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What's the age requirement for beer in Germany right now? 16? Being 22 doesn't matter anything over here unless it's about something criminal.


Beer and wine : 16
everything else : 18


With result of every third male drinking too much, according to a recent study...

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Earthborn_Shepard

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

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What's the age requirement for beer in Germany right now? 16? Being 22 doesn't matter anything over here unless it's about something criminal.


Beer and wine : 16
everything else : 18


With result of every third male drinking too much, according to a recent study...


Yeah, and girls between 11 and 14 usually being drunk almost every weekend.

in the words of jack: if you can't handle alcohol, stay away from it :P

#41728
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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

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What's the age requirement for beer in Germany right now? 16? Being 22 doesn't matter anything over here unless it's about something criminal.


Beer and wine : 16
everything else : 18


Hmm, yeah.

Guess we never really paid attention to that growing up.

:whistle:

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Uncle Jo wrote...

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But they lose in the end...


Like millions of cycles before them.
You missing the point.
I gave an example of Javik as being knowledgeable about the true nature of synthetics.

Just because it already happened, doesn't give you the right to think that it'll always be like this. Think about EDI or the Geth. Or did you wipe them out ?


I think the idea is that it 's not ALWAYS (and presumably isn't)  like this. HOWEVER, all it takes is one synthetic race that truely view organics as the enemy and that's it. Organics gone forever. Assuming the Reapers need organic life (for whatever reason, food, reproduction) then allowing them to build synthetics is an accident just waiting to happen. (and, since they live for a much longer time than us, they would view even the smallest possibility as eventually inevitable)

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Gorkan86 wrote...

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Just because it already happened, doesn't give you the right to think that it'll always be like this. Think about EDI or the Geth. Or did you wipe them out ?


But it would not hurt to be safe.
I did not choose the destruction of synthetics, who am I to decide whom to live and who will die.

I don't know.. maybe the Starbrat ? Just kidding...
If you believe what Javik said and think that the synthetics are a potential threat, you have to be consequent...

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SS2Dante wrote...


I think the idea is that it 's not ALWAYS (and presumably isn't)  like this. HOWEVER, all it takes is one synthetic race that truely view organics as the enemy and that's it. Organics gone forever. Assuming the Reapers need organic life (for whatever reason, food, reproduction) then allowing them to build synthetics is an accident just waiting to happen. (and, since they live for a much longer time than us, they would view even the smallest possibility as eventually inevitable)



IMO what Mass Effect tried to teach us all along our journey, is that live together is possible, although we are different... That's why I find the circular logic of Bryan incompatible with the rest of the story...

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@epyon

don't know if you're here buddy, but i've found another vent (since you said that the warning sign COULD BE vent exclusive). The ine liara crawls out from in mars. well, no warning sign on it.

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Uncle Jo wrote...

I don't know.. maybe the Starbrat ? Just kidding...
If you believe what Javik said and think that the synthetics are a potential threat, you have to be consequent...


Javik characterizes the classical course of thought of synthetics. I cant disagree with him, his logic is clear at 100 percent. But Geths thinks diferent. And  EDI too.

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On mars..sorry

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Got a problem with the ending? Throw it out the airlock!

Modifié par Uwe211, 22 avril 2012 - 11:02 .


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Oh god.. we're being hacked! Quick, EDI!

#41737
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WTF is that?

#41738
lex0r11

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What is it with these long addresses from time to time?

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Troll sighted

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Oh, its prothean, dont you understand? :)

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lex0r11 wrote...

What is it with these long addresses from time to time?


That happened to me when I tried to post a pic without the BBCode mode.

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lex0r11 wrote...

What is it with these long addresses from time to time?


Happened to me once, it can occur when trying to post a picture
though my headcanon is Cerberus trying to hack into the forum

Modifié par Earthborn_Shepard, 22 avril 2012 - 11:03 .


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MaximizedAction wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

What is it with these long addresses from time to time?


That happened to me when I tried to post a pic without the BBCode mode.


Right...sorry for that...I hate to forget it -.-

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Uncle Jo wrote...

