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[Vahilor]

Rifneno wrote...

Well right now you are laughing by yourself dude, well done.

Ah right... because Shepard surviving the direct blast fro ma reaper who can cut like butter through SPACE CRUISERS makes sense?

Keep laughing by yourself.. it suits you.

I like how you avoided trying to explain your hypocrisy.

Regardless, if you paid attention to the ending that much you'd know the beam didn't hit him. The scene cuts away before it does.

Becaeful he will tell you this is also bad animation.

[MadRabbit999]

Rifneno wrote...

Well right now you are laughing by yourself dude, well done.

Ah right... because Shepard surviving the direct blast fro ma reaper who can cut like butter through SPACE CRUISERS makes sense?

Keep laughing by yourself.. it suits you.

I like how you avoided trying to explain your hypocrisy.

Regardless, if you paid attention to the ending that much you'd know the beam didn't hit him. The scene cuts away before it does.

Ah right.... because Harbingers is firing all the way up sees Shepard and goes "NOOOOO!!! Shepard I must not hurt you!!!!!" and stops suddenly the beam? Yes... of course...

Ok.. there has been a number of people including an unofficial twitter from a DEV, saying that the citadel has emergency mass effect fields bubbles, and so even though the blast destroyes lots of it we NEVER see it blowing up completely.

I can pull tons more of bull*** out of my hat to explain that, but I am sure you can pull even nastier stuff out of yours to counter it, so I will stop this pointless debate againts the fanatic wall here.

Didn't realise the name of the topic was "You can only post in here if you do not counter our points"

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 24 avril 2012 - 02:14 .

[Vahilor]

@MadRabbit : so in IDT it is nomsense that harbinger didn't hit shep mortaly but for a canon ending it is ok that shep stands up and crawls to the beam ? Were is your logic here ?

[SS2Dante]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

mrs.N7 wrote...

Here is the turned mako that we see in the breath scene!
min 8.46
PS:playing now and noticing new things... when TIM appears with "Oily shadows" around your vision this is the dialogue:
Anderson:"urgh, They are controlling you (speaking of TIM, but looking Shep)"
TIM:" I don't think so, Admiral."
Shepard:"Controlling me is a lot different than controlling a reaper."
ok, now, WHO is speaking to WHO??

To my knowledge there is no mako i nthe breath scene, there is a video explaining piece by piece the breath scene being made by part of the citadel as opposed to London.

And regarding the conversation: Both Shepard and Anderson cannot move or turn their heads much that is why they are lookign at the wrong peopel when speaking.

Also Tim is referring to the fact that he can control Shepard and Anderson, so by his logic, he can control the Reapers. and so Shepard goes "No, controllibng a reaper is not as easy as controling me"

That video may have been made by Epyon? And the Mako was found after the video and can only reaslly be seen if you tweak the brightness.

Literally...fine. I'm fine with that as an explanation.

And what does TIM say to that? "Have a little faith". The words and tone of voice do NOT match the scene at all. if he's referring to the biotics then why not simply "I already am"? The scene matches IT far more than the literal interpretation.

Also if you choose the renegade option in that convo Shep asks why TIM doesn't just do his control plan and TIM says it's because "I need you to believe!". Again, literaly, this makes zero sense, since the game goes out of it's way to point out that TIM doesn't hold Shep in high esteem any more.

Plus, of course, the dream whispers in the background of the entire scene  And the odd camera shot of Shepards wound after Anderson dies. And the crucible drums beating when TIM first appears. And Hackett apparently knowing that SHep is on the citadel.

You do realise the dude who made the IT video heavily edited the scene by adding reaper sounds, whispers and a fake blue light at the breathing scene right? I used t obeleive in him until they pointed out these FACTS.... why would he need to temper with the original proofs if he was so convinced it was true?

