the old guy and the kid the kid asks for "one more story about the Shepard" and the old guy says "ok one more story". The implication is either that there will be a future game with Shepard (my friend suggested a prequel) or there was always intended to be significant additional content following the ending. A prequel seems like bs to me since it inevitably it would not make sense with mass effect 1, 2 and 3 or you would have no choices and we would be given a correct Shepard which would destroy a central concept of the series. If you assume that indoctrination theory is wrong and all the catalysts options are true, most people have a dead shepard so couldn't continue the story. The reapers are gone/not a threat so the next story would just be Shepard dealing with a devastated earth filled with the entire armada you created fighting each other over resources. This hardly seems like a good direction to go in so I think an alternate theory like indoctrination theory would be require to continue the game passed the ending as they imply. I think the last scene is bioware making fun of us if they are the old man and the kid is us as a collective. "Did all that really happen"?, "Yes, but many of the details are missing", "can I hear another story about the Shepard", "Ok one more story". We've all seen these questions on forums and biowares response has been to give us an extended ending (another story) to make up for the lack of detail in the original ending. This is just conjecture of course I could be entirely wrong and just trying to explain away a part which almost everybody doesn't like.

Yeah it's open to future content.. Or he just tells a story about Virmire or something, I wouldn't look into it too much. At the end of the day it's more about what BioWare/EA wants to do than what the game implies, same goes for the IDT.

[Drift Avalii]

@estebanus

Ah, that wasn't directed at you! It was aimed at Mr 'I came here to stamp my foot and leave theatrically without lingering for rational discussion' :-) I find it hard to be nice when people turn up, denounce the theory then flounce off without waiting. Ah well :-)

[Uncle Jo]

DarksBlade wrote...


I'm not arguing was just saying that your without the internetcomment didn't work

kinda like an old statement i used to ask people before the first x-men movie came out
who would you pick to play prof. X if patrick stewart didn't exist? ...... can't think of one? because you know he does exist =P

I agree with you too

DarksBlade wrote...

3. The necessity to play the MULTIPLAYER to get enough EMS for the "best ending". [personally i think that was a coding error since you were supposed to be able to get it with out mp ( which i hear might be possible but you need to playthru the whole trilogy with the ems score in mind) ]

4. The Space-Bruce Lee [please explain maybe i missed something but i don't know what this is]



[ i agree  but i think if IT is real it is for the long standing fans not the new mass audiance EA wants]

3. I don't think it's a coding error. I think it's deliberate. Along with the Origin thing it was a way to control piracy (and the opinion of the players) and make people pay more... In addition to that, multiplayer is an actual popular trend along with the TPS-likes... But it has nothing to do with a SP-Game like ME..

4. I meant the Plastic-Ninja Kai Leng. I know that he was well mentioned in the ME book, but he took too much importance in the game. And he got Thane... A shame when I think that Harbinger just made a 2 min guest-star appearance and was NEVER mentioned even once all along the game (which is false if he took the shape of the Starchild in case of IT)


You know, they had to choose between the fans and a wide audience... The casual gamer or a person who don't like/know much about the story won't be really hurt by the actual ending on the contrary to the real ME-Fans. He can at most complain about the lack of closure... Guess wether choice they made...

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 22 avril 2012 - 06:30 .

[estebanus]

Drift Avalii wrote...

@estebanus

Ah, that wasn't directed at you! It was aimed at Mr 'I came here to stamp my foot and leave theatrically without lingering for rational discussion' :-) I find it hard to be nice when people turn up, denounce the theory then flounce off without waiting. Ah well :-)

Oh, sorry then.

I got confused.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Anything interesting in the last few hours?

[Sammuthegreat]

byne wrote...

Critchley2010 wrote...


If Shepherd was indoctrinated then the Prothean VI(s!) would have gone nuts and would have scarpered at the sight of him. End of.

Ok, I'm done explaining this one to people. From now on I'm going to sarcastically inform them that I've never once thought of this, and their brilliant insight has totally convinced me I was always wrong.

OH MY GOD! I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE PROTHEAN VIs! NOR HAS ANYONE ELSE IN THIS THREAD! 

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO MY ATTENTION! I HAVE SEEN THE ERROR OF MY WAYS!

God, I know. It's astonishing the number of times this has been brought up, people clearly seem to genuinely think it's a one-hit knockout to the Indoctrination Theory. I get that 1600+ pages is far too much to read through, but this is brought up every 5 pages.

