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[waldstr18]

its just a guy. one of the ships. ! thats why you have to lose the blaster at mastabas. otherwise you could just shoot him.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Vahilor wrote...

Did you guys read this ?

http://www.adam-meye...s-effect-3.html

Definitlety a good read. A thought I pulled from it concerning Shepard already dying and coming back (ME2). As a literary device  killing the hero has been used before but so has killing the hero and brining him/her back. This got me thinking, "You can't kill what's already dead." In reality Shepard can still die from any number of things (bullets, reaper blasts, old age) yes, but within the confines of a story killing the hero, brining him back, then killing him again doesn't work that well in my opinion.  Bioware probably knew that being the amazing writers they are or at least knew fans might feel it was wrong.

Applying this to Indoctrination Theory, or any Theory that states the endings of ME3 were not the real endings, Shepard cannot be dead in this story because he/she has already died.

[Arian Dynas]

waldstr18 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@arian

if only you would actually ignore me. didnt you state your not reacting to my posts a few hours ago? here you are still posting.

see, if you were to ignore me, the not so sensitve guys here would answer my questions, just like they already do, no one attacks me, and i would leave again. wouldnt that be a beautiful world?

I am pleased to see you being honest. Now I can report you for harassment without any guilt.

harassment? really? im starting to think i should have never started with the whole forum business. on the other hand, i would never have learned that i have the ability to be a troll, which seems to be a lot of fun according to google. well, do what you must, but im sorry you feel that way.

You do realize... being a troll is not a good thing.

Being an internet troll is basically being that kid on the beach who kicks apart other people's sand castles.

There is no rhyme, reason or logic to it. It's just needlessly being rude to people whom have done you no paticular wrong, just for the purpose of attempting to look smarter or better than them, when in reality, you are only succeding at looking like a jerk.

And don't deny, by your own admission, you only posted many of the comments that earned you nasty replies because you liked the idea of trolling.

Trolling is for the cynical, who beleive that they can look smarter, by trying to make others look dumber.

Perhaps, if you really want attention, and to actually enjoy the forumgoing experience, you should try to give something positive and constructive to the thread, share your ubiased thoughts, or share your opinions, but keep them polite, run it by another person if you truly have difficulty doing so. GIve us more than "Because I think so" give reasons, evidence why we are wrong. Try to disprove us and earn our respect instead of our scorn.

And to be entirely honest, you aren't a very good troll either. I veiw you with the same kind of mild annoyance I get whenever I see a 5 year old having a temper tantrum in the store, I merely shake my head sadly, looking at a waste of potential and time, and move on. The fact is, you have no idea where my real buttons are.

Until you can actually post something constructive, I may reply to you, but in the end, I won't talk to you, because if you can't, then I shall simply continue to reserve my pity for you, that you so desperately need attention that you do so by trying to be an annoyance.

[waldstr18]

Skillz1986 wrote...

@waldstraße 18(i assume)

Not quite right. while it is true, that joker picks you up once you ran out of bullets, he will also pick you up onve you've defeated a certain amount of canibals. you don't have to be there all day.

you assume right, and i assumed wrong. sorry, i didnt test it out thourougly (spelling a+) enough. thanks for correcting me.

[Skillz1986]

Didn't to come off as a smart ass or anything, just figured it out yesterday, because the "out of bullets pickup" was a tad hilarious.

[waldstr18]

Arian Dynas wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

@arian

if only you would actually ignore me. didnt you state your not reacting to my posts a few hours ago? here you are still posting.

see, if you were to ignore me, the not so sensitve guys here would answer my questions, just like they already do, no one attacks me, and i would leave again. wouldnt that be a beautiful world?

I am pleased to see you being honest. Now I can report you for harassment without any guilt.

harassment? really? im starting to think i should have never started with the whole forum business. on the other hand, i would never have learned that i have the ability to be a troll, which seems to be a lot of fun according to google. well, do what you must, but im sorry you feel that way.

You do realize... being a troll is not a good thing.

Being an internet troll is basically being that kid on the beach who kicks apart other people's sand castles.

There is no rhyme, reason or logic to it. It's just needlessly being rude to people whom have done you no paticular wrong, just for the purpose of attempting to look smarter or better than them, when in reality, you are only succeding at looking like a jerk.

And don't deny, by your own admission, you only posted many of the comments that earned you nasty replies because you liked the idea of trolling.

Trolling is for the cynical, who beleive that they can look smarter, by trying to make others look dumber.

Perhaps, if you really want attention, and to actually enjoy the forumgoing experience, you should try to give something positive and constructive to the thread, share your ubiased thoughts, or share your opinions, but keep them polite, run it by another person if you truly have difficulty doing so. GIve us more than "Because I think so" give reasons, evidence why we are wrong. Try to disprove us and earn our respect instead of our scorn.