I am a strong beleiver that it was the Marourder that shot shepard.... I got tons of friends beside me at work that beleive the exact same thing, he recoils from being shot, it;s a gameplay animation of a videogame, this is not a movie where you have to get everything perfect to make sense, so to me he did get shot in the stomach, the blood is a giant 2D splatter that starts somewhere in front of him, so it doesn;t have to be accurate.

I could start throwing plotholes of a higher caliber from all over the series... like the 1m1 which had been on the Citadel since ME1, or the fact that everything is written i nenglish, when we all know in the Milky way everybody speaks galactic.

Also do not turn poor writing into "why does he says that, it;s a clue!!!!" if you had read some of the ME comics, you;d find in a lot of cases the dialogues to be very poor, and cliché, and that's what I think the TIM dialogue sounds like.

See Total Recall and Inception, both movies have achieved to give you that idea in your mind "Did he, or did he not" "THE END" if ME wanted to do the same it would have been clearer to spot in the narrative.. and not by goign int othe game files, breaking things to pieces to find the truth.. this is not the Davinci code, but is meant to be narrative.

Um...yes? That was for drama and clarity? Not one of us has ever tried to claim any of the stuff he added as evidence. Nor in fact do I believe they are meant as "fake evidence". They are added simply to show what's actually supposed to be going on, according to IT. You may have noticed a whole bunch of voiceovers that also didn't happen during the scenes, but apparently you understood not to take them as "evidence".

The animation (which they had to make for this specific scene by the way, as it's nowhere else in the game) clearly shows Shepards right shoulder being thrown backwards, which is why it always interupts your shot. Besides which, that's not what I said. I said that the most striking part is that they decide to FOCUS in on the wound (and Sheps freshly blood stained hands but ok whatever we'll chalk that down to "bad graphics" :S) and show Shepards surprise, DIRECTLY after Anderson dies. Not during the conversation, not after Hackett calls, but about one second after Admiral Anderson closes his eyes.

But this isn't bad dialogue. It's WEIRD dialogue. it doesn't fit. It's very bizarre that both these options are both exactly what the IT version of TIM would say.

The 1m1 on the Citadel is odd yes but hardly unexplainable. It's also the first example everybody uses when citing plotholes, mainly because they don't actually have others to cite

ME is not trying to do an Inception or Total Recall. Both movies specifically made the main dilemma clear. The entire point of IT is that it's supposed to convince the majority of people (aka indoctrination) until the twist is revealed. Think Fight Club, not Inception.

By the way, if ME's ending is not supposed to have an extra component then why did they think there would be lot's of speculation? If it wasn't for IT it'd simply be complaints.

EDIT - by the way, I think one of the reaons this discussion has become heated is this

"Also do not turn poor writing into "why does he says that, it;s a clue!!!!" "

If you'll look back in this thread we've have perfectly civil debates with people that disagree with us, but when someone comes in and calls us a bunch of delusional people who see what we want to see, the argument quickly turns sour. Your quote and many others imply that this is your stance.

Modifié par SS2Dante, 24 avril 2012 - 02:25 .

[MadRabbit999]

Vahilor wrote...

@MadRabbit : so in IDT it is nomsense that harbinger didn't hit shep mortaly but for a canon ending it is ok that shep stands up and crawls to the beam ? Were is your logic here ?

Do not put words in my mouth, I know you people love doing so, but that's not what I said, I said this is POOR writing... and then you pulled that nonsense about how did shepard survive? So to explained it to you, I pointed out more ABSURD things that happened before that point, which somehow "smart" people such as yourself did not question, is easy to see only what helps you to be right hm?

SS2Dante wrote...

By the way, if ME's ending is not
supposed to have an extra component then why did they think there would
be lot's of speculation? If it wasn't for IT it'd simply be complaints.

Because
they wanted peopel to speak abotu the fate of the galaxy, and if
Shepard really is dead or not, will there be war after this between
Salarians and Krogans? All this has failed because the attentions fro
mthe real speculation has been taken away due to the bad response fro
mthe endings.

