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[UrgedDuke]

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[waldstr18]

balance5050 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

So how does their feelings about feedback say THIS IS WRONG? They didn't expect it. It doesn't discount any other intentions they might have had with the endings.

well, if it was intended as a cliffhanger, they would have said, "ha ha ha... wait for it". they didnt expect it, which means they thought its fine as is. no addition dlc required.

but i find it rude to tell someone that his story isnt really finished. thats my point. its their story to tell and they didnt show a "to be continued, conclued, the end?". so i think the right thing to do is to accept it as the real ending and not make up stories about it being a dream.

Huh? You act like this is a new thing. It started in 2008 with that Prince of Persia remake, then FF13-2 did it with their "paradox endings", then Asura's Wrath did it. Are you new to gaming?

really? i actually didnt know that. i have to admit, though, i havent played one of these games. also this the first forum i actually posted something in.

back in my day we just accepted things for the way they were. have you played bioforge?
actually, come to think of it, could someone make up a dream story about bioforge? cause that ending was horrible. horrible!

[Arian Dynas]

Legion109 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Legion109 wrote...
(On a side note) - Shepard hears Voices in his head, they council him they understand, they talk to him -  

Darn it Legion! You've been into the wine cellar again.

- clutches an '04 Harlan Estate Cabernet Sauvignon in the corner crouching and muttering to himself - My Precious

:O

Can I have some fava beans and a nice chianti?

[Shootokill]

Domanese wrote...

Shootokill wrote...

First off, long time lurker (since the first 100 pages).

Like several that have come before me, I heard that the endings might not be up to speed with the rest of the game. I didn't want to spoil it so I ignored it until I beat it for myself. Not wanting to play multiplayer, I stuck to single player and ended up with the worst possible destroy ending where pretty much everyone was decimated. Knowing this wasn't good, and knowing that I would play through it again properly, I began scouring the Internet to figure what was going on. I found this thread.

After reading the first post from Byne, I was sold on the Indoctrination theory and I thought it worked with what was given to us. I then proceeded to buy ME1 as I started off at ME2. I wanted to get the full experience and see, for myself, all of the clues that everyone had been diligently pointing out. Just having finished a playthrough of all three games, I was convinced that Indoctrination is the way to go.

The only thing that bothers me, other than the endings of course, is if Bioware intended to release a real ending at a later time. I don't think any game should be subject to that. The game you buy should contain all the core elements to complete the story. I don't mind having DLC to complement the story but the main storyline should be included with your original purchase.

Regardless of what the outcome is, I enjoyed all three games, minus the last 10 minutes although I don't think that hinders it enough to make me not like them. With all that said, I just want to say that I'll be getting involved in the discussion so I look forward to posting with you guys.

Fun Fact. If you spare the collector base and do as bad as you did normally you'll only be allowed access to the Control Ending.

I actually did spare it. I guess my EMS wasn't that low.

[Dwailing]

Man, waldstr18 is back?  Great. <_<  On the plus side, at least I'm not going to be sticking around tonight.  Time to shower and go to bed, see you all later.  Hold the line!

[Big Bad]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Legion109 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Legion109 wrote...
(On a side note) - Shepard hears Voices in his head, they council him they understand, they talk to him -  

Darn it Legion! You've been into the wine cellar again.

- clutches an '04 Harlan Estate Cabernet Sauvignon in the corner crouching and muttering to himself - My Precious

:O

Can I have some fava beans and a nice chianti?

I see what you did there. 

[Big G13]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Legion109 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Legion109 wrote...
(On a side note) - Shepard hears Voices in his head, they council him they understand, they talk to him -  

Darn it Legion! You've been into the wine cellar again.

- clutches an '04 Harlan Estate Cabernet Sauvignon in the corner crouching and muttering to himself - My Precious

:O

Can I have some fava beans and a nice chianti?

I do believe we have taken a turn into the SURREAL.

