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[DiTHmaphacks]

Does just before entering the beam shooting with a weapon a million times and not needing to reload make it a hallucination?

Modifié par DiTHmaphacks, 12 mars 2012 - 12:09 .

[TamiBx]

GuiltySource wrote...

Don't know if this is a bug, wishful thinking or what. But before the mission to attack TIM's base, 3 new systems appear on the Galaxy map, you can't enter them though and they have no names.

Probably just a bug though.

Omg, the same happened to me! Though for me it happened between Thessia and the Cerberus Base invadion. I thought it had been a system that I missed before, but I was sure I had scanned every single one until then...

[Giskler]

Has anyone seen EDI come out of the Normandy after picking the red ending? If so that would completely invalidate what the godchild is telling Shepard.

[Rifneno]

Why was Anderson even there? Was he part of the charge at the end? I don't see why he would be. If for no other reason than the fact he's an old man and old men don't sprint so well. He certainly didn't make it to the beam first, yet he's already up there when Shepard gets there. Come to think of it, there's no good reason for TIM to be there either.

And I'm sure this has been pointed out many times, but Anderson mentions seeing the walls changing shape. The only other time we hear something like that is from the scientists on the derelict Reaper as they were being indoctrinated.

[eclipso621]

Anyone have the space edition of the game... Wasn't that one supposed to be special? Maybe that had the full ending... Ya know if we don't...

[TamiBx]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

The pop up after the credits also annoyed the heck out of me.

"Your princess is in another castle! Now buy more DLC!"
"You just have been RickRoll'd! *video plays* Now buy more DLC!"

When is ME3 coming out in Japan? 15th? We need some clarification from BioWare on this topic.

I'm in Japan but I have no idea. I had it shipped from Amazon.

Yes, the 15th. But if you're in the US, it would be on the 14th for you 
the beauty of time zones~

[Dilandau3000]

DiTHmaphacks wrote...

Does just before entering the beam shooting with a weapon a million times and not needing to reload make it a hallucination?

That's just a gameplay concession. During the introduction, before the point where Anderson says he's out of ammo, you don't need to reload either. So unless you want to argue the entire game is a hallucination, that argument doesn't count.

[HunterKYA]

 If hallucination/indoctrination was the reason for the ending, Bioware has unleashed the biggest mind**** ever.  To make the vast majority of its fans believe that they, Bioware, released an ill-conceived ending to ME3 to flip the whole series on its head, by disillusioning people into believing they, the player, no longer had the freedom of choice.  When in truth, all Bioware wanted the player to do was think thoroughly, of ALL the choices they'd made over the course of three games, and then make the ultimate decision at the game's conclusion.  If they made the correct choice, Shepard will live and the Reaper's hold on Shepard's mind will be broken forever.

Modifié par HunterKYA, 12 mars 2012 - 12:23 .

[Dilandau3000]

Rifneno wrote...

Why was Anderson even there? Was he part of the charge at the end? I don't see why he would be. If for no other reason than the fact he's an old man and old men don't sprint so well. He certainly didn't make it to the beam first, yet he's already up there when Shepard gets there. Come to think of it, there's no good reason for TIM to be there either.

We don't know how long Shepard was out. There may have been time for Anderson to get there. And knowing Anderson, he'd want to be part of the final charge, old man or not. And someone said TIM went to the Citadel during the Cerberus Base mission, though how he got to be in the core with Shepard and Anderson I don't know.

[NKato]

Why are people suggesting that they'll pay money for a proper ending in DLC?

What the HELL are you people smoking? We already paid $60+ for this.

I paid $80! Seriously. I paid eighty dollars for a collector's edition and I wanted a proper ending that I could finally walk away from the Mass Effect franchise with a satisfied feeling in my gut, like having a great thanksgiving dinner. Especially after having been with the franchise since the first game...