I used to beleive in IT, then I realised
the maturity level of most peopel here who beleives in IT who acts like
religious fanatics who cannot seem to take anything into question and
beleives what they are told. You cannot have a rational conversation
wtih peopel like that, and I do not want to be categorized as one of them anymore.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 24 avril 2012 - 02:25 .

[llbountyhunter]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

@MadRabbit : so in IDT it is nomsense that harbinger didn't hit shep mortaly but for a canon ending it is ok that shep stands up and crawls to the beam ? Were is your logic here ?

Do not put words in my mouth, I know you people love doing so, but that's not what I said, I said this is POOR writing... and then you pulled that nonsense about how did shepard survive? So to explained it to you, I pointed out more ABSURD things that happened before that point, which somehow "smart" people such as yourself did not question, is easy to see only what helps you to be right hm?

 well that shepard getting hit by  a laser is sketchy at best and the "blackout" images are the same when shepard is entering a dream, or the geth concensus. 

can you point out anything else?

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 24 avril 2012 - 02:25 .

[Rksmithers]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Well right now you are laughing by yourself dude, well done.

Ah right... because Shepard surviving the direct blast fro ma reaper who can cut like butter through SPACE CRUISERS makes sense?

Keep laughing by yourself.. it suits you.

I like how you avoided trying to explain your hypocrisy.

Regardless, if you paid attention to the ending that much you'd know the beam didn't hit him. The scene cuts away before it does.

Ah right.... because Harbingers is firing all the way up sees Shepard and goes "NOOOOO!!! Shepard I must not hurt you!!!!!" and stops suddenly the beam? Yes... of course...

Ok.. there has been a number of people including an unofficial twitter from a DEV, saying that the citadel has emergency mass effect fields bubbles, and so even though the blast destroyes lots of it we NEVER see it blowing up completely.

I can pull tons more of bull*** out of my hat to explain that, but I am sure you can pull even nastier stuff out of yours to counter it, so I will stop this pointless debate againts the fanatic wall here.

Didn't realise the name of the topic was "You can only post in here if you do not counter our points"

ha ha ha ha ha your right! you could pull tons more bull **** out of you hat, but thats all it is.... ****, so when you come to debate something we have hundreds of pages explaining this and you come with a few posts of nonsensical bull ****, you cant hope to win, your wrong on all of your point, you have no proof, you have no evidence, you have no knowledge of what the hell your even talking about, so im sorry to put it bluntly for you, i respect your opinion, but you sir are playing with the big boys now....

Modifié par Rksmithers, 24 avril 2012 - 02:26 .

[Rifneno]

Didn't realise the name of the topic was "You can only post in here if you do not counter our points"

No, it's more along the lines of "you can only post if you're not an arrogant ass that tells people things like 'take off your it goggles' for disagreeing with you while simultaneously handwaving anything that disagrees with your own point of view".

And yes, I can pull a lot more "bull****" explanations to counter. Because I actually paid attention to the lore and I understand that, for instance, a mass effect field to keep oxygen in doesn't turn you into Kal-El when there's a 3 digit kiloton explosion right next to you.

So to explained it to you, I pointed out more ABSURD things that happened before that point, which somehow "smart" people such as yourself did not question, is easy to see only what helps you to be right hm?

Because "smart" people actually "paid attention" and noted that beam weapon was only implied to hit Shepard. Since you seem to be aware this is a work of fiction, you should be aware that there's often a reason when the scene cuts away right before something like a character being hit by a laser.
Also, we "paid attention" and noted that Reaper beam weapons have variable power settings. Their highest damage is estimated to be in the range of 400 kilotons. That means an explosion equivalent to 400,000 tons of TNT. The fact that London isn't vaporized should tell you that Harbinger probably doesn't have it on "dreadnought annihilator" setting.

[llbountyhunter]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

@MadRabbit : so in IDT it is nomsense that harbinger didn't hit shep mortaly but for a canon ending it is ok that shep stands up and crawls to the beam ? Were is your logic here ?

