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[Big Bad]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

I still say that Shepard and co.  should find a way to sneak inside of Harbinger and detonate a thermonuclear weapon of some kind.  I mean, how cool would that be?!?  Granted, I don't know how they would destroy the other 10,000 or so Reaper capital ships, but those are just minor details to be worked out!

Hell yeah! Assuming they could resist to a hell of Indoctrination Attempt (we're talking about the inside of Harbinger)

Benezia was not Indoctrinated instantly even though she set foot inside Sovreign while he was still active. I think it would be quite feasible for a team which got inside to also get out without having to fear Indoctrination to much...except if they had prior contact to Indoctrination or spend days inside the Reaper.

Ok, I just had a thought about how this could (or could have) worked.  Let's say that the Crucible's real function is to send out some sort of signal that essentially "shuts down" the reapers.  For some reason, though, the signal has to be routed from the Crucible through Harbinger before it is broadcast.  Because of this, they need a team to get inside Harbinger and do some super futuristic fake science stuff to start the signal.

Here's the thing though - because Harbinger is broadcasting the signal, it is unable to shut him down.  Shepard has to find another way to defeat HB, thus enters the big ass bomb!  While this is going on, Joker and the fleet are having it out with the rest of the Reapers as they try to destroy the crucible.  Back on HB, the signal is sent out - but wait!  For some reason the bomb must be set off manually, so one of your team members has to stay onboard Harbinger and die with him.  Depending on your choices and EMS, this person might be you or you could pick somebody from your team.  That way, Shepard can either die a  hero or go home and have lots of blue babies!  Also, if Shepard does decide to stay and set off the bomb, perhaps your LI would refuse to leave.  Shepard could say goodbye to Joke over the comm, and then you and your LI would share a few heartwarming moments together as you say your final goodbyes, and then. . .BOOM!

I would not call this an original or even a particularly "good" ending, but I just came up with it off the top of my head, and  I daresay it's superior to the ending we got (assuming IT is false).   That kind of makes me depressed, actually. 

[Earthborn_Shepard]

schneeland wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
[...]

I should go.

Actually.. we should SO rewrite that song.

We're no strangers to lore

you know the rules and so do I

a full retcon's what I'm thinkin' of

you wouldn't get this from any EA guy

I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling

gotta make you understand

Never dare to give us up never dare to let us down

never dare to run around and desert us

never dare to make us cry never dare to say goodbye

never dare to tell a lie, THIS HURTS YOU


and we wouldn't even have to change the rest:
We've known each other for so long

your heart's been aching but you're too shy to say it

inside we both know what's been going on

we know the game and we're gonna play it

And if you ask me how I'm feeling

don't tell me you're too blind to see

Modifié par Earthborn_Shepard, 22 avril 2012 - 10:00 .

[lex0r11]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

[...]

Reminded me of this.

[Gorkan86]

Big Bad wrote...


I would not call this an original or even a particularly "good" ending, but I just came up with it off the top of my head, and  I daresay it's superior to the ending we got (assuming IT is false).   That kind of makes me depressed, actually. 

For some reason, the emotions evoked by this version of the ending are the same as on the original versions. And the same with yours.

[LelianaHawke]

The majority of the Reaper forces are at Earth though. Thats why they moved the Citadel there, since it was the best place to protect it. Take them out in one giant boom, then use the remainder of your fleets to clean up the Reapers in other parts of the galaxy.

That just replaces one railroad for another. If that were the way to destroy the reapers, nothing you do could keep the people on the Citadel or Earth alive.

That brings in problems of subsequent playthroughs knowing that doing  stuff on the Citadel is pointless because they're all going to die.

So the crux is I jut don't see how the indotrination theory improves the current endings. The proposed improvements amount to the same result.

Modifié par LelianaHawke, 22 avril 2012 - 10:09 .

[Uncle Jo]

LelianaHawke wrote...



So the crux is I jut don't see how the indotrination theory improves the current endings. The proposed improvements amount to the same result.

The IT does not improve the endings, cause Shep never made it to the beam. So there is no ending. But it does improve the coherence of the whole Citadel-sequence with the Starbrat. That's the credit I'm according to the IT.
Or you did buy the "Synthetics will always kill the organics" circular-logic ?

