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David Bergsma wrote...
Singu wrote...
David Bergsma wrote...
Are you sure about that? I can't recognize their voices
Check the this youtube clip.
http://www.youtube.c...kZuSHpWwo#t=90s
You can hear it pretty clearly at 1:30.
You're right, I can hear it now. I'm shocked. This is actually a dream then, no doubt, there are too many clues that support this theory
Dilandau3000 wrote...
The series could never have a follow-up anyway. Even if Shepard wasn't featured, it would be impossible to write any story set in that universe having to account for the different outcomes of the geth/quarian and krogan situations. The only way we can have more stories in that universe is if they either disregard all the events of ME itself, or make them prequels, or set it so far in the future that it might as well not be set in the ME universe.
That would've been a problem with the proposed "dark matter" ending, because that would've been a universe-spanning problem. At least with the organics/synthetics things you can say that the reapers don't care about other galaxies because they can't reach them or do anything about them anyway.Rifneno wrote...
Actually that brings up another point. In all of these "Reapers were doing it to stop organics from destroying themselves or reality itself" explanations, it's never explained that the Reapers are only the "solution" to the Milky Way. The estimates for the number of galaxies in the observable universe are over a hundred billion. Whether dark energy or omnisynthetics, the Reaper solution would be like trying to clean the Atlantic ocean by filtering one bucket of water. The problem WOULD still happen from one of the other countless galaxies.
Dilandau3000 wrote...
The Citadel as presented is far too large and massive to even exist in the shape presented if it's supposed to be rotating to generate gravity, not to mention the fact that there's no way the arms could close without the whole thing falling apart. The Citadel can only be explained if it has very powerful mass effect fields holding it together, and considering all the other stuff mass effect fields accomplished I could buy that Shepard's body soft-landed on earth because of the residual mass effect fields on the citadel, if need be.Bigdoser wrote...
Lets not forget there is no way shepard's body could survive re entry to earth so it must be shepard waking up from harby's laser.
It could be, but I don't see any blood.themidz wrote...
themidz wrote...
http://i41.tinypic.com/66zu2w.jpg what do you think about the "wire" on the right? is it just part of the building construction?
this is from the old script:
1: "Shepard and Anderson approach the conduit's beam. Shepard gets in, but Anderson is grabbed by a husk. Shepard turns to help, but before he can do anything, the beam activates, whisking Shepard away to the Citadel. On the other side, Shepard tears the metal from his leg and casts it aside, and then injects himself with Medigel."
can it be metal in his/her leg or am i just making it up?
2:"Shepard comes to. Anderson is dragging him forward. A jagged, bloody piece of metal is sticking out of his thigh. The conduit anchor retracts, stranding the henchmen. Shepard tries to walk, but his leg buckles. Anderson hands Shepard his pistol, and lifts Shepard's arm around his neck, supporting his leg. The two begin to shuffle towards the conduit beam."
i think that on the picture it is his leg and his thigh.. dont you think?
themidz wrote...
themidz wrote...
http://i41.tinypic.com/66zu2w.jpg what do you think about the "wire" on the right? is it just part of the building construction?
this is from the old script:
1: "Shepard and Anderson approach the conduit's beam. Shepard gets in, but Anderson is grabbed by a husk. Shepard turns to help, but before he can do anything, the beam activates, whisking Shepard away to the Citadel. On the other side, Shepard tears the metal from his leg and casts it aside, and then injects himself with Medigel."
can it be metal in his/her leg or am i just making it up?
2:"Shepard comes to. Anderson is dragging him forward. A jagged, bloody piece of metal is sticking out of his thigh. The conduit anchor retracts, stranding the henchmen. Shepard tries to walk, but his leg buckles. Anderson hands Shepard his pistol, and lifts Shepard's arm around his neck, supporting his leg. The two begin to shuffle towards the conduit beam."
i think that on the picture it is his leg and his thigh.. dont you think?
Then I looked closely and it sure looks that way! The metal is stuck in something black and shiny like the rest of Sheps armor, the ruins around are all grey...
