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[HellishFiend]

Skillz1986 wrote...

@waldstr.18
And i would tell you,that it is your job to make games which appease me (the masses in that context).
It's one of the oldest rules in literature. the reviewer does not have to be better than the artist. the argument "well, do it better then" is irrelevant. Let's assume you invite me to dinner. and i say that your cooking skill sucks. whether you tell me i could not do it better myself, does not change the fact, it still sucks.

 

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also, this: 
 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 24 avril 2012 - 09:46 .

[waldstr18]

Skillz1986 wrote...

@waldstr.18
And i would tell you,that it is your job to make games which appease me (the masses in that context).
It's one of the oldest rules in literature. the reviewer does not have to be better than the artist. the argument "well, do it better then" is irrelevant. Let's assume you invite me to dinner. and i say that your cooking skill sucks. whether you tell me i could not do it better myself, does not change the fact, it still sucks.

i said if bioware wasnt a company. my cooking does suck, still its rude to tell me that bluntly, especially if i have invited you.

also i find your examples, again, disrespectful to bioware. why dont you value the company, who brought you many great games, just because you dont like the ending of their latest one. cause that, in my opinion, is true trolling.

Modifié par waldstr18, 24 avril 2012 - 09:47 .

[Big G13]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm back Any news over the night?

At the moment the cycle is repeating, AGAIN.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Big G13 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm back Any news over the night?

At the moment the cycle is repeating, AGAIN.

Yeah I see

"It's the trolls, isn't it?"
"If I knew that"
"It is the trolls, and we're not ready. Not by a long shot."

[HellishFiend]

Big G13 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm back Any news over the night?

At the moment the cycle is repeating, AGAIN.

Wait, what? What are you talking about? You're trolling everyone in the topic to SAVE us? Otherwise we are doomed?

It must not be a thing we can comprehend. 

[Skillz1986]

@waldstr.18
And yes, of course it would be better not to respond to every random guy who basically does not know what he's talking about. imagine you have a lecture going on in the university. you have estblished a theory, most of the questions possibly debunking your theory have been addressed and the crowd is listening to what you have to say. now, every five minutes, along comes the smart ass being late for your lecture. not only does he ask one of the questions already addressed, he does it in this fashion "aaaaw come one professor from waldstreet 18...stop it already. you're just being ridiculous and i can tell you why(insert reason)" he leaves the room without even waiting for your answer....and that happens constantly. some people just feel insulted by such behaviour and want to express why..hence the answers

[Big G13]

Ravereth wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

MAKE IT STOP!

It all seemed harmless...

I was referring to the endless statements of 'no offense' immediately followed by offensive statements.

[Ravereth]

waldstr18 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

i did make constructive arguements.
like the possibility of only the red ending.
idt too well hidden for the common gamer.
pretentiousness to say bioware gave us half a game.

So maybe YOU can answer my previous question about this situation when only red ending is available... "how is this scene with child and his grandpa(?) possible, if someone had low EMS and every organic and synthetic life got deystoyed and of course if IT is false?"

admitting the only destroy ending is my weakes arguement, i dont see the problem there. is really all organic life destroyed with low ems? i never heard that. i know about earth being destroyed, but not all organic life. synthetic - yes, organic - i dont think so.

could someone with more background knowledge confirm that, please.

Hmm that's actually how do I interpret the fact that No one gets off the Normandy...

Modifié par Ravereth, 24 avril 2012 - 09:52 .

[waldstr18]

i never leave without letting you answer. also i have stopped arguing. i only do so when people say i have to bring evidence or proof or what not.

what i am doing is coming in the room, asking if the theory is still supported and if there is news or actual evidence, then i leave.

[HellishFiend]

Ravereth wrote...


Hmm that's actually how do I interpret the fact that No one gets off the Normandy...

Am I the only one that was really creeped out by that?

*click...hiss* *cut to black*

O_O 

[Skillz1986]

@waldstr.18
i do personally value them, i just gave you an example why the argument "do it better then" is irrelevant in every damn discussion. whether it is polite or not to call someone out on the fact that he sucks is something completely different.

But..i do take issue with what bioware promised, and what they hve delivered. and it is my right to call them out on that. because not only did the ending suck (subjective) but it was not anywhee near to what they had promised (objective). Beacause it is an a,b,c ending. Ther are no 16 endings. my choices are all nullified by that ending and so on.