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I think the idea is that it 's not ALWAYS (and presumably isn't)  like this. HOWEVER, all it takes is one synthetic race that truely view organics as the enemy and that's it. Organics gone forever. Assuming the Reapers need organic life (for whatever reason, food, reproduction) then allowing them to build synthetics is an accident just waiting to happen. (and, since they live for a much longer time than us, they would view even the smallest possibility as eventually inevitable)



IMO what Mass Effect tried to teach us all along our journey, is that live together is possible, although we are different... That's why I find the circular logic of Bryan incompatible with the rest of the story...


Certainly, but that's from a human perspective. The starchilds motivations and reasons are plausible to himself (and, hell, from the numbers, he's probably "right" in the long run). Ancient living computer thinks differently from us. Different values. Like Azimovs zeroeth law.

In fact, I suppose having a relatable ancient living computer would be weirder than having one we don't understand.

Ok, on theming (not very related, but I was thinking on it today). About the dreams. Without IT they seem kind of...meaningless? I mean, ok, PTSD, but even literally the dreams are clear foreshadowing of some inner conflict of Shepard, even if it's just fear of failure/giant alien squids. But, taken literally, this thread is never resolved. Shepard doesn't really deal with these issues and it's not brought up again, thematically or otherwise, after the final dream.

Or at least that's my take on it. Did you feel the dream arc was resolved/went anywhere?

(I of course don't need to point out why IT resolves this issue)

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Troll sighted


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Hope it's not a false alarm.

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lex0r11 wrote...

What is it with these long addresses from time to time?


People trying to post images in data:image form, the links are obnoxiously long as they are not part of an actual link to a website like normal pictures but forced loading straight into the website. (not even turning off images stops them from loading, like using google video search) Really annoying, the person just failed at posting it correctly.

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About the dreams.


Dreams is what they always have been. In this case, it's just nightmares, Shepard severe stress, it is not getting enough sleep too. I had dreams of far worse. And all because of nerves.

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SS2Dante wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...


I think the idea is that it 's not ALWAYS (and presumably isn't)  like this. HOWEVER, all it takes is one synthetic race that truely view organics as the enemy and that's it. Organics gone forever. Assuming the Reapers need organic life (for whatever reason, food, reproduction) then allowing them to build synthetics is an accident just waiting to happen. (and, since they live for a much longer time than us, they would view even the smallest possibility as eventually inevitable)



IMO what Mass Effect tried to teach us all along our journey, is that live together is possible, although we are different... That's why I find the circular logic of Bryan incompatible with the rest of the story...


Certainly, but that's from a human perspective. The starchilds motivations and reasons are plausible to himself (and, hell, from the numbers, he's probably "right" in the long run). Ancient living computer thinks differently from us. Different values. Like Azimovs zeroeth law.

In fact, I suppose having a relatable ancient living computer would be weirder than having one we don't understand.

Ok, on theming (not very related, but I was thinking on it today). About the dreams. Without IT they seem kind of...meaningless? I mean, ok, PTSD, but even literally the dreams are clear foreshadowing of some inner conflict of Shepard, even if it's just fear of failure/giant alien squids. But, taken literally, this thread is never resolved. Shepard doesn't really deal with these issues and it's not brought up again, thematically or otherwise, after the final dream.

Or at least that's my take on it. Did you feel the dream arc was resolved/went anywhere?

(I of course don't need to point out why IT resolves this issue)



When I see the current quality of the dialogues and story-telling and compare them to ME1 and 2, then I can only think that the dreams of Shep are just... dreams. A pathetical way from the devs to emphasize the melodramatic tone of the game... Assuming the IT is false...
There are not just issues about the ending. The whole game feels rushed and "jersey-shored".

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lex0r11 wrote...

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Troll sighted


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Hope it's not a false alarm.

I just read that it was a technical problem (BBCode). My apologies.

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Gorkan86 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

About the dreams.


Dreams is what they always have been. In this case, it's just nightmares, Shepard severe stress, it is not getting enough sleep too. I had dreams of far worse. And all because of nerves.


You had dreams worse than dead people whispering to you? Damn.

youtu.be/q4pqgBw_exw