[lex0r11]

lex0r11 wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

lexor don't you have a poster to make this troll go away

I wanted to keep this serious, because i am really interested why he is still doing it.
And i wonder if he knows other IT opponents like GBGriffin and so on and what kind of reputaion they have in here.

byne wrote...

I would say everyone should just shut up about this topic now.

Some
people believe waldstr is a troll. Waldstr disagrees. Waldstr isnt
going to convince them he isnt, and they arent going to convince him
that he is. Its just going to be a long circular argument.

So I say everyone shut up about it.

Dont make me turn this thread around.

It's the OP's word. Sorry if i have pissed people off.

[Arian Dynas]

Big G13 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Legion109 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Legion109 wrote...
(On a side note) - Shepard hears Voices in his head, they council him they understand, they talk to him -  

Darn it Legion! You've been into the wine cellar again.

- clutches an '04 Harlan Estate Cabernet Sauvignon in the corner crouching and muttering to himself - My Precious

:O

Can I have some fava beans and a nice chianti?

I do believe we have taken a turn into the SURREAL.

Well, I'd like it with waldstr's liver 

[Domanese]

Shootokill wrote...

Domanese wrote...

Shootokill wrote...

First off, long time lurker (since the first 100 pages).

Like several that have come before me, I heard that the endings might not be up to speed with the rest of the game. I didn't want to spoil it so I ignored it until I beat it for myself. Not wanting to play multiplayer, I stuck to single player and ended up with the worst possible destroy ending where pretty much everyone was decimated. Knowing this wasn't good, and knowing that I would play through it again properly, I began scouring the Internet to figure what was going on. I found this thread.

After reading the first post from Byne, I was sold on the Indoctrination theory and I thought it worked with what was given to us. I then proceeded to buy ME1 as I started off at ME2. I wanted to get the full experience and see, for myself, all of the clues that everyone had been diligently pointing out. Just having finished a playthrough of all three games, I was convinced that Indoctrination is the way to go.

The only thing that bothers me, other than the endings of course, is if Bioware intended to release a real ending at a later time. I don't think any game should be subject to that. The game you buy should contain all the core elements to complete the story. I don't mind having DLC to complement the story but the main storyline should be included with your original purchase.

Regardless of what the outcome is, I enjoyed all three games, minus the last 10 minutes although I don't think that hinders it enough to make me not like them. With all that said, I just want to say that I'll be getting involved in the discussion so I look forward to posting with you guys.

Fun Fact. If you spare the collector base and do as bad as you did normally you'll only be allowed access to the Control Ending.

I actually did spare it. I guess my EMS wasn't that low.

*blink* The heck?

What was your EMS score? A video uploaded says it happens at around 1257

Modifié par Domanese, 24 avril 2012 - 03:49 .

[waldstr18]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Legion109 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Legion109 wrote...
(On a side note) - Shepard hears Voices in his head, they council him they understand, they talk to him -  

Darn it Legion! You've been into the wine cellar again.

- clutches an '04 Harlan Estate Cabernet Sauvignon in the corner crouching and muttering to himself - My Precious

:O

Can I have some fava beans and a nice chianti?

I do believe we have taken a turn into the SURREAL.

Well, I'd like it with waldstr's liver 

im living quite healthy, so enjoy.

[Shootokill]

Domanese wrote...

Shootokill wrote...

Domanese wrote...

Shootokill wrote...

First off, long time lurker (since the first 100 pages).

Like several that have come before me, I heard that the endings might not be up to speed with the rest of the game. I didn't want to spoil it so I ignored it until I beat it for myself. Not wanting to play multiplayer, I stuck to single player and ended up with the worst possible destroy ending where pretty much everyone was decimated. Knowing this wasn't good, and knowing that I would play through it again properly, I began scouring the Internet to figure what was going on. I found this thread.