Furthermore, with it..we actually still have hope that bioware are the genius mimds we always tbought. so we are valuing them more than anyone else.

[waldstr18]

Ravereth wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

i did make constructive arguements.
like the possibility of only the red ending.
idt too well hidden for the common gamer.
pretentiousness to say bioware gave us half a game.

So maybe YOU can answer my previous question about this situation when only red ending is available... "how is this scene with child and his grandpa(?) possible, if someone had low EMS and every organic and synthetic life got deystoyed and of course if IT is false?"

admitting the only destroy ending is my weakes arguement, i dont see the problem there. is really all organic life destroyed with low ems? i never heard that. i know about earth being destroyed, but not all organic life. synthetic - yes, organic - i dont think so.

could someone with more background knowledge confirm that, please.

Hmm that's actually how do I interpret the fact that No one gets off the Normandy...

id interpret that as your crew not surviing, not all organic life.

[Big G13]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm back Any news over the night?

At the moment the cycle is repeating, AGAIN.

Yeah I see

"It's the trolls, isn't it?"
"If I knew that"
"It is the trolls, and we're not ready. Not by a long shot."

What's the ETA on the crucible? We must finish it NOW. Or all may be lost.

[Vahilor]

@Waldstr18

Read this and you see why the endings suck (even without IDT) and what the big mistake is BW did.. and still is doing (when they don't go with IT).

http://www.adam-meye...s-effect-3.html

And this article is written by a professional literature/movie critic.

[HellishFiend]

waldstr18 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

i did make constructive arguements.
like the possibility of only the red ending.
idt too well hidden for the common gamer.
pretentiousness to say bioware gave us half a game.

So maybe YOU can answer my previous question about this situation when only red ending is available... "how is this scene with child and his grandpa(?) possible, if someone had low EMS and every organic and synthetic life got deystoyed and of course if IT is false?"

admitting the only destroy ending is my weakes arguement, i dont see the problem there. is really all organic life destroyed with low ems? i never heard that. i know about earth being destroyed, but not all organic life. synthetic - yes, organic - i dont think so.

could someone with more background knowledge confirm that, please.

Hmm that's actually how do I interpret the fact that No one gets off the Normandy...

id interpret that as your crew not surviing, not all organic life.

I actually have to agree with this. In a face-value interpretation, I think that its just the initial pulse from the citadel that indiscriminately scorches everything in range, and the pulses sent through the relays act normally.


But I can see how its possible that the low-EMS pulses that get sent through the relays are what cause your crew to die, indicating that a similar fate awaits everything else hit by the pulse. 

On a similar note, the fact that the ship crash lands in the same fashion *cough*withoutanydamagetothesurroundingfoliage*cough* regardless of whether or not your crew actually survives is actually a point for IT in my book. 

[Ravereth]

waldstr18 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

i did make constructive arguements.
like the possibility of only the red ending.
idt too well hidden for the common gamer.
pretentiousness to say bioware gave us half a game.

So maybe YOU can answer my previous question about this situation when only red ending is available... "how is this scene with child and his grandpa(?) possible, if someone had low EMS and every organic and synthetic life got deystoyed and of course if IT is false?"

admitting the only destroy ending is my weakes arguement, i dont see the problem there. is really all organic life destroyed with low ems? i never heard that. i know about earth being destroyed, but not all organic life. synthetic - yes, organic - i dont think so.

could someone with more background knowledge confirm that, please.

Hmm that's actually how do I interpret the fact that No one gets off the Normandy...

id interpret that as your crew not surviing, not all organic life.

OK but WHY nobody survives? I think, that because this beautifull <3 red wave kills them 

[Big G13]

HellishFiend wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm back Any news over the night?

At the moment the cycle is repeating, AGAIN.

Wait, what? What are you talking about? You're trolling everyone in the topic to SAVE us? Otherwise we are doomed?

It must not be a thing we can comprehend. 

OMG, you're right. Its the star brat in a new form.

[waldstr18]

Skillz1986 wrote...

@waldstr.18
i do personally value them, i just gave you an example why the argument "do it better then" is irrelevant in every damn discussion. whether it is polite or not to call someone out on the fact that he sucks is something completely different.

But..i do take issue with what bioware promised, and what they hve delivered. and it is my right to call them out on that. because not only did the ending suck (subjective) but it was not anywhee near to what they had promised (objective). Beacause it is an a,b,c ending. Ther are no 16 endings. my choices are all nullified by that ending and so on.

