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[SS2Dante]

Rifneno wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

How do you know for sure?
Prothean checked VI in peoples indoctrinated in varying degrees. They were advanced civilization, so should consider such things.

OH JESUS, NOT THIS CRAP AGAIN! 

THE CYCLE REPEATS FOREVER.

[Gorkan86]

Skillz1986 wrote...

Oh i forgot.

On the other side, there's you. and your argument againts indoctrination is,
Shepard is superman.
J know that's not exactly what you said, but it sums things up pretty much.
Now while we were gathering information and in game hints to answer your questions..your only counter is your awe concerning shepard. this is pretty weak buddy. and as far as i have noticed, it's starting to p**s people off.

You simply deny the facts. The events that took place actually in the game. But to blindly believe in the theory, evidence of which can be collected from the isolation and unrelated pieces.

I say this after reading the first page.

If my arguments annoy you can just skip them.

[Skillz1986]

@vahilor

I don't feel offended in the slightest, to be honest i thought i offended you. but now that we know that neither of us was offensive, here's a virtual beer to that. (i would love to insert a beer emoticon of some kind, but my phone won't have it that way)

[Skillz1986]

I have never said they annoy me. i actually don't give a damn since these are not arguments but oppinions, contradicting themselves on every turn. you are the one ignoring the facts, waving everything off by saying "shepar would never fail"..way to go my friend, way to go

[Vahilor]

@skillz

No didn't feel offended at all and thx to the beer.. cheers^^

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Gorkan86 wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Oh i forgot.

On the other side, there's you. and your argument againts indoctrination is,
Shepard is superman.
J know that's not exactly what you said, but it sums things up pretty much.
Now while we were gathering information and in game hints to answer your questions..your only counter is your awe concerning shepard. this is pretty weak buddy. and as far as i have noticed, it's starting to p**s people off.

You simply deny the facts. The events that took place actually in the game. But to blindly believe in the theory, evidence of which can be collected from the isolation and unrelated pieces.

I say this after reading the first page.

If my arguments annoy you can just skip them.

We deny what facts? We are citing describtions of Indoctrination relating them directly to the dreams Shepard has and given examples of how the child is ignored and defies logic.

You are simply saying Shepard is superman and god of willpower incapable of beeing affected by something which affects every other beeing in the entire galaxy. Your so called argument is that because we dont see the Indoctrination it never took place despite constant citations as to how Indoctrination works and comparisions to events in game.

Oh and about your agruments annoying us, well apprently I am annoying you quite alot since you dident adress even half of my arguments over the last few pages of discussion we had.

[Gorkan86]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

I amj gonna turn that question right around and slap you with it. If they could make VI´s cpabale of perfect Indoctrination detection then why did they not install it in every single VI? 

During the game, I only saw two of such VI. On a very important objects. 

[Skillz1986]

How was TIM able to get the information he neede from the vi. since you know, that thing had access to very important information and would never give it to indoctrinated people as you've said.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Gorkan86 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

I amj gonna turn that question right around and slap you with it. If they could make VI´s cpabale of perfect Indoctrination detection then why did they not install it in every single VI? 

During the game, I only saw two of such VI. On a very important objects. 

Oh yeah and both those times tehy react to a person who are completely Indoctrinated.

And oh gee I wonder why we cant find amny working VI´s from the Protheans time. It shouldnt have anything to do with the fact that they were systematically wiped out and their cities laid bare by the Reapers over 50.000 years ago! How much do we find here on earth form 50.000 years ago which is still recogniceable as its original state...and that is nnot even deleicate machinery we are talking about.

Also completely ignore the fact that Jarvik, a living Prothean said the Protheans were brought down by sleeper agents in their ranks, way to go for your argument <_<

[Skillz1986]

@gorkan86

Thinking of it, you're the real life conrad verner.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Gorkan86 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

I amj gonna turn that question right around and slap you with it. If they could make VI´s cpabale of perfect Indoctrination detection then why did they not install it in every single VI? 

During the game, I only saw two of such VI. On a very important objects. 

Since we're talking about the VI, I'd like to bring up something I said tonight: 

Maybe the Prothean VI (Vendetta) actually is the Catalyst.
Think about it, the Catalyst can actually morph into any form and walk around freely. It could feed Shep wrong information and not mention his indoctrination because he obviously wouldn't want Shepard to know.

