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[byne]

Uncle Jo wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

After replaying ME3 again I can even less understand people saying the Guardian makes no sense in saying the cycle is about harvesting organics to protect organics. Shep was already told that by the Reaper on Rannoch!
If there were a break in consistency it wouldn't be at the ending but at this point, but it seems everyone was fine with that? Seriously?

I know everyone is free to have their own opinion, but even if they don't support the IT, how can they possibly affirm that the face-value ending still make sense...
Mass Effect is a little more than "Synthetics will always kill the organics"

Its like that other guy who enjoyed the endings said earlier:

"I enjoyed the ending, there were things I thought it lacked, but on the whole it was good [...] I'm not spoiling the series by thinking about this rubbish."

They just dont think about it at all, and are thusly able to enjoy it.

Modifié par byne, 22 avril 2012 - 06:45 .

[DarksBlade]

Uncle Jo wrote...

DarksBlade wrote...


I'm not arguing was just saying that your without the internetcomment didn't work

kinda like an old statement i used to ask people before the first x-men movie came out
who would you pick to play prof. X if patrick stewart didn't exist? ...... can't think of one? because you know he does exist =P

I agree with you too

DarksBlade wrote...

3. The necessity to play the MULTIPLAYER to get enough EMS for the "best ending". [personally i think that was a coding error since you were supposed to be able to get it with out mp ( which i hear might be possible but you need to playthru the whole trilogy with the ems score in mind) ]

4. The Space-Bruce Lee [please explain maybe i missed something but i don't know what this is]



[ i agree  but i think if IT is real it is for the long standing fans not the new mass audiance EA wants]

3. I don't think it's a coding error. I think it's deliberate. Along with the Origin thing it was a way to control piracy (and the opinion of the players) and make people pay more... In addition to that, multiplayer is an actual popular trend along with the TPS-likes... But it has nothing to do with a SP-Game like ME..

4. I meant the Plastic-Ninja Kai Leng. I know that he was well mentioned in the ME book, but he took too much importance in the game. And he got Thane... A shame when I think that Harbinger just made a 2 min guest-star appearance and was NEVER mentioned even once all along the game (which is false if he took the shape of the Starchild in case of IT)


You know, they had to choose between the fans and a wide audience... The casual gamer or a person who don't like/know much about the story won't be really hurt by the actual ending on the contrary to the real ME-Fans. He can at most complain about the lack of closure... Guess wether choice they made...

On proffesor picard I KNOW RIGHT? lol

3. oh i don't rule out the MP thing specially with the casino /trading card upgrade system (btw has anybody tested the 3 game playthru to see if you can get the breath yet i have 2-3 on ps3 so i can not 0

4. oh I always refer to him as the rejected FFXIII-2 character ( That EA bought for two cheap knock off N7 armour suits) and i hate him ( i personally think it would have been better if it was an "upgraded" Jacob  (hate him too) or miranda... with KL being the filler character if you Jacob died and you didn't romance/sway miranda)

5. i still blame EA  ... I mean come on realy how can you ex me to believe that a franchise the depends on repeat business and save imports said screw the fans we only care about new ppl .. it makes less senser then casper

[waldstr18]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Leto_Galt wrote...

Hey everybody I just finished the game.

I'm here to inform you that your all wrong because of “example X” might not be true.
I haven't actually thought it all the way through but I'm sure “example X” of IDT is false.

I am now going to focus on this one small item of IDT because if I actually acknowledged ALL the evidence at one time I would look foolish trying to discount all of it.

Plus all the other stuff is just because Bioware was lazy.

Ha! Pretty much sums it up. Trolls can just copy and paste it, so everyone wins.

so thats all one needs to do to be a troll these days? what am i applying to troll school for then? i think you should be a little more selective who you call a troll. that slightly sardonic post might reflect a lot of the disbelievers ones, but it makes them just that. disbelievers ... not trolls. if you think everyone who disagrees with you is a troll, actual trolls are the least of your problems. sounds to me like some of you are not sadisfied with their own life, so now they have to cling to some theory to make a game they like make sense again. its just a game, its just a theory, and as i said a lot of pages back, the ones calling the disbelievers trolls are usually the ones who didnt come up with one usefull clue to support the idt in the first place. they are just sheep following the theory as if it was a religion. and im sure if there was a remote beheading protocol over the internet, they would make use of it. just like the common religious nuts did back in the dark ages.