And to be entirely honest, you aren't a very good troll either. I veiw you with the same kind of mild annoyance I get whenever I see a 5 year old having a temper tantrum in the store, I merely shake my head sadly, looking at a waste of potential and time, and move on. The fact is, you have no idea where my real buttons are.

Until you can actually post something constructive, I may reply to you, but in the end, I won't talk to you, because if you can't, then I shall simply continue to reserve my pity for you, that you so desperately need attention that you do so by trying to be an annoyance.

dont twist my words. i already said that i havent done anything trolling in here. i said i will do something troll like once its proven, but just because i feel wronged by you calling me a troll prematurely.

also for the discussion. i actually brought up a few points. but there is no convincing you, just like there is no convincing me. its like the discussing with the religious guys, the only difference is, i dont have to wait and hope for jesus not to come back, since bioware said in summer there will be answers.

as for trolling being bad. not necessarily. i found some site where there were lots of troll jokes, which i truely found hilarious. "they cant all be c, right?" - study to become a teacher then give out a test in which every answer is c. i laughed so hard. i want to be that funny, thats why i think professional troll is the carreer choice for me. as for trying to show people im smarter than they are. well, i dont think that works for trolls. cause by being a troll you pretty much show everyone that you have the brainage (i hope nintendo didnt just make up that word) of 12.

but, if you call me a troll... well, ill happily relive my childhood and show you just how much troll i can be. ill be the bestestestes troll you have ever seen! well, maybe not the best, but above average, im sure.

[HellishFiend]

waldstr18 wrote...

its just a guy. one of the ships. ! thats why you have to lose the blaster at mastabas. otherwise you could just shoot him.

Makes sense. But that sucks because if I recall, there is at least an hour or two of gameplay between failing to shoot the ship down and getting to mastabas lab. That is a lot of lost progress, assuming you even have a save to revert to...

Also, I found the video I was talking about: 

http://www.youtube.c...uJiZPKmM#t=7m4s 

On a side note, yes, I have watched and read most of the "debunking IT" material out there, like that video. Most of us are quite willing to be objective and consider all the information. I'm one of the ones that has fully read up on and researched both points of view (IT vs face value), and I decided that IT is most likely correct.  I respect the opposing point of view though, as long as they give IT the respect it deserves by being fully aware of it before deciding not to believe it. 

[Arian Dynas]

Waldstr. You have my pity. No longer my scorn, annoyance or even disgust. Merely my pity. I am done with you. Go about your posting. There is no point trying to get blood from a stone.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 24 avril 2012 - 08:36 .

[waldstr18]

Skillz1986 wrote...

Didn't to come off as a smart ass or anything, just figured it out yesterday, because the "out of bullets pickup" was a tad hilarious.

why do you people always read into things? im actually glad you corrected me, since it reminds me not to be too hasty with my conclusions. so again, thank you.

and i dont see how you could think one could see you as smart ass or anything. you dont have to be that careful with me, if your intentions arent clear to me, ill ask you, before i call the anti troll patrol (short ATP)

Modifié par waldstr18, 24 avril 2012 - 08:38 .

[waldstr18]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Waldstr. You have my pity. No longer my scorn, annoyance or even disgust. Merely my pity. I am done with you. Go about your posting. There is no point trying to get blood from a stone.

hard as a rock. dadadadadadada cause im HARD AS ROCK!

thanks i guess.

[waldstr18]

HellishFiend wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

its just a guy. one of the ships. ! thats why you have to lose the blaster at mastabas. otherwise you could just shoot him.

Makes sense. But that sucks because if I recall, there is at least an hour or two of gameplay between failing to shoot the ship down and getting to mastabas lab. That is a lot of lost progress, assuming you even have a save to revert to...

Also, I found the video I was talking about: 

http://www.youtube.c...uJiZPKmM#t=7m4s 

On a side note, yes, I have watched and read most of the "debunking IT" material out there, like that video. Most of us are quite willing to be objective and consider all the information. I'm one of the ones that has fully read up on and researched both points of view (IT vs face value), and I decided that IT is most likely correct.  I respect the opposing point of view though, as long as they give IT the respect it deserves by being fully aware of it before deciding not to believe it. 

i fully agree, but i also have to appologize, cause by trolling you guys once its disproven i have to ridicule the theory, otherwise the "in you face" wont work. sorry for that. but i hope you will remember me telling you, even though some of you might be offended, i mean it all in good fun.

oh, and i know the trollhunters wont accept my appologees but will instead be outraged ... well, lets say... i think that will be intended then. serves them right for calling me a troll. now i just hope the ending dlc will rule out any doubt. otherwise the joke is on me.