Modifié par lil_89, 12 mars 2012 - 12:57 .
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Modifié par magnetite, 12 mars 2012 - 12:57 .
Other than Priestly saying "I don't think we revealed that yet. Sorry". It was concerning the fact that your 2 squadmates appear "dead" but appear on the Normandy.Elmogaming wrote...
Any News from bioware?
No. The current theory is that the old man and the kid found one of Liara's time capsules and learned about "The Shepard" and space flight.harshlaughter wrote...
Isn't the post credit old man Shepard with his grandchild.........?
lil_89 wrote...
themidz wrote...
themidz wrote...
http://i41.tinypic.com/66zu2w.jpg what do you think about the "wire" on the right? is it just part of the building construction?
this is from the old script:
1: "Shepard and Anderson approach the conduit's beam. Shepard gets in, but Anderson is grabbed by a husk. Shepard turns to help, but before he can do anything, the beam activates, whisking Shepard away to the Citadel. On the other side, Shepard tears the metal from his leg and casts it aside, and then injects himself with Medigel."
can it be metal in his/her leg or am i just making it up?
2:"Shepard comes to. Anderson is dragging him forward. A jagged, bloody piece of metal is sticking out of his thigh. The conduit anchor retracts, stranding the henchmen. Shepard tries to walk, but his leg buckles. Anderson hands Shepard his pistol, and lifts Shepard's arm around his neck, supporting his leg. The two begin to shuffle towards the conduit beam."
i think that on the picture it is his leg and his thigh.. dont you think?
At first I was like
Rifneno wrote...
Dilandau3000 wrote...
The series could never have a follow-up anyway. Even if Shepard wasn't featured, it would be impossible to write any story set in that universe having to account for the different outcomes of the geth/quarian and krogan situations. The only way we can have more stories in that universe is if they either disregard all the events of ME itself, or make them prequels, or set it so far in the future that it might as well not be set in the ME universe.
Or in the other 98% of the Milky Way that's still undocumented by Council races.
Actually that brings up another point. In all of these "Reapers were doing it to stop organics from destroying themselves or reality itself" explanations, it's never explained that the Reapers are only the "solution" to the Milky Way. The estimates for the number of galaxies in the observable universe are over a hundred billion. Whether dark energy or omnisynthetics, the Reaper solution would be like trying to clean the Atlantic ocean by filtering one bucket of water. The problem WOULD still happen from one of the other countless galaxies.
Dilandau3000 wrote...
That would've been a problem with the proposed "dark matter" ending, because that would've been a universe-spanning problem. At least with the organics/synthetics things you can say that the reapers don't care about other galaxies because they can't reach them or do anything about them anyway.Rifneno wrote...
Actually that brings up another point. In all of these "Reapers were doing it to stop organics from destroying themselves or reality itself" explanations, it's never explained that the Reapers are only the "solution" to the Milky Way. The estimates for the number of galaxies in the observable universe are over a hundred billion. Whether dark energy or omnisynthetics, the Reaper solution would be like trying to clean the Atlantic ocean by filtering one bucket of water. The problem WOULD still happen from one of the other countless galaxies.
Good luck getting that any time soon. BioWare (or someone from BW) said that they're waiting for everyone to have a chance to play and beat the game before coming out and talking. Japan's release is the 15th.RyanC73 wrote...
I really think we're all trying to read too much into it. Official clarification from Bioware is what we want and need.
byne wrote...
Exactly, like I said earlier, the reason Shepard only pulls out of the hallucination if you choose Destroy is because thats the only one where you keep your resolve. The others you kind of give up.
lil_89 wrote...
Just realized something. Sorry if it burst anyone's bubble or if it has been discussed earlier. But consider this: Er know the leaked script had multiple ending, serevel with Shep waking up after beeing hit by Harby and then go and either alone or with Anderson. Well, we all know that didn't happen in the game, but what if Bioware just took the cut scene that was supposed to show this (Shep waking up after being hit) and put it at the end of the only choice that can leave Shep alive, simply because it fit?