Do not put words in my mouth, I know you people love doing so, but that's not what I said, I said this is POOR writing... and then you pulled that nonsense about how did shepard survive? So to explained it to you, I pointed out more ABSURD things that happened before that point, which somehow "smart" people such as yourself did not question, is easy to see only what helps you to be right hm?

SS2Dante wrote...

By the way, if ME's ending is not
supposed to have an extra component then why did they think there would
be lot's of speculation? If it wasn't for IT it'd simply be complaints.

Because
they wanted peopel to speak abotu the fate of the galaxy, and if
Shepard really is dead or not, will there be war after this between
Salarians and Krogans? All this has failed because the attentions fro
mthe real speculation has been taken away due to the bad response fro
mthe endings.

I used to beleive in IT, then I realised
the maturity level of most peopel here who beleives in IT who acts like
religious fanatics who cannot seem to take anything into question and
beleives what they are told. You cannot have a rational conversation
wtih peopel like that, and I do not want to be categorized as one of them anymore.

we have rational conversations with anti IT'ers like epyon and (dont remember the other...) , 

but they also happen to provide solid/reasonable counter-arguments.

[Rksmithers]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

@MadRabbit : so in IDT it is nomsense that harbinger didn't hit shep mortaly but for a canon ending it is ok that shep stands up and crawls to the beam ? Were is your logic here ?

Do not put words in my mouth, I know you people love doing so, but that's not what I said, I said this is POOR writing... and then you pulled that nonsense about how did shepard survive? So to explained it to you, I pointed out more ABSURD things that happened before that point, which somehow "smart" people such as yourself did not question, is easy to see only what helps you to be right hm?

oh yes, we absolutly love puting words in your mouth.... and even if the citidel has mass effect fields or kenetic berriers there is no way that if shepard got burned up after the normandy was destroyed (wich also had shielding and berriers) then how the hell could he survive after the citidel, you are obviously not thinking through you idiotic rambles, i hate to be rude i really do i prefer to keep this thread peacefull... but sir your an idiot.

[MadRabbit999]

llbountyhunter wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

@MadRabbit : so in IDT it is nomsense that harbinger didn't hit shep mortaly but for a canon ending it is ok that shep stands up and crawls to the beam ? Were is your logic here ?

Do not put words in my mouth, I know you people love doing so, but that's not what I said, I said this is POOR writing... and then you pulled that nonsense about how did shepard survive? So to explained it to you, I pointed out more ABSURD things that happened before that point, which somehow "smart" people such as yourself did not question, is easy to see only what helps you to be right hm?

 well that shepard getting hit by  a laser is sketchy at best and the "blackout" images are the same when shepard is entering a dream, or the geth concensus. 

can you point out anything else?

Poor writing you mean?

Like a Geth in ME2 walking on the citadel and everybody thinking it was a service droid... seriously? Nha, I do not buy that.

Canceling your decision to make Anderson Councilor so that he would have a center role in ME3

Leaving an priceless and unique pod containing a live reaper, which cerberus was fighting to get, abandoned on top of a platform, easy to reach? Nope, I do not buy that either, I know it's gameplay, but it's jsut absurd.

I simply do not have the time to point them all out, but the game is riddled with poor writing, and someone else who loves to bash ME can do a much better job, I have no interest in destroying this game, I am happy with the endings we have at the moment.

Rksmithers wrote...

oh yes, we absolutly love puting words
in your mouth.... and even if the citidel has mass effect fields or
kenetic berriers there is no way that if shepard got burned up after the
normandy was destroyed (wich also had shielding and berriers) then how
the hell could he survive after the citidel, you are obviously not
thinking through you idiotic rambles, i hate to be rude i really do i
prefer to keep this thread peacefull... but sir your an idiot.

Ah yes "we", I am glad you speak for the whole of the IT people, thanks for proving my point abotu the elvel of your maturity.

Beleive in IT or not, I don't give a ***. I can't wait for the cry threads on how Extended cut did not bring them IT.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 24 avril 2012 - 02:38 .