After reading the first post from Byne, I was sold on the Indoctrination theory and I thought it worked with what was given to us. I then proceeded to buy ME1 as I started off at ME2. I wanted to get the full experience and see, for myself, all of the clues that everyone had been diligently pointing out. Just having finished a playthrough of all three games, I was convinced that Indoctrination is the way to go.

The only thing that bothers me, other than the endings of course, is if Bioware intended to release a real ending at a later time. I don't think any game should be subject to that. The game you buy should contain all the core elements to complete the story. I don't mind having DLC to complement the story but the main storyline should be included with your original purchase.

Regardless of what the outcome is, I enjoyed all three games, minus the last 10 minutes although I don't think that hinders it enough to make me not like them. With all that said, I just want to say that I'll be getting involved in the discussion so I look forward to posting with you guys.

Fun Fact. If you spare the collector base and do as bad as you did normally you'll only be allowed access to the Control Ending.

I actually did spare it. I guess my EMS wasn't that low.

What was your EMS score?

The video uploaded says it happens at around 1257

I don't recall what it was but I did do a good chunk of all the missions, I didn't just do a straight run through the story. The only reason why it was so low was because I was at 50% readiness. Looking at a chart I found my EMS was lower than 2049.

[Arian Dynas]

lex0r11 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

lexor don't you have a poster to make this troll go away

I wanted to keep this serious, because i am really interested why he is still doing it.
And i wonder if he knows other IT opponents like GBGriffin and so on and what kind of reputaion they have in here.

byne wrote...

I would say everyone should just shut up about this topic now.

Some
people believe waldstr is a troll. Waldstr disagrees. Waldstr isnt
going to convince them he isnt, and they arent going to convince him
that he is. Its just going to be a long circular argument.

So I say everyone shut up about it.

Dont make me turn this thread around.

It's the OP's word. Sorry if i have pissed people off.

*snip*

*offers a cyberhug*

[Uncle Jo]

Arian Dynas wrote...


Here is what I would (and eventually will when I have the time to) do with my re-write.

Pre Shepard cutscenes, right after the breath scene, or perhaps somewhere else, I'll think on this;

Bailey is desperately defending the council, several civlilians, some of the people you saved, he reaches a shelter designed to protect the council. A quantum entanglement communicator in the room is set up, originally placed with the intention that the Council can maintain order even from the most dire of suitations Bailey orders someone, perhaps a random Alliance Marine, or the Virmire Survivor if they're an asset to try and contact the fleet and find out what the hell is going on.

Hackett is overjoyed to hear from them, Bailey asks what he can do to thelp, Hackett sugguests C-Sec do all it can to get to the control panel, citing that the attack by Hammer is giving them enough of a distraction that a small team might just make it in the event Hammer can't. Bailey gives a pretty speech to his men, some of the civvies volunteer, they make their way to the council chambers in a few cutscenes, interspersed with cutscenes of Sword fighting the Reaper fleet, finally Bailey and any survivors (the higher your Citadel defense rating, the more people survive. if it's too low, Bailey dies. If the rating is the lowest possible, game over, Reapers win. any higher than that, Bailey dies  but manges to reach the panel, the scene parroting what happened with Shepard in the dream earlier ("Bailey, Commander!") and the arms are opened, Bailey collapses and dies at the panel and the Crucible docks, the Reapers flee, pulling out past Charon, Harbinger fires a shot in the withdrawal and doesn't realize the Crucible was damaged before they have given up their tactical superiorty (if they come through the Charon relay with the fleet sitting on top of it, they know that they'll get wiped out one at a time) and leads them off to dark space to lick their wounds. If your Citadel defense rating was high enough, Bailey is wounded, and carried off by Conrad Verner/Kelly Chambers/Kalisah Al-Jilani/ a random civlilian, and appears at the end in one capacity or another.

