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#42601
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Uncle Jo wrote...

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Thank you. Personally I liked Kai Leng after a while, liked to hate him, killing that son of a **** was VERY satisfying (got the most pissed off at him after her murdered Miranda, I decided to make that ****sucker pay, and pay HARD.)

The Reapers I feel are far too ingrained in the setting to simply wipe out here. Defeated? Yes. Pushed back? Most certainly. Exterminated? Mmm, not quite yet, there are more stories to be told with them I think.

As for winning because of a misunderstanding... well, ever heard of the Battle of the Bulge? :happy:

Besides, it gives us fodder to explore the Crucible and its technology in a future sequel, or, who knows, leave it like Tali's face (should have been) and leave it unknown, lots of speculation from everyone!

Concerning running this scene concurrently with Shepard...

I did consider that, but I couldn't really see them intercutting scenes we have already seen with ones taking place at the same time and have already played through.



Did you mean the story of the 101st in Bastogne ? If yes, then I know a little about this kind of misunderstanding :)

Kai Leng should just have died in the Citadel...

Yeah my mistake about the intercutting of Bailey/Shep. Forgot the scenes with Shep are already known a little bit :D It could be narrated as a flashback after Shep wakes up (partly or completely).


Time to sleep. I really enjoyed to converse with you :)  and hope it won't be the last one.





Hmm, it would have been interesting to kill Leng on the Citadel. But in the Cerberus base, figthing the anti-shepard... it felt poetic somehow.
( )

And yeah, to be honest, I usually hate flashbacks, especially since, unless you are explicitly going for a limited veiwpoint in a story, they seldom, if ever fit well, at all.

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Bane is such a badass, even with a awkward voiceover.

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Come on people, i still got like an hour on this train!

Some more sidetracking maybe?
youtu.be/QPc9LhKA5C4

How does R* always find these cool songs for their trailers.

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its called good taste in music. some of the r guys must have it.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...


Thank you. Personally I liked Kai Leng after a while, liked to hate him, killing that son of a **** was VERY satisfying (got the most pissed off at him after her murdered Miranda, I decided to make that ****sucker pay, and pay HARD.)

The Reapers I feel are far too ingrained in the setting to simply wipe out here. Defeated? Yes. Pushed back? Most certainly. Exterminated? Mmm, not quite yet, there are more stories to be told with them I think.

As for winning because of a misunderstanding... well, ever heard of the Battle of the Bulge? :happy:

Besides, it gives us fodder to explore the Crucible and its technology in a future sequel, or, who knows, leave it like Tali's face (should have been) and leave it unknown, lots of speculation from everyone!

Concerning running this scene concurrently with Shepard...

I did consider that, but I couldn't really see them intercutting scenes we have already seen with ones taking place at the same time and have already played through.



Did you mean the story of the 101st in Bastogne ? If yes, then I know a little about this kind of misunderstanding :)

Kai Leng should just have died in the Citadel...

Yeah my mistake about the intercutting of Bailey/Shep. Forgot the scenes with Shep are already known a little bit :D It could be narrated as a flashback after Shep wakes up (partly or completely).


Time to sleep. I really enjoyed to converse with you :)  and hope it won't be the last one.





Hmm, it would have been interesting to kill Leng on the Citadel. But in the Cerberus base, figthing the anti-shepard... it felt poetic somehow.
( )

And yeah, to be honest, I usually hate flashbacks, especially since, unless you are explicitly going for a limited veiwpoint in a story, they seldom, if ever fit well, at all.


I was never very fond of Kai Leng.. he somhow felt pressed into the story and was nat a good villian in my eyes more like "I'm the little dumb puppet of IM .. and I hat you Shepard.. kill, kill, kill... !"
They could have left him out and replace him with a Cerberus Trooper and you wouldn't feel really a difference.

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Vahilor wrote...

I was never very fond of Kai Leng.. he somhow felt pressed into the story and was nat a good villian in my eyes more like "I'm the little dumb puppet of IM .. and I hat you Shepard.. kill, kill, kill... !"
They could have left him out and replace him with a Cerberus Trooper and you wouldn't feel really a difference.


IMO, Kai Leng along with the cutscenes regarding Kahlee Sanders and Anderson are fan service for those who have read the novels. That's probably why they felt pressed. 

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HellishFiend wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

I was never very fond of Kai Leng.. he somhow felt pressed into the story and was nat a good villian in my eyes more like "I'm the little dumb puppet of IM .. and I hat you Shepard.. kill, kill, kill... !"
They could have left him out and replace him with a Cerberus Trooper and you wouldn't feel really a difference.


