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Rifneno wrote...
szkasypcze wrote...
Soon, this thread will create a VI on it's own by the means of it's length.
COME ON PEOPLE!!!
Do you really have some news or just speculations??
We got some major news at 11 PM on a Sunday but we decided to bicker about this instead.
508317 wrote...
About the thessian VI / indoctrination detector:
During my last playthrough, I paid attention to what exactly the VI says and I had the impression that the mentioned indoctrinated presence might in fact refer to Shepard - here's why:
First the VI talks to Shepard about rather meaningless stuff, but does not mention what exactly the catalyst is until that point. So one might believe that it does not really give up any new information to Shepard. When Kai Leng shows up, the VI says it is detecting an indoctrinated presence and does not identify who exactly is meant by that.
Might sound far-fetched, but maybe the indoctrination detection took some time and coincidentally finished when Kai Leng appeared.
Or maybe the VI thought Shepard to be indoctrinated and didn't want to let the presumed reaper agent know that. Note that only after being hacked, it gives Shepard the info he/she needs.
tl;dr: The VI never explicitly stated the detected indoctrinated person to be Kai Leng.
thoughts?
Modifié par bigstig, 23 avril 2012 - 02:44 .
Gorkan86 wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
Gorkan86 wrote...
Skillz1986 wrote...
Are you serious? Did you really just say that? After 5 pages of showing you why...let me make this unmistakeably clear. This argument sucks more than jenna jameson did in her whole carreer.
The only thing that I heard here is that VI can not perceive the mild cases of indoctrination. This is a guess,is it?
It is a liklihood based on evidence.
But where is the evidences? Only guesses.
Modifié par SS2Dante, 23 avril 2012 - 02:39 .
mrs.N7 wrote...
haha right! By the way, this past weeken shouldn't have give us some important news from bioware? or I have only imagined it? don't remember where I saw it..
SS2Dante wrote...
Hey guys, just had a thought. You know the "other Shepard" in your last dream? (you know, the dream right after Shepard is staring at the N7 helmet and says that "they thought they heard it crack"during that last fight?) The Shepard that embraces the child?
...think that was the birth of the TIM part of Sheps mind?
Quahtli wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
Hey guys, just had a thought. You know the "other Shepard" in your last dream? (you know, the dream right after Shepard is staring at the N7 helmet and says that "they thought they heard it crack"during that last fight?) The Shepard that embraces the child?
...think that was the birth of the TIM part of Sheps mind?
Nice find, but to me that's just dialogue.
Don't get me wrong, a lot of "evidence" for the IT comes from subtle hints, but I don't think every single line of dialogue alludes to indoctrination. This was just a line to keep the conversation going, you can't just expect the LI to move in and ask for some love making. It's not a porno.
Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
Ehm every time we have told you that Jarvik AND VI said that the Protheans were brought down from the inside by INDOCTRINATED people.
Your arguemnt basicly amounts to the Protheans beeing the biggest morons in history.
"Hey we have this VI which can detect Indoctrination perfectly shoudl we not install it in local security measures, army security and basicly everywhere we dont want to be killed by Indoctrinated people?"
"Nah let us simply use it here and here and call it a day, it is not like we are facing extinction."
That is how stupid your entire arguemnt is and you are outright insulting us by asking for Evidence when we ahve provided this a thousand times while yours remain non existant.
Sorry about that, but I have had it with you...oh wait, here is question.
If Shepard is not Indoctrinated then explain to em this:
How does Shepard in the Destroy ending survive:
1: The pulse which is supposed to shut down Synthetic?
2: A 8 km wide fireball capable of ripping apart quantum shielded material where Shepard is near ground zero?
3: The vacuum of Space?
4: Orbital reentry along with the rest of the Citadel?
5: All of the above in a burned out armor with no helmet and no kinetic barriers?
Answer me that please (even if I have an idea of what the answer is gonna amount to)
SS2Dante wrote...
Gorkan86 wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
Gorkan86 wrote...
Skillz1986 wrote...
Are you serious? Did you really just say that? After 5 pages of showing you why...let me make this unmistakeably clear. This argument sucks more than jenna jameson did in her whole carreer.
The only thing that I heard here is that VI can not perceive the mild cases of indoctrination. This is a guess,is it?
It is a liklihood based on evidence.