I like it. The connection to the events on Earth and with the Sword Fleet is well made. It gives more importance to a sympathetic character like Bailey who was pretty much ignored (on the contrary to the space-ninja), to the Citadel itself and justify the creation of the milicia. You seem to want to let the end open regarding the Reapers (I'm okay with it though). And the Crucible is badly damaged. So we would win because of a misunderstanding
I think the sequence till Bailey's speech should happen while Shep is still trying to get to the beam. Then you have the parallel Shep fighting Indoc Bailey and his team searching for the panel. Apex Bailey reaching the panel / Shep is making his choice..

Just my opnion though, for what it's worth...

[Big G13]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Legion109 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Legion109 wrote...
(On a side note) - Shepard hears Voices in his head, they council him they understand, they talk to him -  

Darn it Legion! You've been into the wine cellar again.

- clutches an '04 Harlan Estate Cabernet Sauvignon in the corner crouching and muttering to himself - My Precious

:O

Can I have some fava beans and a nice chianti?

I do believe we have taken a turn into the SURREAL.

Well, I'd like it with waldstr's liver 

Now I'm sure we have taken a turn into the surreal.:D

[Legion109]

Big G13 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Legion109 wrote...

- clutches an '04 Harlan Estate Cabernet Sauvignon in the corner crouching and muttering to himself - My Precious

Can I have some fava beans and a nice chianti?

I do believe we have taken a turn into the SURREAL.

 

I believe I have never contributed anything constructive to this thread in the near 1500 pages I've been following it so perhaps me'sa is a troll. (I've no idea how Arians dialogue ended up under mine in my own post)

Modifié par Legion109, 24 avril 2012 - 04:02 .

[waldstr18]

i have only one, so please share.

[lex0r11]

[NoSpin]

Shootokill wrote...



The only thing that bothers me, other than the endings of course, is if Bioware intended to release a real ending at a later time. I don't think any game should be subject to that. The game you buy should contain all the core elements to complete the story. I don't mind having DLC to complement the story but the main storyline should be included with your original purchase.

ME4. I don't know why that hasn't been a popular enough theory, but ME3 could be complete as is. With IT it ends on a cliffhanger, and Shepard's story will be resumed in ME4. EA+$$$$= Forced sequels. As a believer in IT, and with Bioware coming out and saying they will only clarify the ending, that is what I would GUESS will happen. Assuming there is in fact no DLC.

[Arian Dynas]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...


Here is what I would (and eventually will when I have the time to) do with my re-write.

Pre Shepard cutscenes, right after the breath scene, or perhaps somewhere else, I'll think on this;

Bailey is desperately defending the council, several civlilians, some of the people you saved, he reaches a shelter designed to protect the council. A quantum entanglement communicator in the room is set up, originally placed with the intention that the Council can maintain order even from the most dire of suitations Bailey orders someone, perhaps a random Alliance Marine, or the Virmire Survivor if they're an asset to try and contact the fleet and find out what the hell is going on.

Hackett is overjoyed to hear from them, Bailey asks what he can do to thelp, Hackett sugguests C-Sec do all it can to get to the control panel, citing that the attack by Hammer is giving them enough of a distraction that a small team might just make it in the event Hammer can't. Bailey gives a pretty speech to his men, some of the civvies volunteer, they make their way to the council chambers in a few cutscenes, interspersed with cutscenes of Sword fighting the Reaper fleet, finally Bailey and any survivors (the higher your Citadel defense rating, the more people survive. if it's too low, Bailey dies. If the rating is the lowest possible, game over, Reapers win. any higher than that, Bailey dies  but manges to reach the panel, the scene parroting what happened with Shepard in the dream earlier ("Bailey, Commander!") and the arms are opened, Bailey collapses and dies at the panel and the Crucible docks, the Reapers flee, pulling out past Charon, Harbinger fires a shot in the withdrawal and doesn't realize the Crucible was damaged before they have given up their tactical superiorty (if they come through the Charon relay with the fleet sitting on top of it, they know that they'll get wiped out one at a time) and leads them off to dark space to lick their wounds. If your Citadel defense rating was high enough, Bailey is wounded, and carried off by Conrad Verner/Kelly Chambers/Kalisah Al-Jilani/ a random civlilian, and appears at the end in one capacity or another.