[Arian Dynas]

Realized a few interesting things.

One: Saren is mentioned more in this game than ME2 and all the DLC combined. ME1 is the only place his name is mentioned more often, and for obvious reasons.

Two: it occurred to me, if the Reapers could take the Citadel from its location in the Widow nebula any time they wanted, as shown with the ending, then why didn't they take it earlier?

[waldstr18]

and a forum ettiquete question on the side. its rude to write personal mesages, isnt it? cause i wrote one to byne, in which i appologized twice for doing so, but i did it to evade the anti troll patrol, but he hasnt replied.

now should i appologize again or just wait a day or two?

edit: if you want to write me personal messages, im fine with that, i like to talk and i dont believe in ettiquete that much anyhow.

Modifié par waldstr18, 24 avril 2012 - 08:46 .

[Vahilor]

waldstr18 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

its just a guy. one of the ships. ! thats why you have to lose the blaster at mastabas. otherwise you could just shoot him.

Makes sense. But that sucks because if I recall, there is at least an hour or two of gameplay between failing to shoot the ship down and getting to mastabas lab. That is a lot of lost progress, assuming you even have a save to revert to...

Also, I found the video I was talking about: 

http://www.youtube.c...uJiZPKmM#t=7m4s 

On a side note, yes, I have watched and read most of the "debunking IT" material out there, like that video. Most of us are quite willing to be objective and consider all the information. I'm one of the ones that has fully read up on and researched both points of view (IT vs face value), and I decided that IT is most likely correct.  I respect the opposing point of view though, as long as they give IT the respect it deserves by being fully aware of it before deciding not to believe it. 

i fully agree, but i also have to appologize, cause by trolling you guys once its disproven i have to ridicule the theory, otherwise the "in you face" wont work. sorry for that. but i hope you will remember me telling you, even though some of you might be offended, i mean it all in good fun.

oh, and i know the trollhunters wont accept my appologees but will instead be outraged ... well, lets say... i think that will be intended then. serves them right for calling me a troll. now i just hope the ending dlc will rule out any doubt. otherwise the joke is on me.

You know what makes you a troll ? It is the second part of your post here (as an exampel). If you would have left this (cause it's again aprovocation) you would sound much more reasonable and friendliy.. but you ruind it with the second part.

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Realized a few interesting things.

One: Saren is mentioned more in this game than ME2 and all the DLC combined. ME1 is the only place his name is mentioned more often, and for obvious reasons.

Two: it occurred to me, if the Reapers could take the Citadel from its location in the Widow nebula any time they wanted, as shown with the ending, then why didn't they take it earlier?

I actually think there is a chance that the story has been leading up to the Synthesis/Saren, Control/TIM, and Destroy/Anderson choices since the very start. Either that, or Bioware has done a very good job playing off the plot from ME1 when devising the ending. 

Think about it. Throughout the first two games we are introduced to two characters who have been indoctrinated into believing two very different but still two very much indoctrinated points of view. Saren, who believes it is possible to combine (synthesize) with the reapers, and TIM, who believes it is possible to control the reapers. They both think they are doing what is best (a hallmark of indoctrination), but are ultimately serving the reapers goals. Thats what I believe Shepard is presented with at the end. The choice to give in to one of the two points of view we've been fighting against this whole time, or stick to your guns. 

[Skillz1986]

@waldstr.
I was neither readimg too much into your post, nor were i overly cautious with you in particular. it's just something i have developed when using forums "don't assume everyone knows your intention"...im forums, i prefer to do it like the elcor.

I do the same thing with vocabulary. let's assume, that in a conversation with you i would use the term "in medias res"...i would explain in right away, not because i think you don't know what it means, just as a precaution.

[waldstr18]

Vahilor wrote...

You know what makes you a troll ? It is the second part of your post here (as an exampel). If you would have left this (cause it's again aprovocation) you would sound much more reasonable and friendliy.. but you ruind it with the second part.

really? i actually added the second part, just to make sure you know i know the consequences of my actions. all i do is always meant it good fun, i never mean to make someones life more difficult. i know that even though i dont mean the things i post as flame, some people will always see it as such. to clarify that, i wrote the second part.

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...



Two: it occurred to me, if the Reapers could take the Citadel from its location in the Widow nebula any time they wanted, as shown with the ending, then why didn't they take it earlier?

I've thought about this too, and havent been able to come up with anything convincing. It's possible that they have some kind of ulterior motive for letting the organics hang on to it, or just that it's not consequential enough for them to bother with until they have a compelling reason. 