[MegumiAzusa]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

After replaying ME3 again I can even less understand people saying the Guardian makes no sense in saying the cycle is about harvesting organics to protect organics. Shep was already told that by the Reaper on Rannoch!
If there were a break in consistency it wouldn't be at the ending but at this point, but it seems everyone was fine with that? Seriously?

All the Reapers starting with Sovereign could have flat out told us the same thing the godchild told us.

It still wouldnt make sense.

If two people told me the police existed to kill innocent citizens before they committed crimes, I wouldnt be like 'Oh, well two different people told me this, it totally makes sense now.'

Besides, we've known since Mass Effect 2 that the reapers wanted to "ascend" humans - hence the human reaper larva. Thing is, we've also been told that the reapers' motives are beyond our comprehension, which suggests there's rather more to it than that.

It simply is enough reason for them to start the cycles. It is in fact
pure, unscrupulous logic, the only logic a machine can follow as they
don't have a conscience. That is why they always say we wouldn't
understand it, and they are right, people wouldn't complain if that weren't the case.
They say ascending and evolving because it makes us one of them, hence superior in their "eyes", as opposed to what we are and we would understand afterwards. It all fits.

Also: this doesn't prove or disprove IT at all, because Shep was already told that, it is just a point that is often missed and misused as "they use some simple point trying to convince Shep".

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Neither humanity or the turians had direct contact with the protheans. You even find out in the mars archives, that the protheans were studying humanitys intellectual curve, probably to determine when they should be inducted into the empire.
The only ones with real "contact" were the asari, and that contact was ambiguous at best. Remember that the Asari though that Athame actually was an Asari, eventhough she was a prothean.

My point stands however, that the protheans would not interfere with a species stuck in its bronze age. The only real reason why the protheans were so interested in the asari was due to their potential, nothing else.

This is not actually true. If you did the quest with Septimus before completing the consort quest, she gave you a trinket that you could use on Eletania to receive a vision of the past.

The vision makes it clear that at the very least, the protheans abducted cavemen and implanted them with some kind of memory recording tech.

Tech that kind of oddly sounds Reaper-ish:

Each time you rise from sleep there is the sensation that you are not alone; that some "other" is with you sharing all you see, hear and feel.At these times your hand goes to the strange lump at the back of your skull and you remember the silver creature from the sky.

Yes, I completed that quest, and I know what you're talking about, but I think you're missing my point.

My point is, that the protheans didn't (as far as we know, at least) meddle in humanitys evolutionary progress. It's completely plausible that they may have abducted humans from time to time in order to be able to study them, but they didn't teach us humans stuff like agriculture, reading and so forth, like they did with the asari.

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

After replaying ME3 again I can even less understand people saying the Guardian makes no sense in saying the cycle is about harvesting organics to protect organics. Shep was already told that by the Reaper on Rannoch!
If there were a break in consistency it wouldn't be at the ending but at this point, but it seems everyone was fine with that? Seriously?

I know everyone is free to have their own opinion, but even if they don't support the IT, how can they possibly affirm that the face-value ending still make sense...
Mass Effect is a little more than "Synthetics will always kill the organics"

Its like that other guy who enjoyed the endings said earlier:

"I enjoyed the ending, there were things I thought it lacked, but on the whole it was good [...] I'm not spoiling the series by thinking about this rubbish."

They just dont think about it at all, and are thusly able to enjoy it.

Thanks for missunderstanding (read my last post), and I still think the IT can be true and would say it even is true. I am just saying this doesn't prove or disprove anything, but is often misused as it's only connected to the Guardian.
If you would think about it all as you claim you would have noticed you get this information earlier too.

