If thats the case, shouldn't we be getting more than just a clarification DLC. thats quite a big story point to be done with in a (presumably) small DLC. Not that I don't want it to be, everything about the crucible smells wrong.
"Clarification DLC" is your words, not theirs. This is the key line right here:
BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences.
Let's assume for a second that IT is true. What would we be getting in a DLC? Scenes that pick up after Shepard wakes up in the rubble on London, right? How might I word that if I were Bioware and didnt want to give away whether or not IT is true? I might say something like we'll be "expanding" on the "existing ending sequences".
Nor only that, but Arian Dynas actually wrote a good story about how one can fit the IT into merely cutscenes!
Yeah I understand that IT ending can be played out with mere cutscenes, I've read his work and I agree. I was referring to the scenario where the crucible is a trap too, but moving on; Didn't Garrus met with a fatal incident in his recruitment in ME2 and was "rebuilt" like shepard (not to that extent but still). So he may have some synthetics inside him and should die according to starchild loic but he walks out just fine!
Here is the turned mako that we see in the breath scene! min 8.46 PS:playing now and noticing new things... when TIM appears with "Oily shadows" around your vision this is the dialogue: Anderson:"urgh, They are controlling you (speaking of TIM, but looking Shep)" TIM:" I don't think so, Admiral." Shepard:"Controlling me is a lot different than controlling a reaper." ok, now, WHO is speaking to WHO??
BTW, the Citadel doesn't have kinetic barriers (to my knowledge). It has mass effect fields to keep some air, and it has quantum shielding.
Quantum shielding is found only on the Citadel itself, and the Mass Relays. It protects the structure itself, not people on it or around it like a kinetic barrier. It's also far more powerful. A hydrogen bomb is unlikely to make a dent. The flip side is that a quantum shielded object can have only limited interaction with the outside world--err, galaxy. Reapers themselves don't have quantum shielding because it would protect us from them as much as the other way around. It's only good for things like the Citadel and mass relays, things you want to be virtually invincible but not all that active.
Clarifying. I miss the points brought up by people like griffin and epyon. their arguments made sense and took effort on their part to create and defend.
Also they were polite and respectful so long as people were the same to them.
Here is the turned mako that we see in the breath scene! min 8.46 PS:playing now and noticing new things... when TIM appears with "Oily shadows" around your vision this is the dialogue: Anderson:"urgh, They are controlling you (speaking of TIM, but looking Shep)" TIM:" I don't think so, Admiral." Shepard:"Controlling me is a lot different than controlling a reaper." ok, now, WHO is speaking to WHO??
To my knowledge there is no mako i nthe breath scene, there is a video explaining piece by piece the breath scene being made by part of the citadel as opposed to London.
And regarding the conversation: Both Shepard and Anderson cannot move or turn their heads much that is why they are lookign at the wrong peopel when speaking.
Also Tim is referring to the fact that he can control Shepard and Anderson, so by his logic, he can control the Reapers. and so Shepard goes "No, controllibng a reaper is not as easy as controling me"
@madrabbit
the one who provided the video explaining the rubble being on the citadel is actually an active participant in this thread. he provided the brightened version of the picture in which one it supporter also pointed out..piece by piece..why it is on earth. get yout facts right.
Regarding the possibility of Shepard surviving the Citadel explosion:
It is a well known fact that the only object that can adequately shield a person from a nuclear-sized explosion is a an early 20th century icebox. While it is possible that the citizens of the Citadel are hiding such an icebox in the same place they're keeping the concrete, this seems highly implausible at best. And even if this icebox was somewhere on the Citadel, Shepard would not have had time to find this device, climb inside it and activate the nigh-impenetrable sealing mechanism. Therefore, I can declare with confidence that Shepard would have been vaporized by the explosion.