[llbountyhunter]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

@MadRabbit : so in IDT it is nomsense that harbinger didn't hit shep mortaly but for a canon ending it is ok that shep stands up and crawls to the beam ? Were is your logic here ?

Do not put words in my mouth, I know you people love doing so, but that's not what I said, I said this is POOR writing... and then you pulled that nonsense about how did shepard survive? So to explained it to you, I pointed out more ABSURD things that happened before that point, which somehow "smart" people such as yourself did not question, is easy to see only what helps you to be right hm?

 well that shepard getting hit by  a laser is sketchy at best and the "blackout" images are the same when shepard is entering a dream, or the geth concensus. 

can you point out anything else?

Poor writing you mean?

Like a Geth in ME2 walking on the citadel and everybody thinking it was a service droid... seriously? Nha, I do not buy that.

Canceling your decision to make Anderson Councilor so that he would have a center role in ME3

Leaving an priceless and unique pod containing a live reaper, which cerberus was fighting to get, abandoned on top of a platform, easy to reach? Nope, I do not buy that either, I know it's gameplay, but it's jsut absurd.

I simply do not have the time to point them all out, but the game is riddled with poor writing, and someone else who loves to bash ME can do a much better job, I have no interest in destroying this game, I am happy with the endings we have at the moment.

well the anderson retiring one (along with many others) are explained in detail in the books, so its not poor writing.... 

also the salarian thought that javok was a modified species.. so yeah, people probably thought that legion was a modified service droid.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 24 avril 2012 - 02:38 .

[Rksmithers]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

@MadRabbit : so in IDT it is nomsense that harbinger didn't hit shep mortaly but for a canon ending it is ok that shep stands up and crawls to the beam ? Were is your logic here ?

Do not put words in my mouth, I know you people love doing so, but that's not what I said, I said this is POOR writing... and then you pulled that nonsense about how did shepard survive? So to explained it to you, I pointed out more ABSURD things that happened before that point, which somehow "smart" people such as yourself did not question, is easy to see only what helps you to be right hm?

 well that shepard getting hit by  a laser is sketchy at best and the "blackout" images are the same when shepard is entering a dream, or the geth concensus. 

can you point out anything else?

Poor writing you mean?

Like a Geth in ME2 walking on the citadel and everybody thinking it was a service droid... seriously? Nha, I do not buy that.

Canceling your decision to make Anderson Councilor so that he would have a center role in ME3

Leaving an priceless and unique pod containing a live reaper, which cerberus was fighting to get, abandoned on top of a platform, easy to reach? Nope, I do not buy that either, I know it's gameplay, but it's jsut absurd.

I simply do not have the time to point them all out, but the game is riddled with poor writing, and someone else who loves to bash ME can do a much better job, I have no interest in destroying this game, I am happy with the endings we have at the moment.

AHA!!!! YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!!!! IT WAS A PROTHEAN YOU DUMB ASS!!!!

[Dwailing]

llbountyhunter wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

@MadRabbit : so in IDT it is nomsense that harbinger didn't hit shep mortaly but for a canon ending it is ok that shep stands up and crawls to the beam ? Were is your logic here ?

Do not put words in my mouth, I know you people love doing so, but that's not what I said, I said this is POOR writing... and then you pulled that nonsense about how did shepard survive? So to explained it to you, I pointed out more ABSURD things that happened before that point, which somehow "smart" people such as yourself did not question, is easy to see only what helps you to be right hm?

SS2Dante wrote...

By the way, if ME's ending is not
supposed to have an extra component then why did they think there would
be lot's of speculation? If it wasn't for IT it'd simply be complaints.

Because
they wanted peopel to speak abotu the fate of the galaxy, and if
Shepard really is dead or not, will there be war after this between
Salarians and Krogans? All this has failed because the attentions fro
mthe real speculation has been taken away due to the bad response fro
mthe endings.