They just used that footage because well, they already had it and it was a "glimpse of hope", nothing more. We have seen Bioware-laziness before.
Modifié par themidz, 12 mars 2012 - 01:09 .
JasonTan87 wrote...
Keep in mind; with such an ending without a closure, it is very easy to see what we each want to see. It's very easy to read into the narrative and find things that are not there. Hope, combined with emotional desperation, makes a most persuasive force. (This reminds me of TIM's own failing)
I myself am wary of giving the writers too much credit; especially in instances where there is the possibility of me deluding myself into making a masterpiece out of someone's sloppy work. Traditionally, Mass Effect followed fairly conventional soap-opera conventions. Unlike the Matrix, which sought to question reality from the onset, we do not have this meta-narrative coming from the last two games. Making the last 20 minutes of Mass Effect 3 into a post-modern meta narrative that is an 'indoctrination' of the player; while entirely plausable, is unlikely.
The thing is, we can't tell if this is deliberate just yet. I'm most willing to buy into this theory, but I can't help but ask myself:
If this was really true, why hold the 'real ending' back? Why not just release it with the rest of the game, and be credited for the stroke of genious? Why risk the fan backlash? Why look sloppy when you can look good right off?
Why troll us, their fans?
You know, they could have just told us in a press release, with a sly smile, that it's not over yet. Then they wouldn't have any of this PR firestorm on their hands.
Even if it was true, the current state that ME3 was released in (supposedly a complete game out of the box) is also paramount to bad writing. The narrative, as it is now, it violates the reader-writer contract by not offering the real ending to provide closure to the story. Even if there was an overarching meta-narrative embedded within, the writing must be consistant and clear enough for us to reach that conclusion without having a 'panel' to 'interpret' the ending for us. Mass Effect 3 has neither.
The very fact that the 'panel' has to 'interpret' their vision to us shows how the narrative has failed to communicate the different levels of the narrative.
In addition; the whole crucible thing itself could have been handled more adequately. Hallucination is not an excuse for sloppy writing. The writing for the crucible onwards; while brillant if this theory holds true; still feels sloppy and rushed. Imagine how much more convincing if they had a fluent narrative without the gigantic plot holes, and the Normandy had a proper reason for running away with your crew all on it. It also end with Normandy getting knocked out of FTL, but not show the crew coming out of the Normandy on some random planet.
The fact that the ending feels rushed worries me; because such meta-narrative twists require a high level of finesse to pull off.
What worries me the most is that people are losing their objectivity, calling what what may very well be a rushed conclusion 'a stroke of genius'. We must never forget that Bioware is telling us a story, and the very fact that we are unable to see the structure of the meta-narrative clearly (if it even exists) shows an inability to communicate their artistic vision properly through the medium.
Omilophile wrote...
byne wrote...
Exactly, like I said earlier, the reason Shepard only pulls out of the hallucination if you choose Destroy is because thats the only one where you keep your resolve. The others you kind of give up.
Holy S***. You may be on to something. In both of the other outcomes, Shepard drops his gun! Are we grasping at straws? Yes. Will I keep hoping for DLC anyway? You bet.
Modifié par Bigdoser, 12 mars 2012 - 01:14 .
Exactly. I feel the ending was rushed and various corners were cut including reusing assets and deleting segments, explaining a lot of the inconsistencies. This was either because they were racing to make release, or because they had to change things last-minute due to the leak.lil_89 wrote...
Just realized something. Sorry if it burst anyone's bubble or if it has been discussed earlier. But consider this: Er know the leaked script had multiple ending, serevel with Shep waking up after beeing hit by Harby and then go and either alone or with Anderson. Well, we all know that didn't happen in the game, but what if Bioware just took the cut scene that was supposed to show this (Shep waking up after being hit) and put it at the end of the only choice that can leave Shep alive, simply because it fit?
They just used that footage because well, they already had it and it was a "glimpse of hope", nothing more. We have seen Bioware-laziness before.
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