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[spotlessvoid]

HellishFiend wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote..

You can lose most of your Krogan support if you betray Wrex. That may be the only instance of losing a war asset, though, aside from some odd minuses here and there from minor decision-making.  

Thanks, I haven't really had the interest in replaying SP until I see where Bioware ultimately goes with things, and my first play through I generally try to suspend disbelief and focus on the story. I don't analyze everything until my second play through.Pretty confident about IDT but nonetheless sticking to MP for now. Although if I wasn't working 60+ plus hours a week I'd probably be unable to not scratch that itch.

Minor effects aside, the fact that War assets can be lost means it's either a specific oversight or Bioware seems to be implying that the Citadel hasn't been completely overrun by the Reapers.

[HellishFiend]

Vahilor wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

I really doubt the extended cut will make it any better to be honest... I have little hope they will make it in a reasoable way to satisfy the fan base... and I'm not the only person.. a lot of the fan base have the same thoughts (a lot of non IT people as well).
"Artistic Integrigy" like BW tends to call it, is nothing you can afford in case of marketing, when you have an outcry as big as this one and there are a lot of books, movies and musicals that had been changed cause of much smaller outcrys and it was for the sake of the story.

Hey even BW wanted the last Mass Effect novel changed cause of plot wholes.. why do they not regard the "artistic integrigy" of the author here ?

cause as far as i have heard, and im really talking out of my ass here, there were actual factual errors in the book.

as for the game, what factual errors are in there, which cant be explained by some creative thinking? (a short list is sufficient, if you dont mind)

To name only one "Synthesis." 

Can't be explained without tweaking the whole Mass Effect univers.

I read most of the google doc about the errors in ME: Deception. It makes the problems with the ending of ME3 look like a minor outtake reel by comparison. The book was apparently written by someone who only read the back of the game cases of the mass effect games, and didnt read any of the previous books, because there are so many inconsistencies and factual errors that its almost like a reboot. 

[Skillz1986]

Factual errors:
Shepard surviving the blast on the citadel without a helmet and intact armor
shepard waking up on earth (if taken at face value) having survived reentry/a fall from space/the landing
shepard waking up on the citadel(having survived that damn blast)
Anderson beating you the console (i guess that can be solved by creative thinking...no matter how ludicrous)
Shepard bleeding/not bleeding/bleeding again and so on.

[waldstr18]

Skillz1986 wrote...

Did you just call someone in particular " not so smart?"

i have to admit someone actually comes to mind. but i dont think he is here, also i dont want to name him, since i cant be sure if he is smart or not, all i have is the opinion i formed by reading his posts towards me, but mostly towards others, which pretty much lets me believe he is not the brightes bulp in the bunch.

but im sure there are lots of others, who are even more gullable than i am, and are following the idt to death. its just how people are. i try not to be one of them, but sometimes i really find myself following something i think its right, just because i didnt look at the background more thouroughly.

peta for example. dont like them anymore, even though i am supporter of the animal rights movement, but their intentions are just crazy. (that might be a little hypocritical cause i eat meat. i just dont like caging animals or torturing them. a quick kill on the other hand i can live with.)

[Earthborn_Shepard]

yet another point of critic for the ending -

does nobody care that all 3 endings were just rudely copied from the original Deus Ex?

I mean..
the "Destroy" ending's idea is pretty much identical, and the other two are very, very similar.
With the difference that they fit into the Deus Ex universe, but not into that of ME.

[Vahilor]

HellishFiend wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

I really doubt the extended cut will make it any better to be honest... I have little hope they will make it in a reasoable way to satisfy the fan base... and I'm not the only person.. a lot of the fan base have the same thoughts (a lot of non IT people as well).
"Artistic Integrigy" like BW tends to call it, is nothing you can afford in case of marketing, when you have an outcry as big as this one and there are a lot of books, movies and musicals that had been changed cause of much smaller outcrys and it was for the sake of the story.

Hey even BW wanted the last Mass Effect novel changed cause of plot wholes.. why do they not regard the "artistic integrigy" of the author here ?

cause as far as i have heard, and im really talking out of my ass here, there were actual factual errors in the book.

as for the game, what factual errors are in there, which cant be explained by some creative thinking? (a short list is sufficient, if you dont mind)

To name only one "Synthesis." 