IMO, Kai Leng along with the cutscenes regarding Kahlee Sanders and Anderson are fan service for those who have read the novels. That's probably why they felt pressed. 


Still liked how he almost failed against a half dead Thane.

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lex0r11 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

I was never very fond of Kai Leng.. he somhow felt pressed into the story and was nat a good villian in my eyes more like "I'm the little dumb puppet of IM .. and I hat you Shepard.. kill, kill, kill... !"
They could have left him out and replace him with a Cerberus Trooper and you wouldn't feel really a difference.


IMO, Kai Leng along with the cutscenes regarding Kahlee Sanders and Anderson are fan service for those who have read the novels. That's probably why they felt pressed. 


Still liked how he almost failed against a half dead Thane.


Yep, and Thane himself says it perfectly: "A terminally ill Drell stopped him from reaching his target"^_^

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lex0r11 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

I was never very fond of Kai Leng.. he somhow felt pressed into the story and was nat a good villian in my eyes more like "I'm the little dumb puppet of IM .. and I hat you Shepard.. kill, kill, kill... !"
They could have left him out and replace him with a Cerberus Trooper and you wouldn't feel really a difference.


IMO, Kai Leng along with the cutscenes regarding Kahlee Sanders and Anderson are fan service for those who have read the novels. That's probably why they felt pressed. 


Still liked how he almost failed against a half dead Thane.

Yea. If for no other reason than it gave Thane a good end (something alot of us were screaming for before the release ) having Kai Leng was worth it.

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Big G13 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

I was never very fond of Kai Leng.. he somhow felt pressed into the story and was nat a good villian in my eyes more like "I'm the little dumb puppet of IM .. and I hat you Shepard.. kill, kill, kill... !"
They could have left him out and replace him with a Cerberus Trooper and you wouldn't feel really a difference.


IMO, Kai Leng along with the cutscenes regarding Kahlee Sanders and Anderson are fan service for those who have read the novels. That's probably why they felt pressed. 


Still liked how he almost failed against a half dead Thane.

Yea. If for no other reason than it gave Thane a good end (something alot of us were screaming for before the release ) having Kai Leng was worth it.


But it still doesn't make him a good antagonist :)

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He's only a "good" antagonist if you've read the books. But even then, I found his in-game presentation lacking.

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lex0r11 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

What? There was a way to save Kelly?


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


Tell her to change her name. That apparently saves her.


It's 06:00am over here. I'm still sitting in a train on the way home and i want so scream right now.


To save her, Tell her to Change her name.  Then visit her after a mission or two and she'll be back with a new hair cut and name.  Visit her some more.  Then she survives Cerebus and she gives you a Picture if you "romanced" her in ME2.  You can also have one of those fade to black romance scenes with her which doesn't affect your standing with another Squadmate like Liara :wub:

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Vahilor wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

I was never very fond of Kai Leng.. he somhow felt pressed into the story and was nat a good villian in my eyes more like "I'm the little dumb puppet of IM .. and I hat you Shepard.. kill, kill, kill... !"
They could have left him out and replace him with a Cerberus Trooper and you wouldn't feel really a difference.


IMO, Kai Leng along with the cutscenes regarding Kahlee Sanders and Anderson are fan service for those who have read the novels. That's probably why they felt pressed. 


Still liked how he almost failed against a half dead Thane.

Yea. If for no other reason than it gave Thane a good end (something alot of us were screaming for before the release ) having Kai Leng was worth it.


But it still doesn't make him a good antagonist :)

True enough. But I would still rather see Thane go down (if he must go down) fighting a sub par antagonist who is singular and different in the game, than I would seeing him go down at the hand of some random Cerberus trooper dude.

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Also, what was that crap on Kai Lengs eyes? Who does he think he is? Zorro. :)

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Big G13 wrote...