[byne]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

After replaying ME3 again I can even less understand people saying the Guardian makes no sense in saying the cycle is about harvesting organics to protect organics. Shep was already told that by the Reaper on Rannoch!
If there were a break in consistency it wouldn't be at the ending but at this point, but it seems everyone was fine with that? Seriously?

All the Reapers starting with Sovereign could have flat out told us the same thing the godchild told us.

It still wouldnt make sense.

If two people told me the police existed to kill innocent citizens before they committed crimes, I wouldnt be like 'Oh, well two different people told me this, it totally makes sense now.'

Besides, we've known since Mass Effect 2 that the reapers wanted to "ascend" humans - hence the human reaper larva. Thing is, we've also been told that the reapers' motives are beyond our comprehension, which suggests there's rather more to it than that.

It simply is enough reason for them to start the cycles. It is in fact pure, unscrupulous logic, the only logic a machine can follow as they don't have a conscience. That is why they always say we wouldn't understand it, and they are right, people wouldn't complain if that weren't the case. They say ascending and evolving because it makes us one of them, hence superior in their "eyes", as opposed to what we are and we would understand afterwards. It all fits.

Also: this doesn't prove or disprove IT at all, because Shep was already told that, it is just a point that is often missed and misused as "they use some simple point trying to convince Shep".

Synthetics will always destroy organics is not pure unscrupulous logic. The Reapers are the ones trying to destroy organics this cycle. With the quarians, you cant even argue that they were trying to ascend them into a Reaper. They just flat out tried to exterminate them.

If they just left organics alone, the quarians would have destroyed the geth, but instead they interfered and upgraded the geth, giving them the capability to destroy the quarians.

Hell, even after that, its still possible to convince the quarians and geth to work together. Even with solid proof against his logic literally right in front of him, godchild continues to claim synthetics will eventually kill all organics.

[RoyalGambit]

Been thinking about something lately.. what if the ending doesn't take place in Shepard's mind, but there's still an indoctrination plot going on? We, as the player, are deciding how the story ends. Destroy = Shepard wasn't indoctrinated - control/synth = Shepard was indoctrinated.
The renegade/paragon swap and the starchilds attempts to discourage destroy is the game testing the player, and depending on your choice, the game concludes differently.
I hope you guys get what I'm saying. What I like about this train of thought, is that it is a lot less risky way to end the game, making it a little more plausible in my mind, as opposed to releasing some kind of The Truth DLC.

[byne]

MegumiAzusa wrote...



Thanks for missunderstanding (read my last post), and I still think the IT can be true and would say it even is true. I am just saying this doesn't prove or disprove anything, but is often misused as it's only connected to the Guardian.
If you would think about it all as you claim you would have noticed you get this information earlier too.

I noticed I got the information from the Reaper on Rannoch, I just dont find it compelling.

If godchild is real, he controls the Reapers, and the one on Rannoch is just saying what godchild wants it to say. Just because his minions agree with his flawed logic doesnt make him right.

If godchild isnt real, Shepard just took the reasoning offered by one single Reaper (who, like all Reapers, is a nation, independent, free of all weakness), and applied it to godchild as well.

Godchild and the Reaper on Rannoch agreeing doesnt really mean anything.

Modifié par byne, 22 avril 2012 - 06:58 .

[DarksBlade]

estebanus wrote...

DarksBlade wrote...

estebanus wrote...

DarksBlade wrote...

*SNIP*


Yay finally caught up to my first reply =P

anyways ok maybe not join the empire but ....rebeled against them as it were. (remember human taurian assari and salarian were not space faring but had contact)

Neither humanity or the turians had direct contact with the protheans. You even find out in the mars archives, that the protheans were studying humanitys intellectual curve, probably to determine when they should be inducted into the empire.
The only ones with real "contact" were the asari, and that contact was ambiguous at best. Remember that the Asari though that Athame actually was an Asari, eventhough she was a prothean.

