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[Raistlin Majare 1992]

waldstr18 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Auch man, auch the stupidity of that litterally hurts.

Okay here we go.

1: "Even you are part Synthetic" quote from mister Star brat, while not a direct "You are going to die" quote when you consider he just declared doom upon all Synthetic life should you choose destroy it is pretty clear that the implication is that Shepard is going to die in the Destroy ending killed by the same wave that kills the Reapers. Yet he dosent. Explain!

2: Did you even watch the ending? There is a massive fireball the length of the Citadel which originates near the Crucible connection point where Shepard is and can be seen tearing of the arms of the Citadel, you know the Qauntum shielded material! If it is only energy it would not be destroying solid material, stupid or rather if the energy output was high enough to destroy solid material you can be damn sure Shepard is nothing but cosmic dust right now after beeing at ground zero of it!

3: The Citadel is blowing up and you think there is still any energy at all beeing rerouted to keep a functioning Mass Effect field in the area? Also considering the crucible is not quantum shielded material it is a safe bet there is o Crucible after the explosion mentioned above.

4: Gezz not this **** again. I wont start another discussion on wether he is on the Citadel or not though, I am frustrated enough by the complete ignorance and lack of knowledge on display here.

5: Marauder Shields shoots Shepard through the shoulder. Had his kinetic barrier still been active it would have taken the shot. Come on that is so simple it practically hurts.

1. he killed the synthetic part inside you. looks like you managed to live without sythetic parts.
2. again, ive seen people live through worse. especially heroes.
3. its been a while, did the whole citadel explode? i really dont know, but even if, maybe the part where sheppards on, the shield was still in tact some how.
4. then dont.
5. good point. like i said, i have no idead how the kinetic thingy works, but it doesnt really matter, like i said.

oh, and to make you even more mad: maybe shepard got a second chance from the space child because of the high ems. or what if it wasnt shepard but the space child in shepards body and if mass effect continues it will be the bad guy, just like in diablo 2!

i could come up with explanations all day. you cant proof none of them wrong, no matter how ridiculous they are.

Yeah people live through worse...in anime and fantasy among others <_<

But this is neither! This is Science Fiction! Facts sorrounding that explosion is that tore apart Quantum Shielded Material.

Even the strongest ship in the  Council Fleet could bombard the Citadel for days and cause minimal damage. We are talking shots with a yield far larger han the atomic bomb dropped upon Hiroshima and yet they barely scratch the Citadels material.

This material is torn apart by one massive explosion of which Shepard is close to ground zero of. By cliaming Shepard could survive you are claiming Shepard could without any additional protection survive what equals many thousand times a atomic bomb like the one dropped on Hiroshima.

[MaximizedAction]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

There actually is a google doc about It, though some of the evidence in it is kind of deprecated.

Yeah, but it's kinda TL;DR for most people who are just 'dropping by' to ask us about IT.
Same goes for that blog page someone here created (anyone got the link, please).

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 24 avril 2012 - 12:06 .

[waldstr18]

if a bomb explodes inside the enterprise it would be destroyed. if a bomb explodes outside of it, the shields would take care of it.

[Skillz1986]

And now you've just burried yourself waldstr.18...since that explosion comes from within.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

waldstr18 wrote...

if a bomb explodes inside the enterprise it would be destroyed. if a bomb explodes outside of it, the shields would take care of it.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

Facts about the explosion is:

A: It can rip apart the material the Citadel is made of.
B: Shepard is near Ground Zero for the explosion.
C: Shepard is not even in the Citadel but on the outside parts with no walls shielding him and probably only Mass Effect fields keeping the air and heat from flowing out. He has no cover from the explosion, at all.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 24 avril 2012 - 12:14 .

[waldstr18]

Skillz1986 wrote...

And now you've just burried yourself waldstr.18...since that explosion comes from within.

doesnt the one from the citadel? if not, where is it coming from? the cruicible is part of the citadel, since its obvioulsy connected.

sheppard can breath where he is, so the shields have to be up and surrounding the part where crucible and citadel lock into each other. therefor the explosion come from within, just like my enterprise bomb.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Arian Dynas wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Arian,

I'd wondered about the Citadel situation myself. I couldn't figure why the Reapers didn't mass on it after arriving in Batarian space. Even with the Citadel fleet they'd like walk through it like they do everything. From there they can eliminate most galactic leadership and proceed as they normally do when starting a cycle.

