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[RyanC73]

The ONLY solid piece of evidence I'm seeing for the hallucination theory is the appearance of the child as the the catalyst VI and it's odd way of trying to convince shepard that destruction is a bad idea. Nothing else really stands up as solid evidence. But who knows... really, the ending raises more questions than it answered. Bioware said before that this is only the end of Shepards story, not the Mass Effect universe. I fail to see how the series can ever continue with all the Mass Relays destroyed. We really, really need Bioware to clarify the endings for us.

[David Bergsma]

Bigdoser wrote...

Don't forget one of the meaning's of crucible means severe test or trial so this also lends to the idea that harbinger is trying to indoctrinate shepard I mean the catalyst says that the destroy ending will kill you yet thats the only ending shepard can live in. Lets not forget there is no way shepard's body could survive re entry to earth so it must be shepard waking up from harby's laser.

Are you sure about that? I can't recognize their voices

[Efrath]

 ...Oh god. Thank you for giving me hope. I actually thought about this last night after reading comments of people complaining about the "Dream theory" people and it hit me as I laid in bed. The "True" ending with the rubble looking like the rubble in London and the illogical fallacy of Shepard even having a chance of surviving the explosion of the citadel in space.

Read trough the whole first post and it really all seems to make sense to me. This is fantastic.

[Dilandau3000]

RyanC73 wrote...

The ONLY solid piece of evidence I'm seeing for the hallucination theory is the appearance of the child as the the catalyst VI and it's odd way of trying to convince shepard that destruction is a bad idea. Nothing else really stands up as solid evidence. But who knows... really, the ending raises more questions than it answered. Bioware said before that this is only the end of Shepards story, not the Mass Effect universe. I fail to see how the series can ever continue with all the Mass Relays destroyed. We really, really need Bioware to clarify the endings for us.

The super-smart team of scientists assembled for the Crucible comes up with a way to reconnect the galaxy. That's my story and I'm sticking with it until Bioware says otherwise.

[Icinix]

Rifneno wrote...

Why was Anderson even there? Was he part of the charge at the end? I don't see why he would be. If for no other reason than the fact he's an old man and old men don't sprint so well. He certainly didn't make it to the beam first, yet he's already up there when Shepard gets there. Come to think of it, there's no good reason for TIM to be there either.

And I'm sure this has been pointed out many times, but Anderson mentions seeing the walls changing shape. The only other time we hear something like that is from the scientists on the derelict Reaper as they were being indoctrinated.

Yeah - there is an awful lot about the scene which fits the indoctrination bill, it also fits nicely how Paul Grayson was indoctrinated, by giving him hope and choice when they thought he needed it so he wouldn't go and off himself.

I really hope they have some epic reveal about to come out about it - but that would still require the download / unlock / or whatever of the actual ending of the game.

Leaving it as "indoctrinated" still isn't solving the ending issue.

[wookieboy15]

KingNothing125 wrote...

I also hope so.

In fact, if they release a DLC where Shep wakes up after being shot by Harbinger, and miraculously he and his squad are OK, and you go up to the citadel for a real ending without some Space God Child, I will rejoice and gladly pay money for it.

It would actually make ALOT of sense. Kaiden/Ashely suddenly wakes you up after getting hit by the laser and your in the middle of London and its mother of all ****fights with the Reaper forces still. This could still work after finishing the game as it could be activated after the DLC/Patch has been download via "interacting" with Shepards bed or something AND it does not hinge upon any of the choices. Although if you chose control/synthesise you might suffer somewhat hampered combat abilities as the Reapers/Harbinger takes partial control of your movements.

I love the idea, and if it's true i will praise BioWare as my new god. And he shall be the BALLsiest god of them all!

[JasonTan87]

HunterKYA wrote...

 If hallucination/indoctrination was the reason for the ending, Bioware has unleashed the biggest mind**** ever.  To make the vast majority of its fans believe that they, Bioware, released an ill-conceived ending to ME3 to flip the whole series on its head, by disillusioning people into believing they, the player, no longer had the freedom of choice.  When in truth, all Bioware wanted the player to do was think thoroughly, of ALL the choices they'd made over the course of three games, and then make the ultimate decision at the game's conclusion.  If they made the correct choice, Shepard will live and the Reaper's hold on Shepard's mind will be broken forever.

Hallucination is not an excuse for the sloppy writing that the ending has.  The thing has plot holes the size of the citadel.

Modifié par JasonTan87, 12 mars 2012 - 12:38 .

[RyanC73]

Efrath wrote...

 ...Oh god. Thank you for giving me hope. I actually thought about this last night after reading comments of people complaining about the "Dream theory" people and it hit me as I laid in bed. The "True" ending with the rubble looking like the rubble in London and the illogical fallacy of Shepard even having a chance of surviving the explosion of the citadel in space.

Read trough the whole first post and it really all seems to make sense to me. This is fantastic.

The problem is that ME3 is the definitive end to Shepard's story and I bet with 99.99% certainty that Bioware will not release DLC to reveal a "true" ending. So if this was a hallucination than technically we'll never know what happened to the galaxy; and if the ending was actually real the Mass Relays are forever lost and the series can never branch off and continue. Bit of a catch-22 really... 