Furthermore, with it..we actually still have hope that bioware are the genius mimds we always tbought. so we are valuing them more than anyone else.

you call it valueing, i call it belittleing. i actually find the indoctrination theory worse than the retake masseffect movement. at least they accept the ending as ending even though they dont like it. you look at it and say... ahh.. i know you didnt mean it, you are going to make it right later. i find that condescending.

[Vahilor]

waldstr18 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

i did make constructive arguements.
like the possibility of only the red ending.
idt too well hidden for the common gamer.
pretentiousness to say bioware gave us half a game.

So maybe YOU can answer my previous question about this situation when only red ending is available... "how is this scene with child and his grandpa(?) possible, if someone had low EMS and every organic and synthetic life got deystoyed and of course if IT is false?"

admitting the only destroy ending is my weakes arguement, i dont see the problem there. is really all organic life destroyed with low ems? i never heard that. i know about earth being destroyed, but not all organic life. synthetic - yes, organic - i dont think so.

could someone with more background knowledge confirm that, please.

Hmm that's actually how do I interpret the fact that No one gets off the Normandy...

id interpret that as your crew not surviing, not all organic life.

But old man and the little Brat are on the planet your crew crashes on.. .. no one getting out of the Normandy.. no one on the planet.. no one able to tell Sheps story..on that planet.

[HellishFiend]

waldstr18 wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

@waldstr.18
i do personally value them, i just gave you an example why the argument "do it better then" is irrelevant in every damn discussion. whether it is polite or not to call someone out on the fact that he sucks is something completely different.

But..i do take issue with what bioware promised, and what they hve delivered. and it is my right to call them out on that. because not only did the ending suck (subjective) but it was not anywhee near to what they had promised (objective). Beacause it is an a,b,c ending. Ther are no 16 endings. my choices are all nullified by that ending and so on.

Furthermore, with it..we actually still have hope that bioware are the genius mimds we always tbought. so we are valuing them more than anyone else.

you call it valueing, i call it belittleing. i actually find the indoctrination theory worse than the retake masseffect movement. at least they accept the ending as ending even though they dont like it. you look at it and say... ahh.. i know you didnt mean it, you are going to make it right later. i find that condescending.

That's actually not what IT says. IT says "I know this was your plan all along. You're brilliant masterminds and wont let us down in the end". But I think you actually already knew that. 

[Skillz1986]

No i say, "you lied to me"...and by applying i try to smoothe things over by saying "phew...i thought you were going to lie to me there for a minute..but it is a great twist ending. wow, you really had me there for a minute)

[Earthborn_Shepard]

IT doesn't necessarily think that it was planned by Bioware, it can just be a headcanon theory.

[waldstr18]

Vahilor wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

i did make constructive arguements.
like the possibility of only the red ending.
idt too well hidden for the common gamer.
pretentiousness to say bioware gave us half a game.

So maybe YOU can answer my previous question about this situation when only red ending is available... "how is this scene with child and his grandpa(?) possible, if someone had low EMS and every organic and synthetic life got deystoyed and of course if IT is false?"

admitting the only destroy ending is my weakes arguement, i dont see the problem there. is really all organic life destroyed with low ems? i never heard that. i know about earth being destroyed, but not all organic life. synthetic - yes, organic - i dont think so.

could someone with more background knowledge confirm that, please.

Hmm that's actually how do I interpret the fact that No one gets off the Normandy...

id interpret that as your crew not surviing, not all organic life.

But old man and the little Brat are on the planet your crew crashes on.. .. no one getting out of the Normandy.. no one on the planet.. no one able to tell Sheps story..on that planet.

how do you know that? they are in a google picture, for all i know. you are certain of so many things, well, certainty is the mother of fools, ive been told. appearances are deceiving. thats all the movie quotes i can come up with at the moment.

[Vahilor]

@Waldstr.
Why is IT even worse than retake the ending ^^ ? For BW it would be easier to go with IDT than retake it ^^.

But IDT is for me the only reasonable ending if you don't makea new ending... everything else (like trying to explain bad stuff) will make it worth and pull new oil in the fire..

[waldstr18]

@hellishfiend

but isnt that the same thing. you pretend to know biowares intentions. well you dont, so you cant just say that. some of you actually dont do that, i know, they treat the theory like what it is ... a theory. but most of you treat it like its fact, which implies you believe to know what bioware is thinking.