[estebanus]

SS2Dante wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

How do you know for sure?
Prothean checked VI in peoples indoctrinated in varying degrees. They were advanced civilization, so should consider such things.

OH JESUS, NOT THIS CRAP AGAIN! 

THE CYCLE REPEATS FOREVER.

THE CYCLE CAN'T BE BROKEN.

[Gorkan86]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Oh i forgot.

On the other side, there's you. and your argument againts indoctrination is,
Shepard is superman.
J know that's not exactly what you said, but it sums things up pretty much.
Now while we were gathering information and in game hints to answer your questions..your only counter is your awe concerning shepard. this is pretty weak buddy. and as far as i have noticed, it's starting to p**s people off.

You simply deny the facts. The events that took place actually in the game. But to blindly believe in the theory, evidence of which can be collected from the isolation and unrelated pieces.

I say this after reading the first page.

If my arguments annoy you can just skip them.

We deny what facts? We are citing describtions of Indoctrination relating them directly to the dreams Shepard has and given examples of how the child is ignored and defies logic.

You are simply saying Shepard is superman and god of willpower incapable of beeing affected by something which affects every other beeing in the entire galaxy. Your so called argument is that because we dont see the Indoctrination it never took place despite constant citations as to how Indoctrination works and comparisions to events in game.

Oh and about your agruments annoying us, well apprently I am annoying you quite alot since you dident adress even half of my arguments over the last few pages of discussion we had.

For example the fact that the  prothean VI reveals  indoctrinated
persons, it is a fact he finds them.
You people say that it can only detect hard cases. Why are these guesses when there are facts?

I say that Shepard can have a great force of will, even reapers cant control him.  Why not? He still can be killed with a headshot for examle.
 It is my guess. 

You do not annoy me, I'm sorry that did not pay enough attention to everything you say. I will answer all questions if they arise.

[Gorkan86]

Skillz1986 wrote...

How was TIM able to get the information he neede from the vi. since you know, that thing had access to very important information and would never give it to indoctrinated people as you've said.

He was hacked, he said it. On the TIM base.

[Skillz1986]

But it is not guess. NONE of the vi's (not even vendetta) were able to detec the indoctrinated protheans. hence, their detection software is flawed..BIG TIME

[Skillz1986]

Just using your argument now:

But the protheans were an advanced culture, you should consider this. they must have had countermeasures for hacking.

[UrgentArchengel]

estebanus wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

How do you know for sure?
Prothean checked VI in peoples indoctrinated in varying degrees. They were advanced civilization, so should consider such things.

OH JESUS, NOT THIS CRAP AGAIN! 

THE CYCLE REPEATS FOREVER.

THE CYCLE CAN'T BE BROKEN.

CHOOSE A COLOR.

[DJBare]

Skillz1986 wrote...

But it is not guess. NONE of the vi's (not even vendetta) were able to detec the indoctrinated protheans. hence, their detection software is flawed..BIG TIME

Not to mention that Kai Leng is enhanced throughout his entire body with reaper tech, as far as I'm aware Shepard has no reaper tech in him/her unless someone can show otherwise?

[Gorkan86]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

I amj gonna turn that question right around and slap you with it. If they could make VI´s cpabale of perfect Indoctrination detection then why did they not install it in every single VI? 

During the game, I only saw two of such VI. On a very important objects. 

Oh yeah and both those times tehy react to a person who are completely Indoctrinated.

And oh gee I wonder why we cant find amny working VI´s from the Protheans time. It shouldnt have anything to do with the fact that they were systematically wiped out and their cities laid bare by the Reapers over 50.000 years ago! How much do we find here on earth form 50.000 years ago which is still recogniceable as its original state...and that is nnot even deleicate machinery we are talking about.

Also completely ignore the fact that Jarvik, a living Prothean said the Protheans were brought down by sleeper agents in their ranks, way to go for your argument <_<

Well, he determined that people have been indoctrinated, or what did you mean?

On the Earth did not find anything, but there is on Mars, Thessia, Ilos.

Yes Javik said so, that's a fact. But he did not say anything about specific VI that can determine indoctrinated. It is a fact.