But where is the evidences? Only guesses.
Yes, but we are not using our guesses as evidence. You are. You are stating that Shep couldn't have been indoctrinated because the VI's can sense indoctrination. But we have both agreed that this statement is a guess, on both sides. Therefore it cannot be used as evidence either way.
Modifié par Gorkan86, 23 avril 2012 - 02:46 .
Quahtli wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
Hey guys, just had a thought. You know the "other Shepard" in your last dream? (you know, the dream right after Shepard is staring at the N7 helmet and says that "they thought they heard it crack"during that last fight?) The Shepard that embraces the child?
...think that was the birth of the TIM part of Sheps mind?
Nice find, but to me that's just dialogue.
Don't get me wrong, a lot of "evidence" for the IT comes from subtle hints, but I don't think every single line of dialogue alludes to indoctrination. This was just a line to keep the conversation going, you can't just expect the LI to move in and ask for some love making. It's not a porno.
Gorkan86 wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
Gorkan86 wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
Gorkan86 wrote...
Skillz1986 wrote...
Are you serious? Did you really just say that? After 5 pages of showing you why...let me make this unmistakeably clear. This argument sucks more than jenna jameson did in her whole carreer.
The only thing that I heard here is that VI can not perceive the mild cases of indoctrination. This is a guess,is it?
It is a liklihood based on evidence.
But where is the evidences? Only guesses.
Yes, but we are not using our guesses as evidence. You are. You are stating that Shep couldn't have been indoctrinated because the VI's can sense indoctrination. But we have both agreed that this statement is a guess, on both sides. Therefore it cannot be used as evidence either way.
Well then it can't sucks too.
Gorkan86 wrote...
VI said that the proteans were destroyed from the inside = true.
VI found Kai Leng be indoctrinated =not truesucks.
VI didnt find Shepard be indoctrinated = sucks as well.
So you can determine when the VI is telling the truth and when not? Or maybe you know better than VI?
Maybe they are biggest morons in history, so what, even the reapers make mistakes.
You know, neither Javik or VI or even I never talked about a lot of the VI that could detect the indoctrinated persons.
About five questions, i cant answer them, because i do not have information necessary to explain them.
But I bet no one on this forum will be able to answer them, except BioWare maybe.
SS2Dante wrote...
Gorkan86 wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
Gorkan86 wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
Gorkan86 wrote...
Skillz1986 wrote...
Are you serious? Did you really just say that? After 5 pages of showing you why...let me make this unmistakeably clear. This argument sucks more than jenna jameson did in her whole carreer.
The only thing that I heard here is that VI can not perceive the mild cases of indoctrination. This is a guess,is it?
It is a liklihood based on evidence.
But where is the evidences? Only guesses.
Yes, but we are not using our guesses as evidence. You are. You are stating that Shep couldn't have been indoctrinated because the VI's can sense indoctrination. But we have both agreed that this statement is a guess, on both sides. Therefore it cannot be used as evidence either way.
Well then it can't sucks too.
Ah. Ok, Troll, not just stupid. Ok.
Legion109 wrote...
Does anyone else find it hilarious how Vega is following Shep and Anderson at the beginning, the way he crosses his arms when the stop to talk makes him look like he's trying to hide the fact he is following them (yeah I know he was supposed to walk with them but he still looks so out of place the way he walks and stops that I can't stop laughing).
pirate1802 wrote...
I thing that occur to me, in the destroy ending we see the reapers on ground simply being deactivated and fall down, but the reapers in space around the citadel and blown up. Why this difference in treatment?
SS2Dante wrote...
Quahtli wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
Hey guys, just had a thought. You know the "other Shepard" in your last dream? (you know, the dream right after Shepard is staring at the N7 helmet and says that "they thought they heard it crack"during that last fight?) The Shepard that embraces the child?
...think that was the birth of the TIM part of Sheps mind?
Nice find, but to me that's just dialogue.
Don't get me wrong, a lot of "evidence" for the IT comes from subtle hints, but I don't think every single line of dialogue alludes to indoctrination. This was just a line to keep the conversation going, you can't just expect the LI to move in and ask for some love making. It's not a porno.