My point stands however, that the protheans would not interfere with a species stuck in its bronze age. The only real reason why the protheans were so interested in the asari was due to their potential, nothing else.

 ok I'm not saying it for sure was the protheans  I'm just saying it  doesn't have to be the reapers either .. hell for all we know it could have been those squid headed protheans before they joined the empire. maybe it was the synthetics of the Zin (sp?) that javik mentioned or it could of been who ever blasted that one reaper in ME2 .. I'm not saying you are wrong and i am right there just isn't enough information other then from the evidence someone/something whiped them out for some reason

P.S. maybe they were indoct/ husk proof or perhaps some protheans fled/hid on the planet and it was the reapers
----- maybe their skin was completely toxic/fatality causing to the protheans n they were exterminated by them
---- like i said not enough info other then an outside force caused there destruction

I also thought that it's possible that some people from a more advanced species had hidden there to protect themselves from the reapers, but that would contradict the reapers' apparent motivation, which is to leave the younger species alone, since they would be killing of absolutely everyone just to get a few hundred!

maybe in that cycle ( if the hide thing happened) they realized the reapers were ignoring this planet .. so they went there  and as an example the reapers killed them all ... just as a way of saying all your doing is doming these primitive people we would have left alone ..

just to explain away that possibility

[Critchley2010]

[quote]Sammuthegreat wrote...

[quote]byne wrote...

[quote]Critchley2010 wrote...


If Shepherd was indoctrinated then the Prothean VI(s!) would have gone nuts and would have scarpered at the sight of him. End of. [/quote]

Ok, I'm done explaining this one to people. From now on I'm going to sarcastically inform them that I've never once thought of this, and their brilliant insight has totally convinced me I was always wrong.

OH MY GOD! I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE PROTHEAN VIs! NOR HAS ANYONE ELSE IN THIS THREAD! 

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO MY ATTENTION! I HAVE SEEN THE ERROR OF MY WAYS!
[/quote]

God, I know. It's astonishing the number of times this has been brought up, people clearly seem to genuinely think it's a one-hit knockout to the Indoctrination Theory. I get that 1600+ pages is far too much to read through, but this is brought up every 5 pages.

You'd think people wouldn't just dive into a 1600-page thread and state the first thing that's occurred to them without doing a bit of background reading first.

EDIT: quote snipping for Ultimate Neatness.
[/quote]

Ok you were right, I hadn't read all 1600+ pages. I had read your original post, and the following 10 pages, none of which mentioned this, and it does seem to be quite a spanner in the works for the whole thing. My main gripe with this indoctrination idea is that most of the evidence seems quite circumstantial, and it makes the game feel sort of... pointless if it turns out that it was not really you playing it "it was all a dream." That is what I think is nonsense, a game that isnt really 'true' (relatively).

[/quote]

"I enjoyed the ending. I'm not going to spoil the series by thinking too much about it."

Well at least one of the pro-ending people finally just comes out and admits it.

[/quote] 

And as for not thinking about the ending to enjoy it, that's not quite what I said - you're misquoting me. I think the ending was fascinating - it draws on several myths and theories about the cosmos. The indoctination just feels like a cop out, ignoring the the thought behind the story.

Oh and one more thing, just because someone disagrees with you does not make them a 'troll.' That is what forums like these are for, I'm sure you'd be pretty bored if it was 1600+ pages of people saying "yay you're right!"

Modifié par Critchley2010, 22 avril 2012 - 07:04 .

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

I also thought that it's possible that some people from a more advanced species had hidden there to protect themselves from the reapers, but that would contradict the reapers' apparent motivation, which is to leave the younger species alone, since they would be killing of absolutely everyone just to get a few hundred!

If you want actual irrefutable proof that the Reapers are lying about harvesting only the advanced species, you just have to look at the actual enemies called Harvesters.

They dont have spaceships, they dont even have any form of technology, they're just mindless animals, but the Reapers harvested them anyways.