You'd think people wouldn't just dive into a 1600-page thread and state the first thing that's occurred to them without doing a bit of background reading first.

EDIT: quote snipping for Ultimate Neatness.

Modifié par Sammuthegreat, 22 avril 2012 - 06:19 .

[EpyonX3]

lex0r11 wrote...

Drift Avalii wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Critchley2010 wrote...

This whole thing is utter codswallop. Serioiusly, I've never heard such nonsense.

If Shepherd was indoctrinated then the Prothean VI(s!) would have gone nuts and would have scarpered at the sight of him. End of. AND if he/she was indoctrinated why would the Reapers let him anywhere near the possibility of blowing them up.

I enjoyed the ending, there were things I thought it lacked, but on the whole it was good. Just think the entire 3rd game is the ending. Most of what i wanted got resolved and I was happy about it. I'm not spoiling the series by thinking about this rubbish.

Cool story, bro

You're welcome to your opinion, as we are to ours.<_<

First time Garrus gave me a creeepy vibe. The heck is he starring at? lol

[Leto_Galt]

Hey everybody I just finished the game.

I'm here to inform you that your all wrong because of “example X” might not be true.
I haven't actually thought it all the way through but I'm sure “example X” of IDT is false.

I am now going to focus on this one small item of IDT because if I actually acknowledged ALL the evidence at one time I would look foolish trying to discount all of it.

Plus all the other stuff is just because Bioware was lazy.

[MilitanT07]

Leto_Galt wrote...

Hey everybody I just finished the game.

I'm here to inform you that your all wrong because of “example X” might not be true.
I haven't actually thought it all the way through but I'm sure “example X” of IDT is false.

I am now going to focus on this one small item of IDT because if I actually acknowledged ALL the evidence at one time I would look foolish trying to discount all of it.

Plus all the other stuff is just because Bioware was lazy.

good luck with that..

[Hawk227]

byne wrote...

Critchley2010 wrote...


If Shepherd was indoctrinated then the Prothean VI(s!) would have gone nuts and would have scarpered at the sight of him. End of.

Ok, I'm done explaining this one to people. From now on I'm going to sarcastically inform them that I've never once thought of this, and their brilliant insight has totally convinced me I was always wrong.

OH MY GOD! I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE PROTHEAN VIs! NOR HAS ANYONE ELSE IN THIS THREAD! 

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO MY ATTENTION! I HAVE SEEN THE ERROR OF MY WAYS!

I'm thinking maybe you should put the explanation in the OP. I like to think that even the trolls read it before trolling. Maybe that's naive. But maybe if it's there we won't have to explain this every 3 pages.

[MegumiAzusa]

After replaying ME3 again I can even less understand people saying the Guardian makes no sense in saying the cycle is about harvesting organics to protect organics. Shep was already told that by the Reaper on Rannoch!
If there were a break in consistency it wouldn't be at the ending but at this point, but it seems everyone was fine with that? Seriously?

[Sammuthegreat]

Leto_Galt wrote...

Hey everybody I just finished the game.

I'm here to inform you that your all wrong because of “example X” might not be true.
I haven't actually thought it all the way through but I'm sure “example X” of IDT is false.

I am now going to focus on this one small item of IDT because if I actually acknowledged ALL the evidence at one time I would look foolish trying to discount all of it.

Plus all the other stuff is just because Bioware was lazy.

Ha! Pretty much sums it up. Trolls can just copy and paste it, so everyone wins.

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

First time Garrus gave me a creeepy vibe. The heck is he starring at? lol

He is keeping watch for Shepard. One must be ever-vigilant.

[byne]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

After replaying ME3 again I can even less understand people saying the Guardian makes no sense in saying the cycle is about harvesting organics to protect organics. Shep was already told that by the Reaper on Rannoch!
If there were a break in consistency it wouldn't be at the ending but at this point, but it seems everyone was fine with that? Seriously?

All the Reapers starting with Sovereign could have flat out told us the same thing the godchild told us.

It still wouldnt make sense.

If two people told me the police existed to kill innocent citizens before they committed crimes, I wouldnt be like 'Oh, well two different people told me this, it totally makes sense now.'

[DarksBlade]

estebanus wrote...

DarksBlade wrote...

estebanus wrote...

DarksBlade wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Sorry to interrupt any ongoing discussion here, but I may have found some more evidence that starchild is lying.