Can't be explained without tweaking the whole Mass Effect univers.

I read most of the google doc about the errors in ME: Deception. It makes the problems with the ending of ME3 look like a minor outtake reel by comparison. The book was apparently written by someone who only read the back of the game cases of the mass effect games, and didnt read any of the previous books, because there are so many inconsistencies and factual errors that its almost like a reboot. 

But if that person would have been stubborn like BW, he could have done the same and crying "My artist integrigy".. but the person can not afford it, cause the person is no big puplisher like BiowEAr.

[Ravereth]

Ravereth wrote...

BTW Am I the only one who thinks that Normandy (during this cutscene with Joker) is already far away from Earth? I'm 95% sure about this...

I compared galaxy map with this video (0:25-0:36) and here is the result:



So for me It looks like number 7 is location of our ship

Maybe some angles are wrong, but still...  

PS. I know that I've already posted this picture before, but:



COINCIDENCE of course 

Modifié par Ravereth, 24 avril 2012 - 10:42 .

[HellishFiend]

spotlessvoid wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote..

You can lose most of your Krogan support if you betray Wrex. That may be the only instance of losing a war asset, though, aside from some odd minuses here and there from minor decision-making.  

Thanks, I haven't really had the interest in replaying SP until I see where Bioware ultimately goes with things, and my first play through I generally try to suspend disbelief and focus on the story. I don't analyze everything until my second play through.Pretty confident about IDT but nonetheless sticking to MP for now. Although if I wasn't working 60+ plus hours a week I'd probably be unable to not scratch that itch.

Minor effects aside, the fact that War assets can be lost means it's either a specific oversight or Bioware seems to be implying that the Citadel hasn't been completely overrun by the Reapers.

It's possible, yes, but considering the fact that your war assets are essentially "locked" from the point you start the cerberus station mission, its concievable that your war assets simply remain static regardless of what actually happens to them. There is no way to know for sure. 

I hope you're right though, because it would be nice if there was a difference in what happens to the people on the Citadel based on all those little choices you made when dealing with the people on the station. 

[waldstr18]

Vahilor wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

I really doubt the extended cut will make it any better to be honest... I have little hope they will make it in a reasoable way to satisfy the fan base... and I'm not the only person.. a lot of the fan base have the same thoughts (a lot of non IT people as well).
"Artistic Integrigy" like BW tends to call it, is nothing you can afford in case of marketing, when you have an outcry as big as this one and there are a lot of books, movies and musicals that had been changed cause of much smaller outcrys and it was for the sake of the story.

Hey even BW wanted the last Mass Effect novel changed cause of plot wholes.. why do they not regard the "artistic integrigy" of the author here ?

cause as far as i have heard, and im really talking out of my ass here, there were actual factual errors in the book.

as for the game, what factual errors are in there, which cant be explained by some creative thinking? (a short list is sufficient, if you dont mind)

To name only one "Synthesis." 

Can't be explained without tweaking the whole Mass Effect univers.

whats there to tweak? have we ever met a transparent god child creature? how do we know what powers that boy has? how do we know that the citadel + catalyst + cruicble != space magic. and how do we know that what we call space magic isnt actual sience in the game?

there is a big green explosion and it mutates beings. just like tchernobyl mutated a lot of people. space magic or just sience? i have learned a few days ago that pretty much everything in physics is a theory. so what do we know? nothing, actually. and i know even less about a universe i didnt create. be it the mass effect one or the real one.

hmm do you think there are mutliple verses and in one of them the idt is true and in another it isnt? am i still allowed to tell you in your face if both universes exist? 

[HellishFiend]

Vahilor wrote...

But if that person would have been stubborn like BW, he could have done the same and crying "My artist integrigy".. but the person can not afford it, cause the person is no big puplisher like BiowEAr.

That, plus he didnt deliver what he was paid to deliver. He was undoubtably commissioned to author a book that could be included in Mass Effect canon, which he apparently didnt even make a serious attempt at doing. 

[Vahilor]

I think I'll give up to explain the big failure of Synthesis and Space magic in the ME Universe...