Another thing, The Destiny Ascension is the flagship for the Citadel fleet, if the Reapers sacked the Citadel it obviously made it out of the battle as you see it in the final fleet battle for Earth but nothing is mentioned over a battle for the Citadel aside from quick quotes from Anderson and Hackett.

And another thing, you retain your Citadel defense force war asset for the battle, wouldn't that mean C-sec and the defense force are still fighting even though it's been captured?

There really is only one logical answer imo.

We were played.

The Crucible is a lie, a trap designed by the Reapers.

If thats the case, shouldn't we be getting more than just a clarification DLC. thats quite a big story point to be done with in a (presumably) small DLC. Not that I don't want it to be, everything about the crucible smells wrong.

[HellishFiend]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

There actually is a google doc about It, though some of the evidence in it is kind of deprecated.

Yeah, but it's kinda TL;DR for most people who are just 'dropping by' to ask us about IT.
Same goes for that blog page someone here created (anyone got the link, please).

Yeah, the existing information is all too comprehensive and wordy to be effective at reaching everybody. 

I think this is the blog you were referring to:
http://parabolee.blogspot.com/ 

We could link people to that and many would never get past the introduction. 

[Big G13]

[quote]MaximizedAction wrote...

[quote]Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

There actually is a google doc about It, though some of the evidence in it is kind of deprecated.[/quote]

Yeah, but it's kinda TL;DR for most people who are just 'dropping by' to ask us about IT.
Same goes for that blog page someone here created (anyone got the link, please).

[/quote        http://parabolee.blogspot.com/      I think this is what you're looking for.

Modifié par Big G13, 24 avril 2012 - 12:12 .

[Vahilor]

waldstr18 wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

And now you've just burried yourself waldstr.18...since that explosion comes from within.

doesnt the one from the citadel? if not, where is it coming from? the cruicible is part of the citadel, since its obvioulsy connected.

sheppard can breath where he is, so the shields have to be up and surrounding the part where crucible and citadel lock into each other. therefor the explosion come from within, just like my enterprise bomb.

Cause you allways state the shields would take care of the explosion.. but the explosion comes from within.. no shields there to take care for, cause if there were shields were Shep is, there would be no explosion coming out when we take your logic.

Modifié par Vahilor, 24 avril 2012 - 12:14 .

[waldstr18]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

if a bomb explodes inside the enterprise it would be destroyed. if a bomb explodes outside of it, the shields would take care of it.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

Facts about the explosion is:

A: It can rip apart the material the Citadel is made of.
B: Shepard is near Ground Zero for the explosion.
C: Shepard is not even in the Citadel but on the outside parts with no walls shielding him and probably only Mass Effect fields keeping the air and heat from flowing out. He has no cover from the explosion, at all.

when cerberus visited the citadel, they managed to destroy parts of it. so i dont think there is that much explosive power needed. and what i meant was, the shields protect the citadel from outside attacks. the inside itself isnt shielded. just like an egg. the inside is all jelly. (also flunked biology).

[MaximizedAction]

YES! Thanks, that's indeed the page I was looking for:

parabolee.blogspot.de/

[HellishFiend]

pirate1802 wrote...

If thats the case, shouldn't we be getting more than just a clarification DLC. thats quite a big story point to be done with in a (presumably) small DLC. Not that I don't want it to be, everything about the crucible smells wrong.

"Clarification DLC" is your words, not theirs. This is the key line right here:


BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. 


Let's assume for a second that IT is true. What would we be getting in a DLC? Scenes that pick up after Shepard wakes up in the rubble on London, right? How might I word that if I were Bioware and didnt want to give away whether or not IT is true? I might say something like we'll be "expanding" on the "existing ending sequences".

[waldstr18]

Vahilor wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

And now you've just burried yourself waldstr.18...since that explosion comes from within.

doesnt the one from the citadel? if not, where is it coming from? the cruicible is part of the citadel, since its obvioulsy connected.

sheppard can breath where he is, so the shields have to be up and surrounding the part where crucible and citadel lock into each other. therefor the explosion come from within, just like my enterprise bomb.