But the ending just felt like a kick to the nuts and a punch to the gut. I'm not spending more money on DLC just to get the feeling or desired result out of ME3's conclusion. That's just wrong. That's abusive on the part of Bioware and EA. Not to mention, it's bad form in writing - when you finish a story, you finish it properly, or get the hell out of the house.

It doesn't matter if the ending was a hallunication or not, it was a stupid ending, and it completely trivialized the investment I made with the Mass Effect franchise. I played all three games. ME1, ME2, and ME3, with the same Shepard I've had since the beginning.

So, no. No. Screw you.

P.S. I really loved the Geth. No way in hell am I going to fry them.

P.P.S. Doing a mindf*ck would be better EARLIER in the game, or in one of the previous games - not right at the pivotal end. I like my endings cohesive, easy to understand and with enough information that lets me know I can walk away with satisfaction. I don't want psychological hooks keeping me wondering what's going on, because if that's done too much, I will inevitably decide it's not worth my time.

Modifié par NKato, 12 mars 2012 - 12:36 .

[Valk72]

Lugaidster wrote...
Liara is the best squadmate by far in any case, her and Garrus.

Yep, best all-around squad for any classes

[Daryst]

Just a small thing and this might have been said before or not. But could it be that TIM kept the control chip out of sheps head because he knew that he/she was already affected by the Reapers or that it might interfere with the tech that he put in? This already in preperation of the indoctrination of Shepard? if that happened at all...

Modifié par Daryst, 12 mars 2012 - 12:21 .

[Xenite]

DiTHmaphacks wrote...

Does just before entering the beam shooting with a weapon a million times and not needing to reload make it a hallucination?

Not to mention standing ontop of the Citadel in open space with no helmet....

[Ona Demonie]

eclipso621 wrote...

Anyone have the space edition of the game... Wasn't that one supposed to be special? Maybe that had the full ending... Ya know if we don't...

The Space Editions had the same exact endings.

[TamiBx]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

DiTHmaphacks wrote...

Does just before entering the beam shooting with a weapon a million times and not needing to reload make it a hallucination?

That's just a gameplay concession. During the introduction, before the point where Anderson says he's out of ammo, you don't need to reload either. So unless you want to argue the entire game is a hallucination, that argument doesn't count.

I actually thought that the reason why you have infinite ammo is like when we start the game. Maybe they just wanted us to focus on the story, rather than the gameplay/action itself. 

[Dilandau3000]

TamiBx wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...

DiTHmaphacks wrote...

Does just before entering the beam shooting with a weapon a million times and not needing to reload make it a hallucination?

That's just a gameplay concession. During the introduction, before the point where Anderson says he's out of ammo, you don't need to reload either. So unless you want to argue the entire game is a hallucination, that argument doesn't count.

I actually thought that the reason why you have infinite ammo is like when we start the game. Maybe they just wanted us to focus on the story, rather than the gameplay/action itself. 

That's exactly what I'm saying. Too bad it turns out it would've been better if they had tried their best to distract us from the story during the ending.

[Denethar]

TamiBx wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...

DiTHmaphacks wrote...

Does just before entering the beam shooting with a weapon a million times and not needing to reload make it a hallucination?

That's just a gameplay concession. During the introduction, before the point where Anderson says he's out of ammo, you don't need to reload either. So unless you want to argue the entire game is a hallucination, that argument doesn't count.

I actually thought that the reason why you have infinite ammo is like when we start the game. Maybe they just wanted us to focus on the story, rather than the gameplay/action itself. 

If I was them I'd have just thrown a massive boss at the whole thing to disguise the bad ending.

[Singu]

Another tip that the ending is a construct in Shepard's head is the fact that the voice of the catalyst is an amalgam of a kid, Jennifer Hale and Mark Meer reading them. Which could be interpreted that he/she is talking to her/himself.