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

After replaying ME3 again I can even less understand people saying the Guardian makes no sense in saying the cycle is about harvesting organics to protect organics. Shep was already told that by the Reaper on Rannoch!
If there were a break in consistency it wouldn't be at the ending but at this point, but it seems everyone was fine with that? Seriously?

All the Reapers starting with Sovereign could have flat out told us the same thing the godchild told us.

It still wouldnt make sense.

If two people told me the police existed to kill innocent citizens before they committed crimes, I wouldnt be like 'Oh, well two different people told me this, it totally makes sense now.'

Besides, we've known since Mass Effect 2 that the reapers wanted to "ascend" humans - hence the human reaper larva. Thing is, we've also been told that the reapers' motives are beyond our comprehension, which suggests there's rather more to it than that.

It simply is enough reason for them to start the cycles. It is in fact pure, unscrupulous logic, the only logic a machine can follow as they don't have a conscience. That is why they always say we wouldn't understand it, and they are right, people wouldn't complain if that weren't the case. They say ascending and evolving because it makes us one of them, hence superior in their "eyes", as opposed to what we are and we would understand afterwards. It all fits.

Also: this doesn't prove or disprove IT at all, because Shep was already told that, it is just a point that is often missed and misused as "they use some simple point trying to convince Shep".

Synthetics will always destroy organics is not pure unscrupulous logic. The Reapers are the ones trying to destroy organics this cycle. With the quarians, you cant even argue that they were trying to ascend them into a Reaper. They just flat out tried to exterminate them.

If they just left organics alone, the quarians would have destroyed the geth, but instead they interfered and upgraded the geth, giving them the capability to destroy the quarians.

Hell, even after that, its still possible to convince the quarians and geth to work together. Even with solid proof against his logic literally right in front of him, godchild continues to claim synthetics will eventually kill all organics.

Because it's one instance where the organics win/live in coexistence, but this doesn't account for every possibility. Just because it is a viable possibility that some race can create such synthetics is enough reason for them. Not allowing them to do so through either destruction or harvesting is just how they stop the possibility from becoming reality.
As long as that possibility exists the logic isn't flawed at all, as you also know from the previous game that the reaper would terminate the Geth after using them for that purpose. Also Harbinger states why certain species cannot be ascended or are unfit, they recognize their own technology can't do it while Humans with their genetic malleablitiy can be easily ascended. They even recognize they cannot use the Krogan because of the genophage and cannot use the Turians because they haven't evolved in the right direction for their technology, and as they see their technology superior they call them primitive.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

RoyalGambit wrote...

Been thinking about something lately.. what if the ending doesn't take place in Shepard's mind, but there's still an indoctrination plot going on? We, as the player, are deciding how the story ends. Destroy = Shepard wasn't indoctrinated - control/synth = Shepard was indoctrinated.
The renegade/paragon swap and the starchilds attempts to discourage destroy is the game testing the player, and depending on your choice, the game concludes differently.
I hope you guys get what I'm saying. What I like about this train of thought, is that it is a lot less risky way to end the game, making it a little more plausible in my mind, as opposed to releasing some kind of The Truth DLC.

Hmmm.. yeah.. at least that could be done without changing the ending. There would still be a sh*tload of plot holes and general strange stuff. But it least having ANY kind of IT in there makes it better.

[byne]

Critchley2010 wrote...

I think the ending was fascinating - it draws on several myths and theories about the cosmos. The indoctination just feels like a cop out, ignoring the the thought behind the story.

Oh and one more thing, just because someone disagrees with you does not make them a 'troll.' That is what forums like these are for, I'm sure you'd be pretty bored if it was 1600+ pages of people saying "yay you're right!"

So, like, did you play a different game than me? Because my endings were just multicolored explosions. Nothing about myths or theories about the cosmos.

And I personally didnt call you a troll, did I? I dont think I did, but if I did, I apologize.

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I also thought that it's possible that some people from a more advanced species had hidden there to protect themselves from the reapers, but that would contradict the reapers' apparent motivation, which is to leave the younger species alone, since they would be killing of absolutely everyone just to get a few hundred!

