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[Gorkan86]

Skillz1986 wrote...

Oh and funny side note:

I think it's rather strange that vendetta tells shepard...a clearly not indoctrinated half deity (according to you), that it's "security protocols were overridden, i will comply". Why make that statementif you are not..to any degree indoctrinated?

Add guesses?

[Skillz1986]

No, not automaticaly. but when 10 people, can give you 10 different reasons why the assume you're wrong, you should probably revise your argument.

[Big G13]

Don't really want to get in the middle of this, but, imo wether or not Shepard IS indoctrinated or just fighting off an indoctrination ATEMPT is beside the point. Neither view invalidates the theory that the end is a hallucination. It may be a bad analogy, but when you feel a cold coming on some times you can fight it off before you actually catch the cold. For me the progression of the IDT starts with the belief that the end was a hallucination. Which I thought from the minute I saw it. My question was WHY is Shepard hallucinating? Answer. Because the Reapers want to control him/her. Whether or not Shepard IS indoctrinated or fighting an ATEMPT, for me, is irrelevant. IDT still answers the primary question, 'what the hell just happened?'

[Skillz1986]

Oh my bad for thinking this was self explanatory.
Well if a non indoctrinated person walked up to vendetta at this point. it should spill the information without a doubt, and be done with it. like it was designed to do.

But if an indoctrinated walked up and asked for the intel. it would make clear that "normally i would not tell you s**t..but since that blue eyed dude hacked me, i'll do whatever you say"...which it did

[Gorkan86]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...


It is hard fact that the Protheans were brought down from the inside by Indoctrinated sleeper agents. It is stated by not only the VI, but also by Jarvik, you know the Prothean! An enmtire group who were arguing for trying to control the Reapers turned out to be Indoctrinated and no one ever had a clue.

If they had flawles detection of Indoctrination such things would according to all logic and commen sense not have been possible!

I see that you do not understand why not use the VI so cool everywhere? But we found this VI only in the super secret facilities.
Javik said that Ilos was a legend, he was so classified.
Even a group that wanted to control the reapers did not know about it.  But you can always put a couple of guesses.

So this could be a unique VI developed in secret. That the enemies do not hear about them. This is guesses again.

[Skillz1986]

@gorkan
look, all we're trying to say is, that the vi's ate definetly flawed. they can be hacked, manipulated and did not detect indoctrination within the protheans. and that is..as you love to say, a FACT. if you like to think that shepard was not indocrinated at this point, fine. just don't ise the vi as an argument, since it's weaker than bioware's "no abc ending" statement (at least until now)

[Rifneno]

Gorkan86 wrote...

I see that you do not understand why not use the VI so cool everywhere? But we found this VI only in the super secret facilities.
Javik said that Ilos was a legend, he was so classified.
Even a group that wanted to control the reapers did not know about it.  But you can always put a couple of guesses.

So this could be a unique VI developed in secret. That the enemies do not hear about them. This is guesses again.

Right.  The Protheans figured out how to perfectly detect indoctrination, but they kept that info super secret even though it might well (and did) prove their downfall.

Stop making up these perversions of logic and just admit you were wrong.

[Gorkan86]

Skillz1986 wrote...

@gorkan
look, all we're trying to say is, that the vi's ate definetly flawed. they can be hacked, manipulated and did not detect indoctrination within the protheans. and that is..as you love to say, a FACT. if you like to think that shepard was not indocrinated at this point, fine. just don't ise the vi as an argument, since it's weaker than bioware's "no abc ending" statement (at least until now)

Oh my god, its obvious. Ofcource i can understand that. Ofcource VI can be hacked its fact, i agree.
And yes, my argument is that VI was not common, has unique ability to detect indoctrinated persons, and that VI was not hacked on Thessia, and Shepard were not indoctrinated at that time.  Thats fact too. But noo, you will never agree with that. Its mess with IDT common way. 

[Rifneno]

Gorkan86 wrote...

Oh my god, its obvious. Ofcource i can understand that. Ofcource VI can be hacked its fact, i agree.
And yes, my argument is that VI was not common, has unique ability to detect indoctrinated persons, and that VI was not hacked on Thessia, and Shepard were not indoctrinated at that time.  Thats fact too. But noo, you will never agree with that. Its mess with IDT common way. 

Why do you hate logic and reason?  What did it ever do to you?

[Skillz1986]

It doesn't hurt idt in the slightest whether shepard was indoctrinated or not...so i don't give a f**k. but you're startin to develop into a serial killer of logic. and everybody tries to tell you why. even by turning your "logic" against you. and you still can't admit that your argumentation sucks

[Gorkan86]

Rifneno wrote...
Right.  The Protheans figured out how to perfectly detect indoctrination, but they kept that info super secret even though it might well (and did) prove their downfall.