Also, what was that crap on Kai Lengs eyes? Who does he think he is? Zorro. :)


You can get this thing yourself as part of your gear ^^ and play Zoro Shep ^^

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Vahilor wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Also, what was that crap on Kai Lengs eyes? Who does he think he is? Zorro. :)


You can get this thing yourself as part of your gear ^^ and play Zoro Shep ^^


That's the one with the big giant jaw segments right? Or did I miss a piece of armor again ><

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Vahilor wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Also, what was that crap on Kai Lengs eyes? Who does he think he is? Zorro. :)


You can get this thing yourself as part of your gear ^^ and play Zoro Shep ^^

Does it come with a sword? Because, it's kind of a matched set. Right?:)

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Big G13 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Also, what was that crap on Kai Lengs eyes? Who does he think he is? Zorro. :)


You can get this thing yourself as part of your gear ^^ and play Zoro Shep ^^

Does it come with a sword? Because, it's kind of a matched set. Right?:)


No no sword.. I think you'll need to by it via DLC to become true Shep Zoro :crying:

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Vahilor wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Also, what was that crap on Kai Lengs eyes? Who does he think he is? Zorro. :)


You can get this thing yourself as part of your gear ^^ and play Zoro Shep ^^

Does it come with a sword? Because, it's kind of a matched set. Right?:)


No no sword.. I think you'll need to by it via DLC to become true Shep Zoro :crying:

Commander Shepard, cursing through the universe with his/her sword, carving a giant 'S' on every reaper he/she takes down. That could work.:D
EDIT: cruising, not cursing, cruising through the universe.:blink:

Modifié par Big G13, 24 avril 2012 - 06:52 .


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waldstr18 wrote...

@byne - wrote you a private message, otherwise the troll chasers will hunt me again ... with fire!


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What was it I said about waldstr earlier? "Formless manifestation of pure belligerence"? Yeah, gonna stick with that one.

Uncle Jo wrote...

TIM looking different is just Shep's combination of how he remembers him (he already saw him) and his last picture of an indoctrinated Saren. It's not that illogical.
My God, I'm defending the IT now....


<whispers> Joinnnn ussssss.

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everyone hates being ignored


Not hermits.

So... Waldstr is made of belligerence. We have established this. Wikipedia recognizes it as fact. We are free to move on. I suggest re-hashing this find ealier today. We actually have a way of killing Reapers that fulfills the promise of not being a giant asspull deus ex machina device (the Crucible), doesn't destroy civilization, and was foreshadowed.

To which, I forgot to reply earlier: yes a ship would probably go right through a Reaper but I wouldn't say "causes minimal damage." Ever shot someone in the skull with a widow? See that headless body flying backward for 4 feet? :) It would just be a matter of finding out which parts are critical. If nothing else, we know where their mass effect core is located due to the derelict Reaper in ME2.

Also, I agree with Uncle Jo. Jacob must pilot a suicide bomber. I don't mind Cortez, but Jacob's cheating, meme-spewing ass is another story.

Shepard: Sounds like a suicide mission. Jacob volunteers, right?
Jacob: Shepard, things are different now. I've got a baby--
Shepard: And he'll grow up knowing what a hero his dad was. Get on the ship.
Jacob: But Shepard--
Shepard: GET ON THE ****ING SHIP!
Admiral Han'Gerrel: Well played, Shepard. We must all make sacrifices in this war.
Shepard: I'm glad you feel that way, because I've got one for you too.

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HellishFiend wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

I was never very fond of Kai Leng.. he somhow felt pressed into the story and was nat a good villian in my eyes more like "I'm the little dumb puppet of IM .. and I hat you Shepard.. kill, kill, kill... !"
They could have left him out and replace him with a Cerberus Trooper and you wouldn't feel really a difference.


IMO, Kai Leng along with the cutscenes regarding Kahlee Sanders and Anderson are fan service for those who have read the novels. That's probably why they felt pressed. 


Still liked how he almost failed against a half dead Thane.


Yep, and Thane himself says it perfectly: "A terminally ill Drell stopped him from reaching his target"^_^


Because Thane is just that good.

protognosis wrote...

He's only a "good" antagonist if you've read the books. But even then, I found his in-game presentation lacking.


I'll agree with that.

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So.... slow day...

Shall I try digging up more evidence to pontificate over?

Or is no one even awake?

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@Rifneno - I'm going to be completely honest. Some days your posts bug me, just a little. But other days..... other days you are a hero. This is one of those days. "formless manifestation of pure belligerence" beautiful, just beautiful.

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Rifneno wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@byne - wrote you a private message, otherwise the troll chasers will hunt me again ... with fire!


What was it I said about waldstr earlier? "Formless manifestation of pure belligerence"? Yeah, gonna stick with that one.


you are my second favorit anti troll. welcome back.

even if i try to evade you, you still think im looking for conflict.

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@BigG13
His sesquipedalian loquaciousness never fails to delight my tumescence

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 24 avril 2012 - 07:18 .