The planet Aphras in the Xe-Cha system of the shryke abyssal says something very interesting:

"A unique discovery, Aphras is a "heavenly twin" - a planet in a star system that has not one but two worlds of sufficient size to retain a nitrogen-oxygen atmosphere within the habitable life zone of its parent star. Fossil evidence shows abundant vertebrates and evidence of a sapient terrestrial avian species in its Bronze Age. However, the only trace of contemporary life on the planet is that of single-celled organisms in its seas. All else has suffered from an extinction event - a series of massive impacts that vaporized vast quantities of water and lofted dust into its atmosphere. Early theories that this event was a collision with a fragmenting asteroid have now been discounted - the impact craters were aimed directly at habitation centers."

This would in fact mean, that the reapers desrtoyed a species in its bronze age, meaning it hadn't even achieved to leave their own planet.
However, it is said by starchild that the reapers "only harvest the advanced civilizations, leaving the younger ones alone"
But why would they then have destroyed this species?

Any thoughts?

one possibility. maybe they didn't want to join the protheans?
... according to Javik you had the choice of nt join the empire. But then they would simply destroy you(the destroy you is a paraphrase he implies it tho)


Also sorry if it was responded to already I am currently catching up on the back log from yesterday

Why would the protheans, an advanved spacefaring species, wnat to offer a species still stuck in the bronze age a place in their empire?

Javik says that each species had to be at the point where they discovered interplanetary travel before they would be offered a place in the empire.

Yay finally caught up to my first reply =P

anyways ok maybe not join the empire but ....rebeled against them as it were. (remember human taurian assari and salarian were not space faring but had contact)

Neither humanity or the turians had direct contact with the protheans. You even find out in the mars archives, that the protheans were studying humanitys intellectual curve, probably to determine when they should be inducted into the empire.
The only ones with real "contact" were the asari, and that contact was ambiguous at best. Remember that the Asari though that Athame actually was an Asari, eventhough she was a prothean.

My point stands however, that the protheans would not interfere with a species stuck in its bronze age. The only real reason why the protheans were so interested in the asari was due to their potential, nothing else.

 ok I'm not saying it for sure was the protheans  I'm just saying it  doesn't have to be the reapers either .. hell for all we know it could have been those squid headed protheans before they joined the empire. maybe it was the synthetics of the Zin (sp?) that javik mentioned or it could of been who ever blasted that one reaper in ME2 .. I'm not saying you are wrong and i am right there just isn't enough information other then from the evidence someone/something whiped them out for some reason

P.S. maybe they were indoct/ husk proof or perhaps some protheans fled/hid on the planet and it was the reapers
----- maybe their skin was completely toxic/fatality causing to the protheans n they were exterminated by them
---- like i said not enough info other then an outside force caused there destruction

[Sammuthegreat]

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

After replaying ME3 again I can even less understand people saying the Guardian makes no sense in saying the cycle is about harvesting organics to protect organics. Shep was already told that by the Reaper on Rannoch!
If there were a break in consistency it wouldn't be at the ending but at this point, but it seems everyone was fine with that? Seriously?

All the Reapers starting with Sovereign could have flat out told us the same thing the godchild told us.

It still wouldnt make sense.

If two people told me the police existed to kill innocent citizens before they committed crimes, I wouldnt be like 'Oh, well two different people told me this, it totally makes sense now.'

Besides, we've known since Mass Effect 2 that the reapers wanted to "ascend" humans - hence the human reaper larva. Thing is, we've also been told that the reapers' motives are beyond our comprehension, which suggests there's rather more to it than that.

[Hawk227]

DarksBlade wrote...

[ i agree  but i think if IT is real it is for the long standing fans not the new mass audiance EA wants]

Actually, Arian Dynas brought this up the other night. He thought maybe the ambiguity of the ending was on purpose to serve two different groups. The newcomers that don't know all the back story and the major themes about diversity etc. get an "artsy and deep" ending, while the people that have been around for 3 games and are invested see all the things wrong with it and notice the subtle clues (like Vega's hum, or Shep getting TIM's eyes in control/synthesis) and put the pieces together. It's an interesting idea, and seems plausible.

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

Neither humanity or the turians had direct contact with the protheans. You even find out in the mars archives, that the protheans were studying humanitys intellectual curve, probably to determine when they should be inducted into the empire.
The only ones with real "contact" were the asari, and that contact was ambiguous at best. Remember that the Asari though that Athame actually was an Asari, eventhough she was a prothean.