[Bigdoser]

Don't forget one of the meaning's of crucible means severe test or trial so this also lends to the idea that harbinger is trying to indoctrinate shepard I mean the catalyst says that the destroy ending will kill you yet thats the only ending shepard can live in. Lets not forget there is no way shepard's body could survive re entry to earth so it must be shepard waking up from harby's laser.

[Dilandau3000]

Singu wrote...

Another tip that the ending is a construct in Shepard's head is the fact that the voice of the catalyst is an amalgam of a kid, Jennifer Hale and Mark Meer reading them. Which could be interpreted that he/she is talking to her/himself.

Or that the kid is a VI-like construct taking cues from Shepard's mind in how to show itself, which is probably why it appears as the kid in the first place (in the non-dream interpretation of the ending). I thought that was another way it was trying to dissuade us from taking the destroy option, by taking a form that is deliberately designed to remind Shepard of losses already suffered.

Modifié par Dilandau3000, 12 mars 2012 - 12:29 .

[Tashakov]

Dilandau3000 wrote...
We don't know how long Shepard was out. There may have been time for Anderson to get there. And knowing Anderson, he'd want to be part of the final charge, old man or not. And someone said TIM went to the Citadel during the Cerberus Base mission, though how he got to be in the core with Shepard and Anderson I don't know.

The real paradox is how Anderson specifically states that he "followed you up." Shepard was knocked out during the charge, and then limped to the beam with no one in sight... So either Anderson followed Shepard in the charge but made it to the *beam* first, or he didn't charge until everyone was dead and saw Shepard limping, running in to help.

The bigger question is where he even came from. There are no other doors, paths, or ramps in the control room.

[MrAtomica]

Singu wrote...

Another tip that the ending is a construct in Shepard's head is the fact that the voice of the catalyst is an amalgam of a kid, Jennifer Hale and Mark Meer reading them. Which could be interpreted that he/she is talking to her/himself.

Or that Shepard is engaged in a climactic struggle to retain control over his or her mind. If this is indeed an attempt at indoctrination by Harbinger, it would make a whole lot of sense. All of the peculiarities after getting lased seem to add up, to me, to Shepard no longer being in reality.

And this allows them to pretty much do whatever the majority of fans ask for for the ending. Even better, many have expressed the sentiment that they would buy new endings. Often for a far larger sum than would otherwise have been considered acceptable. I'm with them on that. This series means to much to me to let it go out like this.

[Rughalt]

I have been reading this discussion (I have skipped maybe 40 pages(?) so some of the things may be already covered) since yesterday (when I finished my first playtrough), and the longer I think about this, the more I think that, as it was said eariler, for the sake of fairness, Bioware did not include the full ending yet.

I don't believe 1M1 stuff, but the whole indoctrination idea and all the arguments supporting it seem valid (as I have also wondered why the hell the last part is so... different and weird). I've replayed ending sequence several times (even before reading this topic), and every time I have been more and more confused. The thing that really struck me as out of the place was TIM appearing from nowhere, and the similiarity to the ME1 end scene (it was so similiar I was expecting TIM to wake up and attack me). I will not talk about what happened after, because after going up the magical elevator, I just had "Oh, DX:HR again" even before the "Catalyst" appeared.

As for the current ending, I could easily accept them - if (and only if) there would be a proper epilogue - like in DX:HR.

As for the ending DLC i believe that the easier way - and the way I would do it would be forced patch - since it can be done on all platforms - but this also was probably said earlier.

Thanks for giving me something ineteresing to read, while I wait for Bioware to make it's move. Keep going~

[Dilandau3000]

adrianlocke647 wrote...
The bigger question is where he even came from. There are no other doors, paths, or ramps in the control room.

"The walls are shifting", remember. The path Anderson took could've been closed off to allow Shepard access.

[Sharrack]

Singu wrote...

Another tip that the ending is a construct in Shepard's head is the fact that the voice of the catalyst is an amalgam of a kid, Jennifer Hale and Mark Meer reading them. Which could be interpreted that he/she is talking to her/himself.

So he speaks with a forked tongue:D