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Arian,

I'd wondered about the Citadel situation myself. I couldn't figure why the Reapers didn't mass on it after arriving in Batarian space. Even with the Citadel fleet they'd walk through it like they do everything. From there they can eliminate most galactic leadership and proceed as they normally do when starting a cycle.

Another thing, The Destiny Ascension is the flagship for the Citadel fleet, if the Reapers sacked the Citadel it obviously made it out of the battle as you see it in the final fleet battle for Earth but nothing is mentioned over a battle for the Citadel aside from quick quotes from Anderson and Hackett.

And another thing, you retain your Citadel defense force war asset for the battle, wouldn't that mean C-sec and the defense force are still fighting even though it's been captured?

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 24 avril 2012 - 09:00 .

[Arian Dynas]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Arian,

I'd wondered about the Citadel situation myself. I couldn't figure why the Reapers didn't mass on it after arriving in Batarian space. Even with the Citadel fleet they'd like walk through it like they do everything. From there they can eliminate most galactic leadership and proceed as they normally do when starting a cycle.

Another thing, The Destiny Ascension is the flagship for the Citadel fleet, if the Reapers sacked the Citadel it obviously made it out of the battle as you see it in the final fleet battle for Earth but nothing is mentioned over a battle for the Citadel aside from quick quotes from Anderson and Hackett.

And another thing, you retain your Citadel defense force war asset for the battle, wouldn't that mean C-sec and the defense force are still fighting even though it's been captured?

There really is only one logical answer imo.

We were played.

The Crucible is a lie, a trap designed by the Reapers.

[spotlessvoid]

In regards to waldstr18:
Whether intentional or not, if your comments convey disdain for indoctrination theory, with no constructive arguements being made, you will be called a troll. If you have made mocking or inflammatory statements in the past, with no attempts at reconciliation, and continue to make remarks with contemptuous undertones, real or imagined, do not be surprised if you are not afforded the benefit of the doubt.
Open discussion in the search for better understanding is wholly expected and encouraged.


Additionally, claiming you will troll this thread hard if IDT is proven false is a blatant admission of your ultimate motives. Just because your every post isn't a troll doesn't mean your'e not. There are plenty of threads on the BSN that are not IDT related, yet here you still are.

Ask yourself this one question: What is your impact on this thread? I honestly can't remember ever seeing you respond to anything IDT related without shifting back the burden of proof. You think IDT is wrong and we are naive for believing in it. We get it.

[Skillz1986]

@hellishfiend

wait, maybe i'm a bit out of the loop, but as far as i remember, saren never mentioned anything even nearly resembling the rape of logic represented by synthesis. all he said was, that he believed serving the reapers, would make them leave him and his species alone. letting them live as the servants of the reapers he never said anything about "merging" with the reapers. correct me if i'm wrong, but that's how i remember it.

[HellishFiend]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...


And another thing, you retain your Citadel defense force war asset for the battle, wouldn't that mean C-sec and the defense force are still fighting even though it's been captured?

Someone from Bioware mentioned (Hopefully it wasnt that Jennifer character, because I dont believe she actually KNOWS anything) something along the lines that we should assume that all the people we met are still alive, which would indicate that our citadel defense forces may yet still come into play. 

It's also possible that since your war assets are locked when you start the attack on Cerberus HQ, that any changes simply dont reflect. 

[Arian Dynas]

Skillz1986 wrote...

@hellishfiend

wait, maybe i'm a bit out of the loop, but as far as i remember, saren never mentioned anything even nearly resembling the rape of logic represented by synthesis. all he said was, that he believed serving the reapers, would make them leave him and his species alone. letting them live as the servants of the reapers he never said anything about "merging" with the reapers. correct me if i'm wrong, but that's how i remember it.

He beleived in becoming a servant, appeasing them, that only he could bring peace between machines and organics. Watch Avaycos's excellent movie again and see the Saren section, you'll see what we mean

[HellishFiend]

Skillz1986 wrote...

@hellishfiend

wait, maybe i'm a bit out of the loop, but as far as i remember, saren never mentioned anything even nearly resembling the rape of logic represented by synthesis. all he said was, that he believed serving the reapers, would make them leave him and his species alone. letting them live as the servants of the reapers he never said anything about "merging" with the reapers. correct me if i'm wrong, but that's how i remember it.

The IT video on youtube brings up several quotes from Saren that are very indicative of Synthesis-oriented indoctrination. He says something along the lines of "the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither", and a couple of other things. At it's most basic level though, its the belief that organics can somehow be allied or otherwise enjoy some grand togetherness with the Reapers, which is essentially what is presented to us by the starchild, and as we know, not possible.