Stop making up these perversions of logic and just admit you were wrong.

I was wrong, protheans didnt create VI that perfectly detect indoctrination. 

[Vahilor]

Rifneno wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

Oh my god, its obvious. Ofcource i can understand that. Ofcource VI can be hacked its fact, i agree.
And yes, my argument is that VI was not common, has unique ability to detect indoctrinated persons, and that VI was not hacked on Thessia, and Shepard were not indoctrinated at that time.  Thats fact too. But noo, you will never agree with that. Its mess with IDT common way. 

Why do you hate logic and reason?  What did it ever do to you?

I think cause logic and reason prove unlogic and unreasonable comments wrong

[Gorkan86]

Skillz1986 wrote...

It doesn't hurt idt in the slightest whether shepard was indoctrinated or not...so i don't give a f**k. but you're startin to develop into a serial killer of logic. and everybody tries to tell you why. even by turning your "logic" against you. and you still can't admit that your argumentation sucks

So, the fact that VI detect no indoctrination in Shepard is suck?

[Skillz1986]

Are you serious? Did you really just say that? After 5 pages of showing you why...let me make this unmistakeably clear. This argument sucks more than jenna jameson did in her whole carreer.

[Big G13]

Skillz1986 wrote...

Are you serious? Did you really just say that? After 5 pages of showing you why...let me make this unmistakeably clear. This argument sucks more than jenna jameson did in her whole carreer.

WOW. Thats a lot.

[Skillz1986]

*cough* just a guess *cough*

[Stegoceras]

Skillz1986 wrote...

No, not automaticaly. but when 10 people, can give you 10 different reasons why the assume you're wrong, you should probably revise your argument.

To be honest, don't think this is such a certainty, 10 people can be as wrong or wronger than 1. Just look at history. Not necessairly, but possibly.

[Gorkan86]

Skillz1986 wrote...

Are you serious? Did you really just say that? After 5 pages of showing you why...let me make this unmistakeably clear. This argument sucks more than jenna jameson did in her whole carreer.

The only thing that I heard here is that VI can not perceive the mild cases of indoctrination. This is a guess,is it?

[Gorkan86]

Stegoceras wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

No, not automaticaly. but when 10 people, can give you 10 different reasons why the assume you're wrong, you should probably revise your argument.

To be honest, don't think this is such a certainty, 10 people can be as wrong or wronger than 1. Just look at history. Not necessairly, but possibly.

It is a pity that 10 different opinions. There are no specifics.

[Skillz1986]

@stegoceras

fair enough...but when they're arguing in a cohesive and plausible way,like it was done here...well

i would not say anything if it were mere speculations without further information backimg them up. but sadly...well take a look for yourself

[Big G13]

Skillz1986 wrote...

*cough* just a guess *cough*

sure sure. You wouldn't know, but, people talk, you hear things, I get it.

[Skillz1986]

The only thing i have heard is that the vi can detect indoctrination perfectly. it's a guess right? Look at the protheans captain ignorant

[SS2Dante]

Gorkan86 wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Are you serious? Did you really just say that? After 5 pages of showing you why...let me make this unmistakeably clear. This argument sucks more than jenna jameson did in her whole carreer.

The only thing that I heard here is that VI can not perceive the mild cases of indoctrination. This is a guess,is it?

It is a liklihood based on evidence.

[Gorkan86]

Rifneno wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

Oh my god, its obvious. Ofcource i can understand that. Ofcource VI can be hacked its fact, i agree.
And yes, my argument is that VI was not common, has unique ability to detect indoctrinated persons, and that VI was not hacked on Thessia, and Shepard were not indoctrinated at that time.  Thats fact too. But noo, you will never agree with that. Its mess with IDT common way. 

Why do you hate logic and reason?  What did it ever do to you?

Maybe for you it is illogical to what is happening on the screen. Maybe you're curious to read between the lines and look for hidden meaning. I take it as is. As Shepard sees it. If the VI said that he was not indoctrinated mean it is. If it turned out that this is not true I would have accepted it as fact.

Too illogical yep?

[Skillz1986]

The point is. while both sides are merely speculating. your argument is pure speculation.
The vi can detect indoctrination perfectly (ingame evidence=none)

We are saying

prothean vi's were flawed and could only detect indoctrination at a certain degree..or a certain form of indoctrination (implants) (ingame evidence=the oh so advanced and indoctrination detecting protheans bein brought down from within, by other indoctrinated prothean sleeper agents who were obviously not detected by any vi, not even vendetta)