Cause you allways state the shields would take care of the explosion.. but the explosion comes from within.. no shields there to take care for, cause if there were shields were Shep is, there would be no explosion coming out when we take your logic.

didnt i just say that? what that means is, that the explosion doesnt have to be as strong as some of you suggest. just enough to destory the metal the citadel is made of as the idt states.

ergo its not so far fetched that shepard could survive the blast.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

waldstr18 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

if a bomb explodes inside the enterprise it would be destroyed. if a bomb explodes outside of it, the shields would take care of it.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

Facts about the explosion is:

A: It can rip apart the material the Citadel is made of.
B: Shepard is near Ground Zero for the explosion.
C: Shepard is not even in the Citadel but on the outside parts with no walls shielding him and probably only Mass Effect fields keeping the air and heat from flowing out. He has no cover from the explosion, at all.

when cerberus visited the citadel, they managed to destroy parts of it. so i dont think there is that much explosive power needed. and what i meant was, the shields protect the citadel from outside attacks. the inside itself isnt shielded. just like an egg. the inside is all jelly. (also flunked biology).

No what Cerberus damaged was the houses made inside the Presidium, houses made by those who live there.

Also the "shield" the Citadel has lies in the Material itself. It is not a shield in the traditional sense, but a way to harden the material. No matter where the explosion came from the material is a as strong as ever and in this case gets torn apart.

[estebanus]

waldstr18 wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

And now you've just burried yourself waldstr.18...since that explosion comes from within.

doesnt the one from the citadel? if not, where is it coming from? the cruicible is part of the citadel, since its obvioulsy connected.

sheppard can breath where he is, so the shields have to be up and surrounding the part where crucible and citadel lock into each other. therefor the explosion come from within, just like my enterprise bomb.

Not shields, but mass effect fields!

Mass effect fields keep in the oxygen, however they are NOT kinetic barriers, which means they can't protect anything from an explosion!

[Skillz1986]

I do not quite understand what you are trying to say.
What i am trying to get across however is this.

Let's assume, there are shields present somehow. shepard is inside that envelop. that won't help him a bit. because:
-he initiates that explosion. he is in the epicentre of o it. the shield surrounding the area will not protect him. maybe if the explosion happened outside of that envelop..they might have. but that not what happened
-the shield would make that explosion even worse, since they maintain pressure and oxygen. given the radius cobered by the explosion..this thing had even more detonating force then the hiroshima bomb. and since the shields are maintainig pressure and oxygen, it can even be measured by these standards.

If the shield are not present however, shepad would suffocate due to vacuum exposure.

So there really is no way shepad could have survived that incident. right now, you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

[waldstr18]

really? is that stated in the codex? cause the codex also stated that the reapers are a myth in me2. and since physics are theories, what do they know how the citadel actually works.

edit: im talking about the citadel materials.

Modifié par waldstr18, 24 avril 2012 - 12:21 .

[estebanus]

HellishFiend wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

If thats the case, shouldn't we be getting more than just a clarification DLC. thats quite a big story point to be done with in a (presumably) small DLC. Not that I don't want it to be, everything about the crucible smells wrong.

"Clarification DLC" is your words, not theirs. This is the key line right here:


BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. 


Let's assume for a second that IT is true. What would we be getting in a DLC? Scenes that pick up after Shepard wakes up in the rubble on London, right? How might I word that if I were Bioware and didnt want to give away whether or not IT is true? I might say something like we'll be "expanding" on the "existing ending sequences".

Nor only that, but Arian Dynas actually wrote a good story about how one can fit the IT into merely cutscenes!

[Vahilor]

Skillz1986 wrote...

I do not quite understand what you are trying to say.
What i am trying to get across however is this.

Let's assume, there are shields present somehow. shepard is inside that envelop. that won't help him a bit. because:
-he initiates that explosion. he is in the epicentre of o it. the shield surrounding the area will not protect him. maybe if the explosion happened outside of that envelop..they might have. but that not what happened
-the shield would make that explosion even worse, since they maintain pressure and oxygen. given the radius cobered by the explosion..this thing had even more detonating force then the hiroshima bomb. and since the shields are maintainig pressure and oxygen, it can even be measured by these standards.

If the shield are not present however, shepad would suffocate due to vacuum exposure.