[Pedpickle]

I've read most of this thread, but one thing I really just don't get is how TIM would be able to control Shepard & Anderson in the end. I honestly cannot remember ever seeing that indoctrination gave you the ability to control other people? So either TIM controlling us is new, or everyone's a little bit indoctrinated, to give the illusion that TIM can control others. >.>

That could just be me though, not remembering instances where something like that has happened?
(if so, could someone remind me, lol u.u)

[Meagen]

I propose the following two theories:

1) The entire Mass Effect series is the product of a small boy playing with his toy spaceships. Evidence: The fighter seen at the start of ME3 that makes flight noises but then turns out to be a toy, Shepard's obsession with collecting model ships.

2) On Eden Prime, Shepard was the one to forget to put up his shields and get shot. Kaidan Alenko and Jenkins went on to arrest Saren, while Shepard fell into a coma, dreaming up an elaborate story about Saren's (scary-looking but in reality perfectly normal) spaceship being one of a race of ancient AIs and Shepard having to stop them from destroying the galaxy.

Both of these solve absolutely *all* problems anyone could ever have with the writing and nothing can possibly contradict either of them.

[Hunter_Wolf]

That does remind me of the Cerberus team, the two men who were indoctrinated, when you went to acquire the Reaper IFF. One of them says, "Whoa did you see that, the wall just moved!"

It would be a stretch and possibly something Anderson saw. Also if it is indoctrination, those men were actually thinking of the same things. It's possible indoctrination creates a sort of hive-network for those subjected to it become connected to each other. Which also explains the ability of "assuming control" (which Sovereign did to Saren and Harbinger did with the Collectors).

Hmmm, my only gripe if it's true then is if we have to pay for this DLC if it is to be the true climatic ending.

[Dilandau3000]

Bigdoser wrote...

Lets not forget there is no way shepard's body could survive re entry to earth so it must be shepard waking up from harby's laser.

The Citadel as presented is far too large and massive to even exist in the shape presented if it's supposed to be rotating to generate gravity, not to mention the fact that there's no way the arms could close without the whole thing falling apart. The Citadel can only be explained if it has very powerful mass effect fields holding it together, and considering all the other stuff mass effect fields accomplished I could buy that Shepard's body soft-landed on earth because of the residual mass effect fields on the citadel, if need be.

[Singu]

David Bergsma wrote...


Are you sure about that? I can't recognize their voices

Check the this youtube clip.

http://www.youtube.c...kZuSHpWwo#t=90s

You can hear it pretty clearly at 1:30.

[Dilandau3000]

RyanC73 wrote...

Efrath wrote...

 ...Oh god. Thank you for giving me hope. I actually thought about this last night after reading comments of people complaining about the "Dream theory" people and it hit me as I laid in bed. The "True" ending with the rubble looking like the rubble in London and the illogical fallacy of Shepard even having a chance of surviving the explosion of the citadel in space.

Read trough the whole first post and it really all seems to make sense to me. This is fantastic.

The problem is that ME3 is the definitive end to Shepard's story and I bet with 99.99% certainty that Bioware will not release DLC to reveal a "true" ending. So if this was a hallucination than technically we'll never know what happened to the galaxy; and if the ending was actually real the Mass Relays are forever lost and the series can never branch off and continue. Bit of a catch-22 really... 

The series could never have a follow-up anyway. Even if Shepard wasn't featured, it would be impossible to write any story set in that universe having to account for the different outcomes of the geth/quarian and krogan situations. The only way we can have more stories in that universe is if they either disregard all the events of ME itself, or make them prequels, or set it so far in the future that it might as well not be set in the ME universe.

Modifié par Dilandau3000, 12 mars 2012 - 12:41 .

[Hunter_Wolf]

Pedpickle wrote...

I've read most of this thread, but one thing I really just don't get is how TIM would be able to control Shepard & Anderson in the end. I honestly cannot remember ever seeing that indoctrination gave you the ability to control other people? So either TIM controlling us is new, or everyone's a little bit indoctrinated, to give the illusion that TIM can control others. >.>

 

Indoctrination is still a fairly new concept to everyone. Saren struggled with himself when you tried to convince him to help you before he took his own life. It is entirely possible. The Thorian had a similar affect when infecting people where it caused pain to the contaminated only when they took action that it thought was a threat. 

[Harorrd]

in my mind sheppard died when harbringer came from nowhere and destroyed the Hammer, he had a dream, and then he woke up

[Hunter_Wolf]

Dilandau3000 wrote...
The series could never have a follow-up anyway. Even if Shepard wasn't featured, it would be impossible to write any story set in that universe having to account for the different outcomes of the geth/quarian and krogan situations. The only way we can have more stories in that universe is if they either disregard all the events of ME itself, or make them prequels, or set it so far in the future that it might as well not be set in the ME universe.

Or it's a giant epic tale of Lost in Space. FTL is still available.