*head to desk*

[Big G13]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

IT doesn't necessarily think that it was planned by Bioware, it can just be a headcanon theory.

I have to disagree on that point. If it's headcanon theory then why are ANY of us still here? Why look for new evidence? Why call it evidence? Headcanon is something you can come up with on your own. It doesnt require a forum, pictures, or youtube videos. To me, the whole point of IT centers around the concept of it being Bioware's original intent. The "headcanon" perception issue is probably what cause most uninformed people to dismiss IT altogether. 

Well that's your opinion. But still, collecting evidence can be fun. And it can make the ending better for you, even if it was never intended.

My hope is it was intended. I'm hanging on to that till the end. If not, then it will have to be head cannon because other wise all I can say about the ending is, " not like this. not like this" (matrix reference)

You know, I have the hope that even if it was not intended they might go with it for the EC. I mean, it would be little work for them because we pretty much figured it out for them. And it would be very dangerous for them to just dismiss the theory completely, because that would launch another wave of fan rage.

Agreed. And I understand your caution. I mean, we just got kicked in the quad. The last thing I want to do is open myself up and say, 'thank you sir, can I have another.' 

If Bioware announces that IT was not planned, but goes with it anyway for the EC, my reaction will be similar to Shep's when accusing the shop owner of discrimination in ME2: "Alright... but you still hurt my feelings."

If they have any brains at all they will never admit that. Just take the idea and make it their own. I would be fine with that. I don't care who gets the credit, just fix it.

[Ravereth]

Vahilor wrote...

I think I'll give up to explain the big failure of Synthesis and Space magic in the ME Universe...

*head to desk*

Synthesis is not a thing you can comprehend!

Modifié par Ravereth, 24 avril 2012 - 10:46 .

[MadRabbit999]

I used to believe the IT was possible (Even though I wasn't 100%), but the fact that they stated , that the current endings are meant to be what they are, is proof enough to me to dismiss it.

I am not saying they sold us an unfinished game, because obviously you can complete it, but the story arch of Shepard would still be open if IT was true, and since they said they will not make a new ending, it means Shepard would be stuck on the last 5 minutes of the story forever, that doesn't make sense.

The only explenation would be that ME sequel starts from breaking free of the Indoctrination, but that cannot happen simply because, they stated Shepard story woudl conclude here, and that they will not be making games based after the events of ME3.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 24 avril 2012 - 10:50 .

[waldstr18]

Vahilor wrote...

I think I'll give up to explain the big failure of Synthesis and Space magic in the ME Universe...

*head to desk*

head to desk? isnt that provocative? just asking, i dont mind your rhetorical figurines.

but the more i think of it, if thats your actual answer to my arguementation, i think you can see why i gave up trying to explain anything in here. its again condescending. and a lot of idt followers, or people on the internet for that matter, are this way. and then they call people like me a troll? ...

well, im sorry if you dont think far enough outside of the box to come up with your own theory how synthesis could work. i have no problem, though. i think im quite creative. maybe i just become an artist instead of a troll. or maybe i can be a mixture of both!

[HellishFiend]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

I used to believe the IT was possible (Even though I wasn't 100%), but the fact that they stated , that the current endings are meant to be what they are, is proof enough to me to dismiss it.

I am not saying they sold us an unfinished game, because obviously you can complete it, but the story arch of Shepard would still be open if IT was true, and since they said they will not make a new ending, it means Shepard would be stuck on the last 5 minutes of the story forever, that doesn't make sense.

You're lucky this isnt a certain popular imageboard or for that remark you would be treated to a picture of a smug willy wonka kindly welcoming you to the topic. 

[Vahilor]

Ravereth wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

I think I'll give up to explain the big failure of Synthesis and Space magic in the ME Universe...

*head to desk*

Synthesis is not a thing you can comprehend!

I only don't wanna explain it again.... *assuming control of cookies*

[MadRabbit999]

HellishFiend wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

I used to believe the IT was possible (Even though I wasn't 100%), but the fact that they stated , that the current endings are meant to be what they are, is proof enough to me to dismiss it.

I am not saying they sold us an unfinished game, because obviously you can complete it, but the story arch of Shepard would still be open if IT was true, and since they said they will not make a new ending, it means Shepard would be stuck on the last 5 minutes of the story forever, that doesn't make sense.