[Gorkan86]

Uncle Jo wrote...
Or you did buy the "Synthetics will always kill the organics" circular-logic ?

Javik thinks so.

[balance5050]

I.T. gave me the strength for multiple play-thru's.

[Spartas Husky]

Gorkan86 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...
Or you did buy the "Synthetics will always kill the organics" circular-logic ?

Javik thinks so.

Well Given that if I was attacked I would certainly have no quarrel in shooting the assailant. I can't say I am any different than the geth. Or any synthetic for that matter.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Ladieeees

I just thought of something
I read the thread where people discuss why Vendetta (the Prothean VI) knows kind of everything. Like, how could he know that the Citadel has been moved, or what TIM is doing right now.

And then I thought:
What if that's not a prothean VI at all.. but the Catalyst.
I mean.. the Catalyst apparently seems to be able to take on any form, as he was able to morph into the little boy.
He also does not appear to be bound to a place, since there's no cables or stuff, and he walks around freely on the platform at the ending.
And - it would solve one of the biggest problems of IT right now: Why the Prothean VI did not sense indoctrination in Shepard.
Because it didn't want him to know, duh.

[Uncle Jo]

Gorkan86 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...
Or you did buy the "Synthetics will always kill the organics" circular-logic ?

Javik thinks so.

LMAO
Javik believed also in ruling the galaxy through pure force, regardless what the others thought. It's a way of thinking, that I can respect...

[Gorkan86]

Spartas Husky wrote...
Well Given that if I was attacked I would certainly have no quarrel in shooting the assailant. I can't say I am any different than the geth. Or any synthetic for that matter.

Synthetics can coexist with the organics, but in the future, no one is safe from the fact that the machine will understand its purpose.

[lex0r11]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Ladieeees

I just thought of something
I read the thread where people discuss why Vendetta (the Prothean VI) knows kind of everything. Like, how could he know that the Citadel has been moved, or what TIM is doing right now.

And then I thought:
What if that's not a prothean VI at all.. but the Catalyst.
I mean.. the Catalyst apparently seems to be able to take on any form, as he was able to morph into the little boy.
He also does not appear to be bound to a place, since there's no cables or stuff, and he walks around freely on the platform at the ending.
And - it would solve one of the biggest problems of IT right now: Why the Prothean VI did not sense indoctrination in Shepard.
Because it didn't want him to know, duh.

I think i need a drink now.

[Gorkan86]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Javik believed also in ruling the galaxy through pure force, regardless what the others thought. It's a way of thinking, that I can respect...

Do not believed. They did this.
They ruled the galaxy through pure force.
The form of control the galaxy is not related to the relationship to the synthetics.

Modifié par Gorkan86, 22 avril 2012 - 10:38 .

[Dwailing]

lex0r11 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Ladieeees

I just thought of something
I read the thread where people discuss why Vendetta (the Prothean VI) knows kind of everything. Like, how could he know that the Citadel has been moved, or what TIM is doing right now.

And then I thought:
What if that's not a prothean VI at all.. but the Catalyst.
I mean.. the Catalyst apparently seems to be able to take on any form, as he was able to morph into the little boy.
He also does not appear to be bound to a place, since there's no cables or stuff, and he walks around freely on the platform at the ending.
And - it would solve one of the biggest problems of IT right now: Why the Prothean VI did not sense indoctrination in Shepard.
Because it didn't want him to know, duh.

I think i need a drink now.

Agreed.  I'm still not 21, but if I were, I think a beer would be in order.  James would be buying. 

[Uncle Jo]

Gorkan86 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Javik believed also in ruling the galaxy through pure force, regardless what the others thought. It's a way of thinking, that I can respect...

Do not believed. They did this.
They ruled the galaxy through pure force.

But they lose in the end...

[Dwailing]

Gorkan86 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Javik believed also in ruling the galaxy through pure force, regardless what the others thought. It's a way of thinking, that I can respect...

Do not believed. They did this.
They ruled the galaxy through pure force.

