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n00bsauce2010 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

soooo... Kingdoms of Amalur is amazing.


The story moves at a snail's pace. The people that are alive either don't know or they speak in riddles, and those that could know and thus you are told to find wound up dead every time. Now whenever they tell me to go find someone because he might have answers, I'm already thinking, "how are they going to kill this character before I show up?"<_<


gameplay is brilliant though.. you can't argue that it tops any western rpg.


Oi!  Give ME3 some credit, its gameplay is just as good as almost any third-person shooter on the market.  Gears of War is the obvious exception, although I would say ME3 gives even GoW a run for its money.  Plus, ME3 has a better story. (Although I've heard some really good things about GoW3's story, too) 

Edit: I have played GoW1&2, BTW.  They were both great games, and GoW2 had a pretty good story, too.

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Dwailing wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

soooo... Kingdoms of Amalur is amazing.


The story moves at a snail's pace. The people that are alive either don't know or they speak in riddles, and those that could know and thus you are told to find wound up dead every time. Now whenever they tell me to go find someone because he might have answers, I'm already thinking, "how are they going to kill this character before I show up?"<_<


gameplay is brilliant though.. you can't argue that it tops any western rpg.


Oi!  Give ME3 some credit, its gameplay is just as good as almost any third-person shooter on the market.  Gears of War is the obvious exception, although I would say ME3 gives even GoW a run for its money.  Plus, ME3 has a better story. (Although I've heard some really good things about GoW3's story, too) 

Edit: I have played GoW1&2, BTW.  They were both great games, and GoW2 had a pretty good story, too.


I was very surprised when I was playing GoW3 and ran into FemShep with an accent leading a group of Stranded.

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byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

soooo... Kingdoms of Amalur is amazing.


The story moves at a snail's pace. The people that are alive either don't know or they speak in riddles, and those that could know and thus you are told to find wound up dead every time. Now whenever they tell me to go find someone because he might have answers, I'm already thinking, "how are they going to kill this character before I show up?"<_<


gameplay is brilliant though.. you can't argue that it tops any western rpg.


Oi!  Give ME3 some credit, its gameplay is just as good as almost any third-person shooter on the market.  Gears of War is the obvious exception, although I would say ME3 gives even GoW a run for its money.  Plus, ME3 has a better story. (Although I've heard some really good things about GoW3's story, too) 

Edit: I have played GoW1&2, BTW.  They were both great games, and GoW2 had a pretty good story, too.


I was very surprised when I was playing GoW3 and ran into FemShep with an accent leading a group of Stranded.


Wow, that's pretty cool.  I really need to get GoW3.

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I've never cared for Gears of War. If I wanted to play Warhammer, I'd get out my minis and BURN THE HERETIC! KILL THE MUTANT! PURGE THE UNCLEAN!

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 23 avril 2012 - 03:26 .


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OK, I'm done for the night. See you all later.

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Westren RPGs go I think I consider Might and Magic World of Xeen to be the best of the bunch. But that's me.

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Domanese wrote...

Westren RPGs go I think I consider Might and Magic World of Xeen to be the best of the bunch. But that's me.


For me, Arcanum would definitely be in my top 5. Kotor too most likely.

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This thread is decelerating :(

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Not as much new info to pour over...

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HellishFiend wrote...

Not as much new info to pour over...

wwwwweeeeeee.....hhhhhaaaaaaavvvveeeee....lllllessss....ssssssssssssseeeectetttssssssss.....
tttttooooooo......pppppppooooouuuuurrrr.....oooovvvvveerrrrr

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 23 avril 2012 - 05:51 .


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Whoop. sorry for that deceleration there.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
And yes, Mass Effect has traditionally been as accurate scientifically as possible. Quantum entanglers? Those are a thing. That ridiculous sounding description of the javelin rifle? Scientifically solid (and utterly terrifying). Dark energy, ripping everything apart? Also a thing. They make up new stuff when necessary for the sake of being able to tell a sci-fi story (like eezo), but they try to keep things as believable as possible. IIRC, they even had astronomy experts consult to make sure their space science was as solid as the sci-fi nature of the story allowed. So they wouldn't have Shepard survive 4 different absolute certain deaths, two of which that would have utterly vaporized a human body.


Even the concept of Eezo (a material formed of atoms so densely packed with Neutrons as to have pushed out the protons and electrons) is solid too. It's what neutron stars are made of, Thanix Magnetic Hydromatic Cannons? Those exist too, they're an experimental new munition DARPA is working on, the Normandy's stealth systems/ Terminus Armor's Stealth Systems? Making their heat signature invisible? They're working on that too. And absolutely agree about the Javelin, thing scares the ****** outta me.