So there really is no way shepad could have survived that incident. right now, you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Thx, that is what I wanted to say ^^

[estebanus]

From the codex on mass effect fields:

"Mass effect fields are created through the use of element zero. Element zero can increase or decrease the mass content of space-time when subjected to an electrical current via dark energy. With a positive current, mass is increased. With a negative current, mass is decreased. The stronger the current, the greater the magnitude of the dark energy mass effect.

In space, low-mass fields allow FTL travel and inexpensive surface-to-orbit transit. High-mass fields create artificial gravity and push space debris away from starships. In manufacturing, low-mass fields permit the creation of evenly-blended alloys, while high mass compaction creates dense, sturdy construction materials.

The military makes extensive use of mobility enhancing technologies, with mass effect-utilizing fighting vehicles being standard front-line issue in most military forces. The Mako's small element zero core can reduce the vehicle's mass enough to allow a safe drop from the Normandy. Mass effect fields are also essential in the creation of shields to protect against enemy fire on the ground, and protect starships in planetary orbit or during space battles.

Many biotics can also use mass effect fields which are biologically generated and controlled. This requires intensive training, and cybernetic implants, but can produce impressive offensive or defensive effects. Some biotics' talents are not strong enough to be offensively viable, but all biotics are sensitive to the presence of mass effect fields.

However, the use of mass effect fields creates static electrical charge. In starship drive cores, this charge must be grounded at regular intervals, either by touching a planet surface or interacting with a planet's geomagnetic field, to prevent the electricity discharging into the hull and causing catastrophic damage. For biotics, this manifests as an occasional static shock when they touch metal or other people."

From the codex on kinetic barriers:

"Kinetic barriers, colloquially called "shields", provide protection against most mass accelerator weapons. Whether on a starship or a soldier's suit of armor, the basic principle remains the same.

Kinetic barriers are repulsive mass effect fields projected from tiny emitters. These shields safely deflect small objects traveling at rapid velocities. This affords protection from bullets and other dangerous projectiles, but still allows the user to sit down without knocking away their chair.

The shielding afforded by kinetic barriers does not protect against extremes of temperature, toxins, or radiation. "

Get it? kinetic barriers are repulsive mass Effect fields! But They do NOT protect against oxygen loss!

Modifié par estebanus, 24 avril 2012 - 12:26 .

[waldstr18]

Vahilor wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

I do not quite understand what you are trying to say.
What i am trying to get across however is this.

Let's assume, there are shields present somehow. shepard is inside that envelop. that won't help him a bit. because:
-he initiates that explosion. he is in the epicentre of o it. the shield surrounding the area will not protect him. maybe if the explosion happened outside of that envelop..they might have. but that not what happened
-the shield would make that explosion even worse, since they maintain pressure and oxygen. given the radius cobered by the explosion..this thing had even more detonating force then the hiroshima bomb. and since the shields are maintainig pressure and oxygen, it can even be measured by these standards.

If the shield are not present however, shepad would suffocate due to vacuum exposure.

So there really is no way shepad could have survived that incident. right now, you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Thx, that is what I wanted to say ^^

i did say that my own self. i told you i can make up explanations all day.

for example the explosion shepard caused might just be the first one in a chain reaction, and while being to so strong as the other one, might have hit shepard back to where he ment the star child, then the strong explosion, which destroyes the citadel, might have destroyed some small part of the citadel next to shepard covering him with it, so he was protected from the rest of the strong explosion.

point im trying to make. you call it space magic, but i will always find some way to explain it. no matter how ridiculous, you cant proof me wrong until the dlc is released. just like i cant proof your theory wrong until then.

i strongly believe bioware will find a way to explain all your space magic issues easily. cause the things they make up are the things being true in the end.

[Vahilor]

Have to go guys.. Hold the line ^^

[waldstr18]

can i also excuse myself finally, without being accused of leaving the discussion because im losing?

[Skillz1986]

As i said. you are arguing for the sake of just keepimg to argue. which is at best childish. i don't assume you're stupid so even you have to admit it. you are totally missing the point of an argument. it is not coming up with ridiculous explanations but comparing reasonable...opposing explanations in order to come to some form of agreement. be it a compromise or an agreement to disagree. what you are doing right now cannot be backed up by anything but immagintion (very bad immagination at that). While the things we claim can. and he have backed them up.