If you want actual irrefutable proof that the Reapers are lying about harvesting only the advanced species, you just have to look at the actual enemies called Harvesters.

They dont have spaceships, they dont even have any form of technology, they're just mindless animals, but the Reapers harvested them anyways.

There is a difference between being harvested, aka melted down and then infused in a new Reaper, and just being repurposed to fit their needs to harvest other species.

[Rifneno]

byne wrote...

Arrogant Mook #1825-H wrote...

If Shepherd was indoctrinated then the Prothean VI(s!) would have gone nuts and would have scarpered at the sight of him. End of.

Ok, I'm done explaining this one to people. From now on I'm going to sarcastically inform them that I've never once thought of this, and their brilliant insight has totally convinced me I was always wrong.

OH MY GOD! I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE PROTHEAN VIs! NOR HAS ANYONE ELSE IN THIS THREAD!

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO MY ATTENTION! I HAVE SEEN THE ERROR OF MY WAYS!

I wish we could have a script attached to the thread that makes it so in order to be flagged to post here, you have to type "I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROTHEANS WERE TAKEN DOWN FROM WITHIN BY INDOCTRINATED AGENTS. I REALIZE THAT THIS MEANS THEIR SCANNING TECHNIQUES PROBABLY WEREN'T PERFECT. I AM NOT A FRACTION AS SMART AS I THINK I AM IF I WAS GOING TO POST IN A 1600 PAGE THREAD LIKE I WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO REALIZE THIS."

estebanus wrote...

My point is, that the protheans didn't (as far as we know, at least) meddle in humanitys evolutionary progress. It's completely plausible that they may have abducted humans from time to time in order to be able to study them, but they didn't teach us humans stuff like agriculture, reading and so forth, like they did with the asari.

Tom Cruise disagrees.

[byne]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...


If you want actual irrefutable proof that the Reapers are lying about harvesting only the advanced species, you just have to look at the actual enemies called Harvesters.

They dont have spaceships, they dont even have any form of technology, they're just mindless animals, but the Reapers harvested them anyways.

There is a difference between being harvested, aka melted down and then infused in a new Reaper, and just being repurposed to fit their needs to harvest other species.

"We harvest advanced civilizations, leaving the younger ones alone." - Godchild

He straight up lies to your face.

[Sammuthegreat]

waldstr18 wrote...
so thats all one needs to do to be a troll these days? what am i applying to troll school for then? i think you should be a little more selective who you call a troll. that slightly sardonic post might reflect a lot of the disbelievers ones, but it makes them just that. disbelievers ... not trolls. if you think everyone who disagrees with you is a troll, actual trolls are the least of your problems. sounds to me like some of you are not sadisfied with their own life, so now they have to cling to some theory to make a game they like make sense again. its just a game, its just a theory, and as i said a lot of pages back, the ones calling the disbelievers trolls are usually the ones who didnt come up with one usefull clue to support the idt in the first place. they are just sheep following the theory as if it was a religion. and im sure if there was a remote beheading protocol over the internet, they would make use of it. just like the common religious nuts did back in the dark ages.

It's like the Biggie Smalls thing, only you only have to say "troll" once and one appears. And you don't need a mirror.

Given that you've made some sweeping, utterly unfounded and generally quite unpleasant assumptions about people's personal lives, I shouldn't really dignify this with a response, but one bit really stuck out at me:

the ones calling the disbelievers trolls are usually the ones who didnt come up with one usefull clue to support the idt in the first place

Damn it, I never showed Sir Isaac Newton that video of me dropping a ball from a height. I guess I can't believe in gravity any more.

*Floats off*

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...



Thanks for missunderstanding (read my last post), and I still think the IT can be true and would say it even is true. I am just saying this doesn't prove or disprove anything, but is often misused as it's only connected to the Guardian.
If you would think about it all as you claim you would have noticed you get this information earlier too.

I noticed I got the information from the Reaper on Rannoch, I just dont find it compelling.