I like it. The connection to the events on Earth and with the Sword Fleet is well made. It gives more importance to a sympathetic character like Bailey who was pretty much ignored (on the contrary to the space-ninja), to the Citadel itself and justify the creation of the milicia. You seem to want to let the end open regarding the Reapers (I'm okay with it though). And the Crucible is badly damaged. So we would win because of a misunderstanding
I think the sequence till Bailey's speech should happen while Shep is still trying to get to the beam. Then you have the parallel Shep fighting Indoc Bailey and his team searching for the panel. Apex Bailey reaching the panel / Shep is making his choice..

Just my opnion though, for what it's worth...

Thank you. Personally I liked Kai Leng after a while, liked to hate him, killing that son of a **** was VERY satisfying (got the most pissed off at him after her murdered Miranda, I decided to make that ****sucker pay, and pay HARD.)

The Reapers I feel are far too ingrained in the setting to simply wipe out here. Defeated? Yes. Pushed back? Most certainly. Exterminated? Mmm, not quite yet, there are more stories to be told with them I think.

As for winning because of a misunderstanding... well, ever heard of the Battle of the Bulge? :happy:

Besides, it gives us fodder to explore the Crucible and its technology in a future sequel, or, who knows, leave it like Tali's face (should have been) and leave it unknown, lots of speculation from everyone!

Concerning running this scene concurrently with Shepard...

I did consider that, but I couldn't really see them intercutting scenes we have already seen with ones taking place at the same time and have already played through.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Legion109 wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Legion109 wrote...

- clutches an '04 Harlan Estate Cabernet Sauvignon in the corner crouching and muttering to himself - My Precious

Can I have some fava beans and a nice chianti?

I do believe we have taken a turn into the SURREAL.

 

I believe I have never contributed anything constructive to this thread in the near 1500 pages I've been following it so perhaps me'sa is a troll. (I've no idea how Arians dialogue ended up under mine in my own post)

You may not have contributed much but you've been civil, and a conversation starter from what I've seen, and those are both *salute* worthy.

[Shootokill]

NoSpin wrote...

Shootokill wrote...



The only thing that bothers me, other than the endings of course, is if Bioware intended to release a real ending at a later time. I don't think any game should be subject to that. The game you buy should contain all the core elements to complete the story. I don't mind having DLC to complement the story but the main storyline should be included with your original purchase.

ME4. I don't know why that hasn't been a popular enough theory, but ME3 could be complete as is. With IT it ends on a cliffhanger, and Shepard's story will be resumed in ME4. EA+$$$$= Forced sequels. As a believer in IT, and with Bioware coming out and saying they will only clarify the ending, that is what I would GUESS will happen. Assuming there is in fact no DLC.

If this is the case then it certainly would be a forced sequel as there is no reason Shepard's story couldn't have been finished here. While I agree it's possible, I don't think there will be a ME4 with Shepard as the main character.

[Big G13]

Legion109 wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Legion109 wrote...

- clutches an '04 Harlan Estate Cabernet Sauvignon in the corner crouching and muttering to himself - My Precious

Can I have some fava beans and a nice chianti?

I do believe we have taken a turn into the SURREAL.

 

I believe I have never contributed anything constructive to this thread in the near 1500 pages I've been following it so perhaps me'sa is a troll. (I've no idea how Arians dialogue ended up under mine in my own post)

Thats not true. You've been part of this thread for a long time. And if we left this thread to ONLY people who can write dissertations on the subject all that would be left would be Arian Dynas, GBGrffin, & Epyon. I'd pay to hear it. But I don't know that could read it all.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...


Here is what I would (and eventually will when I have the time to) do with my re-write.