Here is the turned mako that we see in the breath scene! min 8.46 PS:playing now and noticing new things... when TIM appears with "Oily shadows" around your vision this is the dialogue: Anderson:"urgh, They are controlling you (speaking of TIM, but looking Shep)" TIM:" I don't think so, Admiral." Shepard:"Controlling me is a lot different than controlling a reaper." ok, now, WHO is speaking to WHO??
To my knowledge there is no mako i nthe breath scene, there is a video explaining piece by piece the breath scene being made by part of the citadel as opposed to London.
And regarding the conversation: Both Shepard and Anderson cannot move or turn their heads much that is why they are lookign at the wrong peopel when speaking.
Also Tim is referring to the fact that he can control Shepard and Anderson, so by his logic, he can control the Reapers. and so Shepard goes "No, controllibng a reaper is not as easy as controling me"
That video may have been made by Epyon? And the Mako was found after the video and can only reaslly be seen if you tweak the brightness.
Literally...fine. I'm fine with that as an explanation.
And what does TIM say to that? "Have a little faith". The words and tone of voice do NOT match the scene at all. if he's referring to the biotics then why not simply "I already am"? The scene matches IT far more than the literal interpretation.
Also if you choose the renegade option in that convo Shep asks why TIM doesn't just do his control plan and TIM says it's because "I need you to believe!". Again, literaly, this makes zero sense, since the game goes out of it's way to point out that TIM doesn't hold Shep in high esteem any more.
Plus, of course, the dream whispers in the background of the entire scene And the odd camera shot of Shepards wound after Anderson dies. And the crucible drums beating when TIM first appears. And Hackett apparently knowing that SHep is on the citadel.
You'll note the same, although faint, sound effects from the dreams which are later interupted by Anderson bringing back attention to the real world. Also, there is no visual evidence that Shepard hit his head- his neck, if anything, would have been strained. Continuing, given the synchronization of his movements, it hints at more of a confused state than simply being in pain.
Of course, this could simply be a reaction to nearly losing conciousness. For me, (I was actually just looking over the scene again for the heck of it), it was more of a "huh, that's odd" moment.
Narratively speaking, such little tidbits are often used and then brought up again toward the end of the story to show just how subtle the author(s) were at developing a plot device.
It puts the post on the next page for critical analysis. Foreshadowing or headache? That is the qustion.
For the plot device thing, when the kid is in the vent you hear distinctly " An End Once And For All" theme, the ending theme... and that reaper's growl when you look back in to the empty vent, pretty telling I think!
@madrabbit the one who provided the video explaining the rubble being on the citadel is actually an active participant in this thread. he provided the brightened version of the picture in which one it supporter also pointed out..piece by piece..why it is on earth. get yout facts right.
Yeah... I got my facts right, I just wish I could find that video, which was a whole huge thread about it, comparing cables from the Citadel and cables from london, rubbles from the Citadel, and rubles from London. It was as clear as daylight that it was not London. There was even a whole chunk of rubble 100% clear that is from the crucible. So either YOU get your facts right and stop putting the IT glasses on, or we will have to agree and disagree on this.
@madrabbit the one who provided the video explaining the rubble being on the citadel is actually an active participant in this thread. he provided the brightened version of the picture in which one it supporter also pointed out..piece by piece..why it is on earth. get yout facts right.
Yeah... I got my facts right, I just wish I could find that video, which was a whole huge thread about it, comparing cables from the Citadel and cables from london, rubbles from the Citadel, and rubles from London. It was as clear as daylight that it was not London. There was even a whole chunk of rubble 100% clear that is from the crucible. So either YOU get your facts right and stop putting the IT glasses on, or we will have to agree and disagree on this.
I've seen this video and it's no where near conclusive. Like I said I think it was made by Epyon, who's in this discussion a lot, and he'd agree that neither side has any conclusive evidence on this issue. Besides which, the video was made before we (including Epyon) had analysed the enhanced brightness version on this thread.
@madrabbit the one who provided the video explaining the rubble being on the citadel is actually an active participant in this thread. he provided the brightened version of the picture in which one it supporter also pointed out..piece by piece..why it is on earth. get yout facts right.