[themidz]

http://i41.tinypic.com/66zu2w.jpg what do you think about the "wire" on the right? is it just part of the building construction?

this is from the old script:
1: "Shepard and Anderson approach the conduit's beam. Shepard gets in, but Anderson is grabbed by a husk. Shepard turns to help, but before he can do anything, the beam activates, whisking Shepard away to the Citadel. On the other side, Shepard tears the metal from his leg and casts it aside, and then injects himself with Medigel."

can it be metal in his/her leg or am i just making it up?

Modifié par themidz, 12 mars 2012 - 12:44 .

[cyric085]

solid evidence is that the destroy reapers choice is the only one where shepard is still alive.

the citadel goes boom while shep is on the outer hull (yea right..) talking to the reaper AI. pretty clear that you can not survive that if you are inside or near that thing.

[Lugaidster]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

DiTHmaphacks wrote...

Does just before entering the beam shooting with a weapon a million times and not needing to reload make it a hallucination?

That's just a gameplay concession. During the introduction, before the point where Anderson says he's out of ammo, you don't need to reload either. So unless you want to argue the entire game is a hallucination, that argument doesn't count.

This.

I tried to finish my clips before the destroy endings and I couldn't.

[David Bergsma]

Singu wrote...

David Bergsma wrote...


Are you sure about that? I can't recognize their voices

Check the this youtube clip.

http://www.youtube.c...kZuSHpWwo#t=90s

You can hear it pretty clearly at 1:30.

You're right, I can hear it now. I'm shocked. This is actually a dream then, no doubt, there are too many clues that support this theory

[RyanC73]

themidz wrote...

http://i41.tinypic.com/66zu2w.jpg what do you think about the "wire" on the right? is it just part of the building construction?

this is from the old script:
1: "Shepard and Anderson approach the conduit's beam. Shepard gets in, but Anderson is grabbed by a husk. Shepard turns to help, but before he can do anything, the beam activates, whisking Shepard away to the Citadel. On the other side, Shepard tears the metal from his leg and casts it aside, and then injects himself with Medigel."

can it be metal in his/her leg or am i just making it up?

Looks a bit like a piece of metal used to support the concrete and rubble he/she's lying in, so yes, in my opinion, possibly a piece of metal in the leg.

[UlricKerensky]

I tossed and turned a lot of the night, and my theories are as follows:

1. The ending is what it appears to be, and Bioware has crushed the souls of its faithful.
2. The ending runs according to our theory, which means Bioware gave us half an ending.

Maybe the epilogue is only unlocked by a pair of playthroughs? Shepard awakes both times? Have anyone done a full +save game yet?

[themidz]

themidz wrote...

http://i41.tinypic.com/66zu2w.jpg what do you think about the "wire" on the right? is it just part of the building construction?

this is from the old script:
1: "Shepard and Anderson approach the conduit's beam. Shepard gets in, but Anderson is grabbed by a husk. Shepard turns to help, but before he can do anything, the beam activates, whisking Shepard away to the Citadel. On the other side, Shepard tears the metal from his leg and casts it aside, and then injects himself with Medigel."

can it be metal in his/her leg or am i just making it up?

2:"Shepard comes to. Anderson is dragging him forward. A jagged, bloody piece of metal is sticking out of his thigh. The conduit anchor retracts, stranding the henchmen. Shepard tries to walk, but his leg buckles. Anderson hands Shepard his pistol, and lifts Shepard's arm around his neck, supporting his leg. The two begin to shuffle towards the conduit beam."

i think that on the picture it is his leg and his thigh.. dont you think?

[Rughalt]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

RyanC73 wrote...

Efrath wrote...

 ...Oh god. Thank you for giving me hope. I actually thought about this last night after reading comments of people complaining about the "Dream theory" people and it hit me as I laid in bed. The "True" ending with the rubble looking like the rubble in London and the illogical fallacy of Shepard even having a chance of surviving the explosion of the citadel in space.

Read trough the whole first post and it really all seems to make sense to me. This is fantastic.

The problem is that ME3 is the definitive end to Shepard's story and I bet with 99.99% certainty that Bioware will not release DLC to reveal a "true" ending. So if this was a hallucination than technically we'll never know what happened to the galaxy; and if the ending was actually real the Mass Relays are forever lost and the series can never branch off and continue. Bit of a catch-22 really... 

The series could never have a follow-up anyway. Even if Shepard wasn't featured, it would be impossible to write any story set in that universe having to account for the different outcomes of the geth/quarian and krogan situations. The only way we can have more stories in that universe is if they either disregard all the events of ME itself, or make them prequels, or set it so far in the future that it might as well not be set in the ME universe.

I don't think the series counlt not have follow ups, because of the impact of the decisions. If you say something like this, the same is true for prequels - you really can't have decisions in prequel because it would have to change the original games.

The easy way to do it is just set the canon - and say, they the ending BW meant was something - and we start from here. The same goes for prequel - as you can see in DX:HR - only one ending opens path for the rest of the games. It is even easier with sequel, because ou can say thet "time has passed", and the situation became like this, despite the state galaxy was left at the end of ME3.