Modifié par Gorkan86, 23 avril 2012 - 12:09 .

[estebanus]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

estebanus wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

How do you know for sure?
Prothean checked VI in peoples indoctrinated in varying degrees. They were advanced civilization, so should consider such things.

OH JESUS, NOT THIS CRAP AGAIN! 

THE CYCLE REPEATS FOREVER.

THE CYCLE CAN'T BE BROKEN.

CHOOSE A COLOR.

BLUE. NO, WAIT, RE-AHHHHHHHHHHH

(if you didn't notice, that was a Monty Python reference.)

[Skillz1986]

Oh and funny side note:

I think it's rather strange that vendetta tells shepard...a clearly not indoctrinated half deity (according to you), that it's "security protocols were overridden, i will comply". Why make that statementif you are not..to any degree indoctrinated?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Gorkan86 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Oh i forgot.

On the other side, there's you. and your argument againts indoctrination is,
Shepard is superman.
J know that's not exactly what you said, but it sums things up pretty much.
Now while we were gathering information and in game hints to answer your questions..your only counter is your awe concerning shepard. this is pretty weak buddy. and as far as i have noticed, it's starting to p**s people off.

You simply deny the facts. The events that took place actually in the game. But to blindly believe in the theory, evidence of which can be collected from the isolation and unrelated pieces.

I say this after reading the first page.

If my arguments annoy you can just skip them.

We deny what facts? We are citing describtions of Indoctrination relating them directly to the dreams Shepard has and given examples of how the child is ignored and defies logic.

You are simply saying Shepard is superman and god of willpower incapable of beeing affected by something which affects every other beeing in the entire galaxy. Your so called argument is that because we dont see the Indoctrination it never took place despite constant citations as to how Indoctrination works and comparisions to events in game.

Oh and about your agruments annoying us, well apprently I am annoying you quite alot since you dident adress even half of my arguments over the last few pages of discussion we had.

For example the fact that the  prothean VI reveals  indoctrinated
persons, it is a fact he finds them.
You people say that it can only detect hard cases. Why are these guesses when there are facts?

I say that Shepard can have a great force of will, even reapers cant control him.  Why not? He still can be killed with a headshot for examle.
 It is my guess. 

You do not annoy me, I'm sorry that did not pay enough attention to everything you say. I will answer all questions if they arise.

It is hard fact that the Protheans were brought down from the inside by Indoctrinated sleeper agents. It is stated by not only the VI, but also by Jarvik, you know the Prothean! An enmtire group who were arguing for trying to control the Reapers turned out to be Indoctrinated and no one ever had a clue.

If they had flawles detection of Indoctrination such things would according to all logic and commen sense not have been possible!

[UrgentArchengel]

estebanus wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

estebanus wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

How do you know for sure?
Prothean checked VI in peoples indoctrinated in varying degrees. They were advanced civilization, so should consider such things.

OH JESUS, NOT THIS CRAP AGAIN! 

THE CYCLE REPEATS FOREVER.

THE CYCLE CAN'T BE BROKEN.

CHOOSE A COLOR.

BLUE. NO, WAIT, RE-AHHHHHHHHHHH

(if you didn't notice, that was a Monty Python reference.)

If I learned anything from Monty Python, it would be to be weary of rabbits.

[Gorkan86]

Skillz1986 wrote...

Just using your argument now:

But the protheans were an advanced culture, you should consider this. they must have had countermeasures for hacking.

If I answer it would be my guess, not fact.
It turns out that my guess is automatically a false.

Modifié par Gorkan86, 23 avril 2012 - 12:13 .

[estebanus]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

estebanus wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

estebanus wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

How do you know for sure?
Prothean checked VI in peoples indoctrinated in varying degrees. They were advanced civilization, so should consider such things.

OH JESUS, NOT THIS CRAP AGAIN! 

THE CYCLE REPEATS FOREVER.

THE CYCLE CAN'T BE BROKEN.

CHOOSE A COLOR.

BLUE. NO, WAIT, RE-AHHHHHHHHHHH

(if you didn't notice, that was a Monty Python reference.)

If I learned anything from Monty Python, it would be to be weary of rabbits.

Only if you don't have holy hand grenades!