Yeah... I got my facts right, I just wish I could find that video, which was a whole huge thread about it, comparing cables from the Citadel and cables from london, rubbles from the Citadel, and rubles from London. It was as clear as daylight that it was not London. There was even a whole chunk of rubble 100% clear that is from the crucible. So either YOU get your facts right and stop putting the IT glasses on, or we will have to agree and disagree on this.
Yeah i saw your video and i do not agree with your assesment at all. First of the cables look very little alike and considering how close we were to Reaper tech in London those cables can just as easily have been from there.
Also it is concrete, really it is. i have seen picture comparsions of the concrete in the scene and the concrete in london, same color, same lines. So far no one has been able to show me even one piece of concrete from the Citadel, not one piece.
Yeah... I got my facts right, I just wish I could find that video, which was a whole huge thread about it, comparing cables from the Citadel and cables from london, rubbles from the Citadel, and rubles from London. It was as clear as daylight that it was not London. There was even a whole chunk of rubble 100% clear that is from the crucible. So either YOU get your facts right and stop putting the IT glasses on, or we will have to agree and disagree on this.
Things that will not survive being at ground zero of a thermonuclear explosion.
I just finished the game for the third time now with the destroy ending. And every time different people steping out of the Normandy. For me it's now completly certain, that that scene shows just random squaddies. No matter if they were with you in the final push.
I just finished the game for the third time now with the destroy ending. And every time different people steping out of the Normandy. For me it's now completly certain, that that scene shows just random squaddies. No matter if they were with you in the final push.
Are those two maybe the characters that got your most attention during gameplay? I.e. took the most time on missions, talked to them the most.
Here is the turned mako that we see in the breath scene! min 8.46 PS:playing now and noticing new things... when TIM appears with "Oily shadows" around your vision this is the dialogue: Anderson:"urgh, They are controlling you (speaking of TIM, but looking Shep)" TIM:" I don't think so, Admiral." Shepard:"Controlling me is a lot different than controlling a reaper." ok, now, WHO is speaking to WHO??
To my knowledge there is no mako i nthe breath scene, there is a video explaining piece by piece the breath scene being made by part of the citadel as opposed to London.
And regarding the conversation: Both Shepard and Anderson cannot move or turn their heads much that is why they are lookign at the wrong peopel when speaking.
Also Tim is referring to the fact that he can control Shepard and Anderson, so by his logic, he can control the Reapers. and so Shepard goes "No, controllibng a reaper is not as easy as controling me"
That video may have been made by Epyon? And the Mako was found after the video and can only reaslly be seen if you tweak the brightness.
Literally...fine. I'm fine with that as an explanation.
And what does TIM say to that? "Have a little faith". The words and tone of voice do NOT match the scene at all. if he's referring to the biotics then why not simply "I already am"? The scene matches IT far more than the literal interpretation.
Also if you choose the renegade option in that convo Shep asks why TIM doesn't just do his control plan and TIM says it's because "I need you to believe!". Again, literaly, this makes zero sense, since the game goes out of it's way to point out that TIM doesn't hold Shep in high esteem any more.
Plus, of course, the dream whispers in the background of the entire scene And the odd camera shot of Shepards wound after Anderson dies. And the crucible drums beating when TIM first appears. And Hackett apparently knowing that SHep is on the citadel.
You do realise the dude who made the IT video heavily edited the scene by adding reaper sounds, whispers and a fake blue light at the breathing scene right? I used t obeleive in him until they pointed out these FACTS.... why would he need to temper with the original proofs if he was so convinced it was true?
I am a strong beleiver that it was the Marourder that shot shepard.... I got tons of friends beside me at work that beleive the exact same thing, he recoils from being shot, it;s a gameplay animation of a videogame, this is not a movie where you have to get everything perfect to make sense, so to me he did get shot in the stomach, the blood is a giant 2D splatter that starts somewhere in front of him, so it doesn;t have to be accurate.