No, it doesn't, true, but this particular scene stuck out for me because it was unneccesary. There's an entire conversation that happens after this part, and the symbolism is blatent. Even on my first playthrough I assumed it was related to the PTSD dreams and Shep would have to deal with the consequences. I mean, why not just stick in a random bit of dialogue instead of animating Shep throwing the helmet to the LI, and make it a very symbolic sentence without going anywhere with it.
For reference, here's the scene as a refresher.
http://www.youtube.c...3UmipRUb0w#t=0s
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bigstig wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
Quahtli wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
Hey guys, just had a thought. You know the "other Shepard" in your last dream? (you know, the dream right after Shepard is staring at the N7 helmet and says that "they thought they heard it crack"during that last fight?) The Shepard that embraces the child?
...think that was the birth of the TIM part of Sheps mind?
Nice find, but to me that's just dialogue.
Don't get me wrong, a lot of "evidence" for the IT comes from subtle hints, but I don't think every single line of dialogue alludes to indoctrination. This was just a line to keep the conversation going, you can't just expect the LI to move in and ask for some love making. It's not a porno.
No, it doesn't, true, but this particular scene stuck out for me because it was unneccesary. There's an entire conversation that happens after this part, and the symbolism is blatent. Even on my first playthrough I assumed it was related to the PTSD dreams and Shep would have to deal with the consequences. I mean, why not just stick in a random bit of dialogue instead of animating Shep throwing the helmet to the LI, and make it a very symbolic sentence without going anywhere with it.
For reference, here's the scene as a refresher.
http://www.youtube.c...3UmipRUb0w#t=0s
I can't access YT at work so can't rewatch it, however I am skeptical about it being representive of IT, I could accept the idea of it being uncomfortable small talk.
i.e. Shepard is under a lot of stress(been documented before) but he/she wants to remain strong so can't reveal what he/she is truely thinking therefore we get small talk about the helmet. You can't really discuss the weather in space
I think even Bioware wouldn't try to explain how Shepard could survive the two explosions (Crucible tank + Citadel) cause there is nothing to explain. It's simply impossible to get alive from this. Even for Shep. Even in a video game. IMO, this is the strongest argument for the IT.Gorkan86 wrote...
Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
Ehm every time we have told you that Jarvik AND VI said that the Protheans were brought down from the inside by INDOCTRINATED people.
Your arguemnt basicly amounts to the Protheans beeing the biggest morons in history.
"Hey we have this VI which can detect Indoctrination perfectly shoudl we not install it in local security measures, army security and basicly everywhere we dont want to be killed by Indoctrinated people?"
"Nah let us simply use it here and here and call it a day, it is not like we are facing extinction."
That is how stupid your entire arguemnt is and you are outright insulting us by asking for Evidence when we ahve provided this a thousand times while yours remain non existant.
Sorry about that, but I have had it with you...oh wait, here is question.
If Shepard is not Indoctrinated then explain to em this:
How does Shepard in the Destroy ending survive:
1: The pulse which is supposed to shut down Synthetic?
2: A 8 km wide fireball capable of ripping apart quantum shielded material where Shepard is near ground zero?
3: The vacuum of Space?
4: Orbital reentry along with the rest of the Citadel?
5: All of the above in a burned out armor with no helmet and no kinetic barriers?
Answer me that please (even if I have an idea of what the answer is gonna amount to)
VI said that the proteans were destroyed from the inside = true.
VI found Kai Leng be indoctrinated =not truesucks.
VI didnt find Shepard be indoctrinated = sucks as well.
So you can determine when the VI is telling the truth and when not? Or maybe you know better than VI?
Maybe they are biggest morons in history, so what, even the reapers make mistakes.
You know, neither Javik or VI or even I never talked about a lot of the VI that could detect the indoctrinated persons.
About five questions, i cant answer them, because i do not have information necessary to explain them.
But I bet no one on this forum will be able to answer them, except BioWare maybe.
Modifié par Uncle Jo, 23 avril 2012 - 03:17 .
Out of topic: How went your exam ?SS2Dante wrote...
As long as we are going OT for min. I never got my pre order weapon.(ar55?) Was that gun any good?Skillz1986 wrote...
Completely OT, but i am only following this thread, since someone suggested i should join scientology (for supporting it i guess) when i asked this question in another thread (i still do not know how they knew i was following and supporting it..can you do that?)
What's the damn robo dog for?
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