You're lucky this isnt a certain popular imageboard or for that remark you would be treated to a picture of a smug willy wonka kindly welcoming you to the topic. 

/clap clap dude... check 1000 pages before.. been here since the start, and I defended IT as well as dismiss it in most cases, I took equal side unlike some obtuse people here....

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 24 avril 2012 - 10:51 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

waldstr18 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

I really doubt the extended cut will make it any better to be honest... I have little hope they will make it in a reasoable way to satisfy the fan base... and I'm not the only person.. a lot of the fan base have the same thoughts (a lot of non IT people as well).
"Artistic Integrigy" like BW tends to call it, is nothing you can afford in case of marketing, when you have an outcry as big as this one and there are a lot of books, movies and musicals that had been changed cause of much smaller outcrys and it was for the sake of the story.

Hey even BW wanted the last Mass Effect novel changed cause of plot wholes.. why do they not regard the "artistic integrigy" of the author here ?

cause as far as i have heard, and im really talking out of my ass here, there were actual factual errors in the book.

as for the game, what factual errors are in there, which cant be explained by some creative thinking? (a short list is sufficient, if you dont mind)

To name only one "Synthesis." 

Can't be explained without tweaking the whole Mass Effect univers.

whats there to tweak? have we ever met a transparent god child creature? how do we know what powers that boy has? how do we know that the citadel + catalyst + cruicble != space magic. and how do we know that what we call space magic isnt actual sience in the game?

there is a big green explosion and it mutates beings. just like tchernobyl mutated a lot of people. space magic or just sience? i have learned a few days ago that pretty much everything in physics is a theory. so what do we know? nothing, actually. and i know even less about a universe i didnt create. be it the mass effect one or the real one.

hmm do you think there are mutliple verses and in one of them the idt is true and in another it isnt? am i still allowed to tell you in your face if both universes exist? 

Chernobyl (or radiation in general) does not make people half metal (or whatever synthesis makes people). Even if we accept the ludicrius scenario that a wave of green energy could make everyone essentially half robot it is still completely outrageous to think something like that could be incoporated on the DNA level to the point where it can be passed on to the children os such persons.

It is like if someone with an implant had a child and that child was born with the same implant and the implant grew as the child grew without any outside force acting upon. There are simply some fundamental impossibilities in Synthesis which are completely absent in most of if not all other parts of the lore.

Really dont give me the "Space Magic is Science in that universe" bull because everything, or almost everything in Mass Effect has roots in firmly established theories of physics or biology, except for Synthesis.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 24 avril 2012 - 10:52 .

[Vahilor]

waldstr18 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

I think I'll give up to explain the big failure of Synthesis and Space magic in the ME Universe...

*head to desk*

head to desk? isnt that provocative? just asking, i dont mind your rhetorical figurines.

but the more i think of it, if thats your actual answer to my arguementation, i think you can see why i gave up trying to explain anything in here. its again condescending. and a lot of idt followers, or people on the internet for that matter, are this way. and then they call people like me a troll? ...

well, im sorry if you dont think far enough outside of the box to come up with your own theory how synthesis could work. i have no problem, though. i think im quite creative. maybe i just become an artist instead of a troll. or maybe i can be a mixture of both!

My big problem is.. I write myself, I draw, I draw for others and I paint miniatures for me and others and I model stuff.. and all.. alll follows a certain logic.. like a story has a logic.. and you can't mak big changes, bring up totaly new characters and totaly new concepts in the last five to 10 minutwes in a Story, Film, game, book whatever.. cause it will kill the story,.. will open plotwholes.. and synthesis and Space Magic are not fitting in a Sience based Setting..

Or would it be fitting when in the end of Lord of the Rings a spaceship land in front of frodo, take the ring and fly away ?

[Big G13]

Vahilor wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

I think I'll give up to explain the big failure of Synthesis and Space magic in the ME Universe...

*head to desk*

Synthesis is not a thing you can comprehend!

I only don't wanna explain it again.... *assuming control of cookies*

Mmmmmmm, comfort food good. :happy:

[HellishFiend]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

I used to believe the IT was possible (Even though I wasn't 100%), but the fact that they stated , that the current endings are meant to be what they are, is proof enough to me to dismiss it.