If godchild is real, he controls the Reapers, and the one on Rannoch is just saying what godchild wants it to say. Just because his minions agree with his flawed logic doesnt make him right.

If godchild isnt real, Shepard just took the reasoning offered by one single Reaper (who, like all Reapers, is a nation, independent, free of all weakness), and applied it to godchild as well.

Godchild and the Reaper on Rannoch agreeing doesnt really mean anything.

That is exactly what my post says, and as I said: there are many who seem to just saw that in the ending but never noticed it before, thus misusing it. And it happened often enough in this thread alone for me writing that post.

[RoyalGambit]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

RoyalGambit wrote...

Been thinking about something lately.. what if the ending doesn't take place in Shepard's mind, but there's still an indoctrination plot going on? We, as the player, are deciding how the story ends. Destroy = Shepard wasn't indoctrinated - control/synth = Shepard was indoctrinated.
The renegade/paragon swap and the starchilds attempts to discourage destroy is the game testing the player, and depending on your choice, the game concludes differently.
I hope you guys get what I'm saying. What I like about this train of thought, is that it is a lot less risky way to end the game, making it a little more plausible in my mind, as opposed to releasing some kind of The Truth DLC.

Hmmm.. yeah.. at least that could be done without changing the ending. There would still be a sh*tload of plot holes and general strange stuff. But it least having ANY kind of IT in there makes it better.

That's very true. Personally I would hate to have the scene with Joker fleeing the Sol system be real, and I also dislike TIM being able to control Shepards body, But as you say, some IT is better than none at all, and it does seem to fit somewhat.

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

First time Garrus gave me a creeepy vibe. The heck is he starring at? lol

He is keeping watch for Shepard. One must be ever-vigilant.

OMG!

[Uncle Jo]

DarksBlade wrote...



3. oh i don't rule out the MP thing specially with the casino /trading card upgrade system (btw has anybody tested the 3 game playthru to see if you can get the breath yet i have 2-3 on ps3 so i can not 0

4. oh I always refer to him as the rejected FFXIII-2 character ( That EA bought for two cheap knock off N7 armour suits) and i hate him ( i personally think it would have been better if it was an "upgraded" Jacob  (hate him too) or miranda... with KL being the filler character if you Jacob died and you didn't romance/sway miranda)

5. i still blame EA  ... I mean come on realy how can you ex me to believe that a franchise the depends on repeat business and save imports said screw the fans we only care about new ppl .. it makes less senser then casper

I always hated Jacob aka "Mr. Glib" since ME2... He has as a much charisma as a seashell... I expected he could die in the "Cerberus Scientists Mission". The whole Galaxy is at war and he only wants children... But no, he survives against all odds...


You can blame them... They are in charge... Import saves make you eventually have:

1.  Wrex instead of Wreaw
2. Maelon instead of Mordin
3. the Rachni Queen instead of the Reaper-Rachni-Queen
4. Legion instead of Geth VI
5. same thing with the Quarian.

Cool isn't it ?

You can also create a ME3 Character, sc*** it up with the Geth, the Krogan, and skip most of the sidequests and still have enough EMS to get access to their "best red ending"... If you play enough MP.

I found it dumb to start playing ME3 without ME and ME2. They've made it possible...

[Rifneno]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Damn it, I never showed Sir Isaac Newton that video of me dropping a ball from a height. I guess I can't believe in gravity any more.

*Floats off*

My name is some stupid anagram for "inferno" and I support this sarcasm. 

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...


If you want actual irrefutable proof that the Reapers are lying about harvesting only the advanced species, you just have to look at the actual enemies called Harvesters.

They dont have spaceships, they dont even have any form of technology, they're just mindless animals, but the Reapers harvested them anyways.

There is a difference between being harvested, aka melted down and then infused in a new Reaper, and just being repurposed to fit their needs to harvest other species.

"We harvest advanced civilizations, leaving the younger ones alone." - Godchild

He straight up lies to your face.

It never said it wouldn't take some of the younger ones and repurpose them. It just says they don't harvest or annihilate them to extinction.