My point stands however, that the protheans would not interfere with a species stuck in its bronze age. The only real reason why the protheans were so interested in the asari was due to their potential, nothing else.

This is not actually true. If you did the quest with Septimus before completing the consort quest, she gave you a trinket that you could use on Eletania to receive a vision of the past.

The vision makes it clear that at the very least, the protheans abducted cavemen and implanted them with some kind of memory recording tech.

Tech that kind of oddly sounds Reaper-ish:

Each time you rise from sleep there is the sensation that you are not alone; that some "other" is with you sharing all you see, hear and feel.At these times your hand goes to the strange lump at the back of your skull and you remember the silver creature from the sky.

Modifié par byne, 22 avril 2012 - 06:42 .

[Uncle Jo]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

After replaying ME3 again I can even less understand people saying the Guardian makes no sense in saying the cycle is about harvesting organics to protect organics. Shep was already told that by the Reaper on Rannoch!
If there were a break in consistency it wouldn't be at the ending but at this point, but it seems everyone was fine with that? Seriously?

I know everyone is free to have their own opinion, but even if they don't support the IT, how can they possibly claim that the face-value ending still makes sense...
Mass Effect is a little more than "Synthetics will always kill the organics"

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 22 avril 2012 - 06:48 .

[estebanus]

DarksBlade wrote...

estebanus wrote...

DarksBlade wrote...

estebanus wrote...

DarksBlade wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Sorry to interrupt any ongoing discussion here, but I may have found some more evidence that starchild is lying.

The planet Aphras in the Xe-Cha system of the shryke abyssal says something very interesting:

"A unique discovery, Aphras is a "heavenly twin" - a planet in a star system that has not one but two worlds of sufficient size to retain a nitrogen-oxygen atmosphere within the habitable life zone of its parent star. Fossil evidence shows abundant vertebrates and evidence of a sapient terrestrial avian species in its Bronze Age. However, the only trace of contemporary life on the planet is that of single-celled organisms in its seas. All else has suffered from an extinction event - a series of massive impacts that vaporized vast quantities of water and lofted dust into its atmosphere. Early theories that this event was a collision with a fragmenting asteroid have now been discounted - the impact craters were aimed directly at habitation centers."

This would in fact mean, that the reapers desrtoyed a species in its bronze age, meaning it hadn't even achieved to leave their own planet.
However, it is said by starchild that the reapers "only harvest the advanced civilizations, leaving the younger ones alone"
But why would they then have destroyed this species?

Any thoughts?

one possibility. maybe they didn't want to join the protheans?
... according to Javik you had the choice of nt join the empire. But then they would simply destroy you(the destroy you is a paraphrase he implies it tho)


Also sorry if it was responded to already I am currently catching up on the back log from yesterday

Why would the protheans, an advanved spacefaring species, wnat to offer a species still stuck in the bronze age a place in their empire?

Javik says that each species had to be at the point where they discovered interplanetary travel before they would be offered a place in the empire.

Yay finally caught up to my first reply =P

anyways ok maybe not join the empire but ....rebeled against them as it were. (remember human taurian assari and salarian were not space faring but had contact)

Neither humanity or the turians had direct contact with the protheans. You even find out in the mars archives, that the protheans were studying humanitys intellectual curve, probably to determine when they should be inducted into the empire.
The only ones with real "contact" were the asari, and that contact was ambiguous at best. Remember that the Asari though that Athame actually was an Asari, eventhough she was a prothean.

My point stands however, that the protheans would not interfere with a species stuck in its bronze age. The only real reason why the protheans were so interested in the asari was due to their potential, nothing else.

 ok I'm not saying it for sure was the protheans  I'm just saying it  doesn't have to be the reapers either .. hell for all we know it could have been those squid headed protheans before they joined the empire. maybe it was the synthetics of the Zin (sp?) that javik mentioned or it could of been who ever blasted that one reaper in ME2 .. I'm not saying you are wrong and i am right there just isn't enough information other then from the evidence someone/something whiped them out for some reason

P.S. maybe they were indoct/ husk proof or perhaps some protheans fled/hid on the planet and it was the reapers
----- maybe their skin was completely toxic/fatality causing to the protheans n they were exterminated by them
---- like i said not enough info other then an outside force caused there destruction

I also thought that it's possible that some people from a more advanced species had hidden there to protect themselves from the reapers, but that would contradict the reapers' apparent motivation, which is to leave the younger species alone, since they would be killing of absolutely everyone just to get a few hundred!