I am not saying they sold us an unfinished game, because obviously you can complete it, but the story arch of Shepard would still be open if IT was true, and since they said they will not make a new ending, it means Shepard would be stuck on the last 5 minutes of the story forever, that doesn't make sense.

You're lucky this isnt a certain popular imageboard or for that remark you would be treated to a picture of a smug willy wonka kindly welcoming you to the topic. 

/clap clap dude... check 1000 pages before.. been here since the start, and I defended IT as well as dismiss it in most cases, I took equal side unlike some obtuse people here....

Well then you're back to "new" status if you think Bioware's statements indicate a dismissal of IT. They have gone out of their way to neither confirm nor deny it. Everything they have said can be put into the context of IT, or face-value. It's intentional. They want to keep us guessing. We've known this ever since PAX....

edit: sorry, I'm being rude. I apologize. It's late for me and I should get some sleep. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 24 avril 2012 - 10:57 .

[waldstr18]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

I really doubt the extended cut will make it any better to be honest... I have little hope they will make it in a reasoable way to satisfy the fan base... and I'm not the only person.. a lot of the fan base have the same thoughts (a lot of non IT people as well).
"Artistic Integrigy" like BW tends to call it, is nothing you can afford in case of marketing, when you have an outcry as big as this one and there are a lot of books, movies and musicals that had been changed cause of much smaller outcrys and it was for the sake of the story.

Hey even BW wanted the last Mass Effect novel changed cause of plot wholes.. why do they not regard the "artistic integrigy" of the author here ?

cause as far as i have heard, and im really talking out of my ass here, there were actual factual errors in the book.

as for the game, what factual errors are in there, which cant be explained by some creative thinking? (a short list is sufficient, if you dont mind)

To name only one "Synthesis." 

Can't be explained without tweaking the whole Mass Effect univers.

whats there to tweak? have we ever met a transparent god child creature? how do we know what powers that boy has? how do we know that the citadel + catalyst + cruicble != space magic. and how do we know that what we call space magic isnt actual sience in the game?

there is a big green explosion and it mutates beings. just like tchernobyl mutated a lot of people. space magic or just sience? i have learned a few days ago that pretty much everything in physics is a theory. so what do we know? nothing, actually. and i know even less about a universe i didnt create. be it the mass effect one or the real one.

hmm do you think there are mutliple verses and in one of them the idt is true and in another it isnt? am i still allowed to tell you in your face if both universes exist? 

Chernobyl (or radiation in general) does not make people half metal (or whatever synthesis makes people). Even if we accept the ludicrius scenario that a wave of green energy could make everyone essentially half robot it is still completely outrageous to think something like that could be incoporated on the DNA level to the point where it can be passed on to the children os such persons.

It is like if someone with an implant had a child and that child was born with the same implant and the implant grew as the child grew without any outside force acting upon. There are simply some fundamental impossibilities in Synthesis which are completely absent in most of if not all other parts of the lore.

Really dont give me the "Space Magic is Science in that universe" bull because everything, or almost everything in Mass Effect has roots in firmly established theories of physics or biology, except for Synthesis.

who says something about implants or metal for that matter? the kid said new framework. if you remember the geth mind thingy we saw as hologram on the normandy, looked like a living thing but was synthetic.

what im trying to say, the farther you step back, the easier it gets to explain things. also since we have seen the geth/living thing brain, i call synthesis established!

please dont bite my head off... again.

[Skillz1986]

I just take serious issue with what they have advertised, and what they actually delivered. if i go to a restaurant which has been advertising for weeks, that they're going to have the best god damn steak (i fu**ing love steak liara) in the world. i sure expect to at least get some steak..maybe not the best in th world since advertisements tend to exegerate at times..but adecent steak. now i have a reservation at said restaurant which i have paid extra money for (pre order). I've been eating there for years..and the steak was delicious..and they told me "well the advertised one is even better". I order it, and get a...hamburger? That's not what i paid for...there's more coming right?

It's the same thing with me3's ending at least..they have promised so much and have only delivered..well...this

[Earthborn_Shepard]

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Modifié par Earthborn_Shepard, 24 avril 2012 - 10:56 .