Yes, but we ALL saw how well that worked out. (cough) it didn't (cough)

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Dwailing wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Ladieeees

I just thought of something
I read the thread where people discuss why Vendetta (the Prothean VI) knows kind of everything. Like, how could he know that the Citadel has been moved, or what TIM is doing right now.

And then I thought:
What if that's not a prothean VI at all.. but the Catalyst.
I mean.. the Catalyst apparently seems to be able to take on any form, as he was able to morph into the little boy.
He also does not appear to be bound to a place, since there's no cables or stuff, and he walks around freely on the platform at the ending.
And - it would solve one of the biggest problems of IT right now: Why the Prothean VI did not sense indoctrination in Shepard.
Because it didn't want him to know, duh.

I think i need a drink now.

Agreed.  I'm still not 21, but if I were, I think a beer would be in order.  James would be buying. 

One of the many benefits of living in Europe. I drink to that.

[NoSpin]

This thread is almost at 1700 pages. THAT is a statement right there.

[MaximizedAction]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Ladieeees

I just thought of something
I read the thread where people discuss why Vendetta (the Prothean VI) knows kind of everything. Like, how could he know that the Citadel has been moved, or what TIM is doing right now.

And then I thought:
What if that's not a prothean VI at all.. but the Catalyst.
I mean.. the Catalyst apparently seems to be able to take on any form, as he was able to morph into the little boy.
He also does not appear to be bound to a place, since there's no cables or stuff, and he walks around freely on the platform at the ending.
And - it would solve one of the biggest problems of IT right now: Why the Prothean VI did not sense indoctrination in Shepard.
Because it didn't want him to know, duh.

Then the identity of the Catalyst has two possibilies of which I accept only one:

a) The Catalyst/Vendetta is a being of light, something alive and existing OR
The Catalyst/Vendetta is a result of indoctrination and does not control the Reapers but the other way around.

The first one would be HORRIBLE!
Because it would be exactly that we hate about the current ending: it means Bioware DID introduce a deus ex machina right at the end of the trilogy as some sort of god. Bläärgh

The second one is better and DOES solve the big problem in IT: if Shep is indoctrinated why doesn't Vendetta say something and know so much about what's going on. Even more: it would imply that EVERYONE is a victim of indoctrination, since everyone sees Vendetta.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 22 avril 2012 - 10:43 .

[Gorkan86]

Uncle Jo wrote...
But they lose in the end...

Like millions of cycles before them.
You missing the point.
I gave an example of Javik as being knowledgeable about the true nature of synthetics.

[lex0r11]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Ladieeees

I just thought of something
I read the thread where people discuss why Vendetta (the Prothean VI) knows kind of everything. Like, how could he know that the Citadel has been moved, or what TIM is doing right now.

And then I thought:
What if that's not a prothean VI at all.. but the Catalyst.
I mean.. the Catalyst apparently seems to be able to take on any form, as he was able to morph into the little boy.
He also does not appear to be bound to a place, since there's no cables or stuff, and he walks around freely on the platform at the ending.
And - it would solve one of the biggest problems of IT right now: Why the Prothean VI did not sense indoctrination in Shepard.
Because it didn't want him to know, duh.

I think i need a drink now.

Agreed.  I'm still not 21, but if I were, I think a beer would be in order.  James would be buying. 

One of the many benefits of living in Europe. I drink to that.

What's the age requirement for beer in Germany right now? 16? Being 22 doesn't matter anything over here unless it's about something criminal.

[Uncle Jo]

Gorkan86 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...
But they lose in the end...

Like millions of cycles before them.
You missing the point.
I gave an example of Javik as being knowledgeable about the true nature of synthetics.

Just because it already happened, doesn't give you the right to think that it'll always be like this. Think about EDI or the Geth. Or did you wipe them out ?

[Earthborn_Shepard]

lex0r11 wrote...




What's the age requirement for beer in Germany right now? 16? Being 22 doesn't matter anything over here unless it's about something criminal.

Beer and wine : 16
everything else : 18

[Gorkan86]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Just because it already happened, doesn't give you the right to think that it'll always be like this. Think about EDI or the Geth. Or did you wipe them out ?

But it would not hurt to be safe.
I did not choose the destruction of synthetics, who am I to decide whom to live and who will die.