I used to beleive in IT, then I realised
the maturity level of most peopel here who beleives in IT who acts like
religious fanatics who cannot seem to take anything into question and
beleives what they are told. You cannot have a rational conversation
wtih peopel like that, and I do not want to be categorized as one of them anymore.

we have rational conversations with anti IT'ers like epyon and (dont remember the other...) , 

but they also happen to provide solid/reasonable counter-arguments.

Oh, you mean... GBGRIFFIN!!!!  I am summoning the great and powerful troll.

[llbountyhunter]

Rksmithers wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

@MadRabbit : so in IDT it is nomsense that harbinger didn't hit shep mortaly but for a canon ending it is ok that shep stands up and crawls to the beam ? Were is your logic here ?

Do not put words in my mouth, I know you people love doing so, but that's not what I said, I said this is POOR writing... and then you pulled that nonsense about how did shepard survive? So to explained it to you, I pointed out more ABSURD things that happened before that point, which somehow "smart" people such as yourself did not question, is easy to see only what helps you to be right hm?

 well that shepard getting hit by  a laser is sketchy at best and the "blackout" images are the same when shepard is entering a dream, or the geth concensus. 

can you point out anything else?

Poor writing you mean?

Like a Geth in ME2 walking on the citadel and everybody thinking it was a service droid... seriously? Nha, I do not buy that.

Canceling your decision to make Anderson Councilor so that he would have a center role in ME3

Leaving an priceless and unique pod containing a live reaper, which cerberus was fighting to get, abandoned on top of a platform, easy to reach? Nope, I do not buy that either, I know it's gameplay, but it's jsut absurd.

I simply do not have the time to point them all out, but the game is riddled with poor writing, and someone else who loves to bash ME can do a much better job, I have no interest in destroying this game, I am happy with the endings we have at the moment.

AHA!!!! YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!!!! IT WAS A PROTHEAN YOU DUMB ASS!!!!

thats what he was talking about? I thought i was forgetting something.... 

[MadRabbit999]

Rksmithers wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

@MadRabbit : so in IDT it is nomsense that harbinger didn't hit shep mortaly but for a canon ending it is ok that shep stands up and crawls to the beam ? Were is your logic here ?

Do not put words in my mouth, I know you people love doing so, but that's not what I said, I said this is POOR writing... and then you pulled that nonsense about how did shepard survive? So to explained it to you, I pointed out more ABSURD things that happened before that point, which somehow "smart" people such as yourself did not question, is easy to see only what helps you to be right hm?

 well that shepard getting hit by  a laser is sketchy at best and the "blackout" images are the same when shepard is entering a dream, or the geth concensus. 

can you point out anything else?

Poor writing you mean?

Like a Geth in ME2 walking on the citadel and everybody thinking it was a service droid... seriously? Nha, I do not buy that.

Canceling your decision to make Anderson Councilor so that he would have a center role in ME3

Leaving an priceless and unique pod containing a live reaper, which cerberus was fighting to get, abandoned on top of a platform, easy to reach? Nope, I do not buy that either, I know it's gameplay, but it's jsut absurd.

I simply do not have the time to point them all out, but the game is riddled with poor writing, and someone else who loves to bash ME can do a much better job, I have no interest in destroying this game, I am happy with the endings we have at the moment.

AHA!!!! YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!!!! IT WAS A PROTHEAN YOU DUMB ASS!!!!

Yes you CAP spamming d****s**** I meant to say Prothean, it was a tpying error,  you won, here is a cookie.. .do not forget to shove it in deep.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 24 avril 2012 - 02:40 .

[SS2Dante]

Rksmithers wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

@MadRabbit : so in IDT it is nomsense that harbinger didn't hit shep mortaly but for a canon ending it is ok that shep stands up and crawls to the beam ? Were is your logic here ?

Do not put words in my mouth, I know you people love doing so, but that's not what I said, I said this is POOR writing... and then you pulled that nonsense about how did shepard survive? So to explained it to you, I pointed out more ABSURD things that happened before that point, which somehow "smart" people such as yourself did not question, is easy to see only what helps you to be right hm?

 well that shepard getting hit by  a laser is sketchy at best and the "blackout" images are the same when shepard is entering a dream, or the geth concensus. 

can you point out anything else?