I could start throwing plotholes of a higher caliber from all over the series... like the 1m1 which had been on the Citadel since ME1, or the fact that everything is written i nenglish, when we all know in the Milky way everybody speaks galactic.
Also do not turn poor writing into "why does he says that, it;s a clue!!!!" if you had read some of the ME comics, you;d find in a lot of cases the dialogues to be very poor, and cliché, and that's what I think the TIM dialogue sounds like.
See Total Recall and Inception, both movies have achieved to give you that idea in your mind "Did he, or did he not" "THE END" if ME wanted to do the same it would have been clearer to spot in the narrative.. and not by goign int othe game files, breaking things to pieces to find the truth.. this is not the Davinci code, but is meant to be narrative.
I am a strong beleiver that it was the Marourder that shot shepard.... I got tons of friends beside me at work that beleive the exact same thing, he recoils from being shot, it;s a gameplay animation of a videogame, this is not a movie where you have to get everything perfect to make sense, so to me he did get shot in the stomach, the blood is a giant 2D splatter that starts somewhere in front of him, so it doesn;t have to be accurate.
I love this blatantly self-serving hypocrisy. You look at some rubble and claim it's conclusive proof Shepard is waking up on the Citadel/Crucible without trying to explain how he survived the 100+ kiloton explosion, then turn around and dismiss a shoulder wound bleeding from the stomach because "it's just an animation in a video game".
I just finished the game for the third time now with the destroy ending. And every time different people steping out of the Normandy. For me it's now completly certain, that that scene shows just random squaddies. No matter if they were with you in the final push.
I allways had yavik and m LI step out of the Normandy and a lot of people had also allway one of the persons stepping out to be the LI. Yavik in my case was one of the charactes I talked most too and I never had him With me on the end misson.
I am a strong beleiver that it was the Marourder that shot shepard.... I got tons of friends beside me at work that beleive the exact same thing, he recoils from being shot, it;s a gameplay animation of a videogame, this is not a movie where you have to get everything perfect to make sense, so to me he did get shot in the stomach, the blood is a giant 2D splatter that starts somewhere in front of him, so it doesn;t have to be accurate.
I love this blatantly self-serving hypocrisy. You look at some rubble and claim it's conclusive proof Shepard is waking up on the Citadel/Crucible without trying to explain how he survived the 100+ kiloton explosion, then turn around and dismiss a shoulder wound bleeding from the stomach because "it's just an animation in a video game".
No, we're not laughing with you.
Well right now you are laughing by yourself dude, well done.
Ah right... because Shepard surviving the direct blast from a reaper who can cut like butter through SPACE CRUISERS makes sense?
I just finished the game for the third time now with the destroy ending. And every time different people steping out of the Normandy. For me it's now completly certain, that that scene shows just random squaddies. No matter if they were with you in the final push.
I allways had yavik and m LI step out of the Normandy and a lot of people had also allway one of the persons stepping out to be the LI. Yavik in my case was one of the charactes I talked most too and I never had him With me on the end misson.
Well there it is then. The final scene represents Shepard's hope that her closest friends are fine and live happily ever after in paradise. That's the way Shepards (and I) would probably want them to. The happy ending, if you wish, for your best friends.
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I just finished the game for the third time now with the destroy ending. And every time different people steping out of the Normandy. For me it's now completly certain, that that scene shows just random squaddies. No matter if they were with you in the final push.
I allways had yavik and m LI step out of the Normandy and a lot of people had also allway one of the persons stepping out to be the LI. Yavik in my case was one of the charactes I talked most too and I never had him With me on the end misson.
yeah its allways one of my squadmated that was down on earth plus my LI.
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And the odd camera shot of Shepards wound after Anderson dies. And the crucible drums beating when TIM first appears. And Hackett apparently knowing that SHep is on the citadel.