Pre Shepard cutscenes, right after the breath scene, or perhaps somewhere else, I'll think on this;

Bailey is desperately defending the council, several civlilians, some of the people you saved, he reaches a shelter designed to protect the council. A quantum entanglement communicator in the room is set up, originally placed with the intention that the Council can maintain order even from the most dire of suitations Bailey orders someone, perhaps a random Alliance Marine, or the Virmire Survivor if they're an asset to try and contact the fleet and find out what the hell is going on.

Hackett is overjoyed to hear from them, Bailey asks what he can do to thelp, Hackett sugguests C-Sec do all it can to get to the control panel, citing that the attack by Hammer is giving them enough of a distraction that a small team might just make it in the event Hammer can't. Bailey gives a pretty speech to his men, some of the civvies volunteer, they make their way to the council chambers in a few cutscenes, interspersed with cutscenes of Sword fighting the Reaper fleet, finally Bailey and any survivors (the higher your Citadel defense rating, the more people survive. if it's too low, Bailey dies. If the rating is the lowest possible, game over, Reapers win. any higher than that, Bailey dies  but manges to reach the panel, the scene parroting what happened with Shepard in the dream earlier ("Bailey, Commander!") and the arms are opened, Bailey collapses and dies at the panel and the Crucible docks, the Reapers flee, pulling out past Charon, Harbinger fires a shot in the withdrawal and doesn't realize the Crucible was damaged before they have given up their tactical superiorty (if they come through the Charon relay with the fleet sitting on top of it, they know that they'll get wiped out one at a time) and leads them off to dark space to lick their wounds. If your Citadel defense rating was high enough, Bailey is wounded, and carried off by Conrad Verner/Kelly Chambers/Kalisah Al-Jilani/ a random civlilian, and appears at the end in one capacity or another.

I like it. The connection to the events on Earth and with the Sword Fleet is well made. It gives more importance to a sympathetic character like Bailey who was pretty much ignored (on the contrary to the space-ninja), to the Citadel itself and justify the creation of the milicia. You seem to want to let the end open regarding the Reapers (I'm okay with it though). And the Crucible is badly damaged. So we would win because of a misunderstanding
I think the sequence till Bailey's speech should happen while Shep is still trying to get to the beam. Then you have the parallel Shep fighting Indoc Bailey and his team searching for the panel. Apex Bailey reaching the panel / Shep is making his choice..

Just my opnion though, for what it's worth...

Thank you. Personally I liked Kai Leng after a while, liked to hate him, killing that son of a **** was VERY satisfying (got the most pissed off at him after her murdered Miranda, I decided to make that ****sucker pay, and pay HARD.)

The Reapers I feel are far too ingrained in the setting to simply wipe out here. Defeated? Yes. Pushed back? Most certainly. Exterminated? Mmm, not quite yet, there are more stories to be told with them I think.

As for winning because of a misunderstanding... well, ever heard of the Battle of the Bulge? :happy:

Besides, it gives us fodder to explore the Crucible and its technology in a future sequel, or, who knows, leave it like Tali's face (should have been) and leave it unknown, lots of speculation from everyone!

Concerning running this scene concurrently with Shepard...

I did consider that, but I couldn't really see them intercutting scenes we have already seen with ones taking place at the same time and have already played through.

You let the bastard KILL Miranda?? I thought all you had to do was talk to her 3 times total on the Citadel (once at the Normandy dock, once at the spectre office, once at the presidum commons apartment) to avoid that, or maybe that + a loyalty shield....

Thinking about post-ending, post Shepard's Breath scene, how would Shepard contribute to finishing the Reaper fight in that state? Assuming the Indoctrination attempt happened and Shepard is back on Earth, you're more than likely to be in the "feel like death" barely able to move state. So then, would it be up to your squad mates to finish the fight? If there is still a fight anyway.

[lex0r11]

Arian Dynas wrote...

[...]

Thank you. Personally I liked Kai Leng after a while, liked to hate him, killing that son of a **** was VERY satisfying (got the most pissed off at him after her murdered Miranda, I decided to make that ****sucker pay, and pay HARD.)

[...]