Poor writing you mean?

Like a Geth in ME2 walking on the citadel and everybody thinking it was a service droid... seriously? Nha, I do not buy that.

Canceling your decision to make Anderson Councilor so that he would have a center role in ME3

Leaving an priceless and unique pod containing a live reaper, which cerberus was fighting to get, abandoned on top of a platform, easy to reach? Nope, I do not buy that either, I know it's gameplay, but it's jsut absurd.

I simply do not have the time to point them all out, but the game is riddled with poor writing, and someone else who loves to bash ME can do a much better job, I have no interest in destroying this game, I am happy with the endings we have at the moment.

AHA!!!! YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!!!! IT WAS A PROTHEAN YOU DUMB ASS!!!!

Way to not sound hysterical Rk

[Rksmithers]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Rksmithers wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

@MadRabbit : so in IDT it is nomsense that harbinger didn't hit shep mortaly but for a canon ending it is ok that shep stands up and crawls to the beam ? Were is your logic here ?

Do not put words in my mouth, I know you people love doing so, but that's not what I said, I said this is POOR writing... and then you pulled that nonsense about how did shepard survive? So to explained it to you, I pointed out more ABSURD things that happened before that point, which somehow "smart" people such as yourself did not question, is easy to see only what helps you to be right hm?

 well that shepard getting hit by  a laser is sketchy at best and the "blackout" images are the same when shepard is entering a dream, or the geth concensus. 

can you point out anything else?

Poor writing you mean?

Like a Geth in ME2 walking on the citadel and everybody thinking it was a service droid... seriously? Nha, I do not buy that.

Canceling your decision to make Anderson Councilor so that he would have a center role in ME3

Leaving an priceless and unique pod containing a live reaper, which cerberus was fighting to get, abandoned on top of a platform, easy to reach? Nope, I do not buy that either, I know it's gameplay, but it's jsut absurd.

I simply do not have the time to point them all out, but the game is riddled with poor writing, and someone else who loves to bash ME can do a much better job, I have no interest in destroying this game, I am happy with the endings we have at the moment.

AHA!!!! YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!!!! IT WAS A PROTHEAN YOU DUMB ASS!!!!

thats what he was talking about? I thought i was forgetting something.... 

yeah, he was refering to the dlc... from ashes...

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MadRabbit999 wrote...

Rksmithers wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

@MadRabbit : so in IDT it is nomsense that harbinger didn't hit shep mortaly but for a canon ending it is ok that shep stands up and crawls to the beam ? Were is your logic here ?

Do not put words in my mouth, I know you people love doing so, but that's not what I said, I said this is POOR writing... and then you pulled that nonsense about how did shepard survive? So to explained it to you, I pointed out more ABSURD things that happened before that point, which somehow "smart" people such as yourself did not question, is easy to see only what helps you to be right hm?

 well that shepard getting hit by  a laser is sketchy at best and the "blackout" images are the same when shepard is entering a dream, or the geth concensus. 

can you point out anything else?

Poor writing you mean?

Like a Geth in ME2 walking on the citadel and everybody thinking it was a service droid... seriously? Nha, I do not buy that.

Canceling your decision to make Anderson Councilor so that he would have a center role in ME3

Leaving an priceless and unique pod containing a live reaper, which cerberus was fighting to get, abandoned on top of a platform, easy to reach? Nope, I do not buy that either, I know it's gameplay, but it's jsut absurd.

I simply do not have the time to point them all out, but the game is riddled with poor writing, and someone else who loves to bash ME can do a much better job, I have no interest in destroying this game, I am happy with the endings we have at the moment.

AHA!!!! YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!!!! IT WAS A PROTHEAN YOU DUMB ASS!!!!