Yep! That's what I love about ME. It's always shocking to find how much of the crazy sci-fi stuff is rooted in real, if theoretical, science. They're not just making up teleporters and crap. Seriously, this series has taught me more about science than most grades did. Almost everything I know about astronomy now I learned reading about ME or researching to formulate theories on stuff in the game (like the supergiant behind TIM).

Ahh, it's been a hell of a ride.

3. You CAN play ME3 with no multiplayer and get 4000 EMS (enough to see the scene if you save Anderson)... if you played the other two games, it IS technically true. Technically.


Are you 100% positive on that? I've heard from several people that I consider trustworthy that the math just doesn't add up. All the war assets are currently known, I'd think the list of "best possible" would be well known if it was past 8k.

... Annnd now I just got to the post where I found out why. LOL.

byne wrote...

I mean, each promotion gives you 75 war asset points.


It's hilarious that promoting a single character is worth more than any single dreadnought, including the Destiny Ascension.

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So I was right in the end. It's impossible to get the 8000 EMS without playing MP... MP is maybe a lot of fun, but to think it has a direct influence on the SP-game AND the ending (not like your own choices from ME1, ME2, ME3), that's really a shame...


Agreed, and I'm trying to finish this post quicker so I can get back to MP.

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It also is a direct contradiction of how Bioware said you didnt have to play multiplayer to get the best ending. The lies are really starting to add up.


How many of the lies are about the ending though? The great majority of them, really. And we're theorizing that the ending isn't really the ending so... actually I'm kind of glad for them.

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I love how three melee's gets you into hype mode.


Don't love it too much. It's broken on vanguards. You get the eye rape, but that's it. Other benefits of blood rage aren't applied.

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Ooh, I just had a thought. Wrex vs. Tex. Who would win? I personally think it might go like Wrex vs. Aleena Aria.


Fixed.

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 Listen up you guys, you have three choices.

I can artificially increase the amount of debate and discussion on this thread right now, by taking control of a new topic.

I can encourage the synthesis of ideas and speculate on what would happen if the ending was taken as literal.

Or I can destroy a few theories in favor of the literal ending by bumping evidence that wasn't discussed in detail.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 23 avril 2012 - 06:08 .


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Yo, Rifneno, good to see ya back.

Still figuring out one thing though. Anyone know if there is a scientific backing for Javik's "I can sense things about rooms and stuff cause experience is a biological marker" thing? Cause it's kinda striking me as bull****.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

 Listen up you guys, you have three choices.

I can artificially increase the amount of debate and discussion on this thread right now, by taking control of a new topic.

I can encourage the synthesis of ideas and speculate on what would happen if the ending was taken as literal.

Or I can destroy a few theories in favor of the literal ending by bumping evidence that wasn't discussed in detail.


I'd like to see all three.

I have an EMS of 10000 Is that enough?

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EpyonX3 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

 Listen up you guys, you have three choices.

I can artificially increase the amount of debate and discussion on this thread right now, by taking control of a new topic.

I can encourage the synthesis of ideas and speculate on what would happen if the ending was taken as literal.

Or I can destroy a few theories in favor of the literal ending by bumping evidence that wasn't discussed in detail.


I'd like to see all three.

I have an EMS of 10000 Is that enough?


Im sorry, it is not possible to get an EMS of 10000, you must have used the console to cheat, and now your save files are corrupted.

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Ok in all seriousness (right...)

Option 1: I link to my old theory on the Reaper's creation and we discuss their motives/origins.
Option 2: I mention my theory on what the original intended ending before IDT was decided on was.
Option 3: I bump some old evidence we didn't discuss enough.

So, which do you guys want? Can't do all three at once, gotta save some for slow days, and besides, we don't wanna just bury it again.

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I'd take the red option :P

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Seriously now, I'd like you to discuss the reaper's motives/origins :D

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 Alright, alright, fine, spoiled brats. :P

I'll go dig up the evidence I was talking about.

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Dwailing wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

soooo... Kingdoms of Amalur is amazing.


The story moves at a snail's pace. The people that are alive either don't know or they speak in riddles, and those that could know and thus you are told to find wound up dead every time. Now whenever they tell me to go find someone because he might have answers, I'm already thinking, "how are they going to kill this character before I show up?"<_<


gameplay is brilliant though.. you can't argue that it tops any western rpg.


Oi!  Give ME3 some credit, its gameplay is just as good as almost any third-person shooter on the market.  Gears of War is the obvious exception, although I would say ME3 gives even GoW a run for its money.  Plus, ME3 has a better story. (Although I've heard some really good things about GoW3's story, too) 

Edit: I have played GoW1&2, BTW.  They were both great games, and GoW2 had a pretty good story, too.


I have played GoW1 and 2 and I was not impressed by the third games story. A little to predictable at times and left some of the questions set up from the second game unanswered (and removed the obvius way to answer them in any future DLC or games)

Still good game just for the gameplay.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Yo, Rifneno, good to see ya back.

Still figuring out one thing though. Anyone know if there is a scientific backing for Javik's "I can sense things about rooms and stuff cause experience is a biological marker" thing? Cause it's kinda striking me as bull****.


I, uhh, I recognize it. Kind of. Not going to argue the BS part. It's one of the theories behind ghost-related paranormal phenomenon. Occasionally they'd get a case that was hard to explain by any of the usual rational explanations like people knowing something they couldn't possibly have known. So rather than go with the "DEAD HAVE RISEN FROM THE GRAVE OMGZ!" drivel, they threw together a theory to explain it. They think strong emotions or feelings can leave an imprint on the nearby enviorment or an object and that some people (often children) are sensitive enough to it to get something out of it.

AFAIK the theory has no evidence suggesting it other than "it's the best we can come up with". And admittedly I can't come up with anything better for the 0.3% of cases that rational causes are pretty much ruled out, but I prefer to just shrug and say "hell if I know" than propagate some theory with nothing remotely solid behind it.

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I have played GoW1 and 2 and I was not impressed by the third games story. A little to predictable at times and left some of the questions set up from the second game unanswered (and removed the obvius way to answer them in any future DLC or games)


GoW had a story?

Also, they really should've went with the "other realms' gods invading" thing instead. Or pretty much anything except the armageddon crap they went with.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Yo, Rifneno, good to see ya back.

Still figuring out one thing though. Anyone know if there is a scientific backing for Javik's "I can sense things about rooms and stuff cause experience is a biological marker" thing? Cause it's kinda striking me as bull****.


I don't know, I think it depends on how technical you want to get. You could take someone and do a litany of tests (full body CTs, Toxicology, biopsies, blood panels) and probably come to a vague idea of that persons experiences (substance abuse issues, injury history, disease history). Just like you could swab the floor of the cargo hold and do some DNA testing and see a Krogan lived there and do a Western blot to see which proteins are active (and see the krogan was in puberty). You could also probably sample someones sweat (maybe, blood would be better) and identify levels of certain hormones that are indicators of stress.

But at the same time, the "experience is a biological marker" sounds a little like a take off of homeopathy and "water-memory" which is ridiculous.

I don't recall Javik's exact claims though, so it's hard for me to say. I do recall feeling like they were ascribing DNA with qualities it doesn't have.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Yo, Rifneno, good to see ya back.

Still figuring out one thing though. Anyone know if there is a scientific backing for Javik's "I can sense things about rooms and stuff cause experience is a biological marker" thing? Cause it's kinda striking me as bull****.


Scientific backing... Well something to compare it to in our world is a shark's sixth sense. I'm no marine biologist (surprise!) but it has something to do pores inside the shark's face that allow it to track electricity given off by other organic sea life, or perhaps anything that happens to have some kind of electric field. Aside from having I forget how many teeth It makes them very efficient hunters. We can speculate that if sharks were to evolve into a huminoid like species this ability would evolve with them, maybe allowing them to connect to each other through electric waves. We can further speculate that if this huminoid Shark species developed technology, it could largely exploit this ability,

Javik mentions that protheans developed as hunters, being able to read the environment, everything leaving some kind of mark on what it's touched. This trait was later exploited and incorporated into their technology, such as the beacons.

EDIT: Oh! And I'd love to see option 3: bring up old evidence we haven't yet discussed.

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Thanks, that's kind of the concept I was expecting to face. But hey, better than nothing. Who knows? Maybe in my research I might find something to substatitate that. But probably not.

Anywho, my intellectual stimulus and conversation/theory package is ready with lots of evidence and my own personal theory to discuss. But... it's a big un'. Sure you guys aren't just gonna bury it this time? I went to a lot of trouble to dig all these quotes up.

Anywho, wide load coming through.