Yes you CAP spamming d****s**** I meant to say Prothean, it was a tpying error,  you won, here is a cookie.. .do not forget to shove it in deep.

well at least your giving something in your pointless idiocracy............ and you got a problem with my big words essay? (takes bite of cookie) mmmmm tastes just like your argument......... load of ****.........

[pistolols]

Does shep actually have a "wound" where he has his left hand after anderson dies? I just finished this last night again, i didn't see any wound there. I meant to take a screenshot so i could examine it further later but i forgot.

His hand was bloodly, but weren't his entire arms and hands bloody ever since being hit by harbinger's beam?

My take on the shep hand-where-anderson-was-shot thing was that this was confusion from the indoctrination 'attempt' on both anderson and shep by illusive man. Shepard is checking himself because he's confused about who was even just shot, perhaps. Similar to the shared memory confusion the 2 guys on derelict reaper had.

Modifié par pistolols, 24 avril 2012 - 02:45 .

[SS2Dante]

Ok, so, to sum up this argument:

MadRabbit thinks the IT stuff is caused by bad writing. We do not.

Right. Ok?

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SS2Dante wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

mrs.N7 wrote...

Here is the turned mako that we see in the breath scene!
min 8.46
PS:playing now and noticing new things... when TIM appears with "Oily shadows" around your vision this is the dialogue:
Anderson:"urgh, They are controlling you (speaking of TIM, but looking Shep)"
TIM:" I don't think so, Admiral."
Shepard:"Controlling me is a lot different than controlling a reaper."
ok, now, WHO is speaking to WHO??

To my knowledge there is no mako i nthe breath scene, there is a video explaining piece by piece the breath scene being made by part of the citadel as opposed to London.

And regarding the conversation: Both Shepard and Anderson cannot move or turn their heads much that is why they are lookign at the wrong peopel when speaking.

Also Tim is referring to the fact that he can control Shepard and Anderson, so by his logic, he can control the Reapers. and so Shepard goes "No, controllibng a reaper is not as easy as controling me"

That video may have been made by Epyon? And the Mako was found after the video and can only reaslly be seen if you tweak the brightness.

Literally...fine. I'm fine with that as an explanation.

And what does TIM say to that? "Have a little faith". The words and tone of voice do NOT match the scene at all. if he's referring to the biotics then why not simply "I already am"? The scene matches IT far more than the literal interpretation.

Also if you choose the renegade option in that convo Shep asks why TIM doesn't just do his control plan and TIM says it's because "I need you to believe!". Again, literaly, this makes zero sense, since the game goes out of it's way to point out that TIM doesn't hold Shep in high esteem any more.

Plus, of course, the dream whispers in the background of the entire scene  And the odd camera shot of Shepards wound after Anderson dies. And the crucible drums beating when TIM first appears. And Hackett apparently knowing that SHep is on the citadel.

You do realise the dude who made the IT video heavily edited the scene by adding reaper sounds, whispers and a fake blue light at the breathing scene right? I used t obeleive in him until they pointed out these FACTS.... why would he need to temper with the original proofs if he was so convinced it was true?

I am a strong beleiver that it was the Marourder that shot shepard.... I got tons of friends beside me at work that beleive the exact same thing, he recoils from being shot, it;s a gameplay animation of a videogame, this is not a movie where you have to get everything perfect to make sense, so to me he did get shot in the stomach, the blood is a giant 2D splatter that starts somewhere in front of him, so it doesn;t have to be accurate.

I could start throwing plotholes of a higher caliber from all over the series... like the 1m1 which had been on the Citadel since ME1, or the fact that everything is written i nenglish, when we all know in the Milky way everybody speaks galactic.

Also do not turn poor writing into "why does he says that, it;s a clue!!!!" if you had read some of the ME comics, you;d find in a lot of cases the dialogues to be very poor, and cliché, and that's what I think the TIM dialogue sounds like.

See Total Recall and Inception, both movies have achieved to give you that idea in your mind "Did he, or did he not" "THE END" if ME wanted to do the same it would have been clearer to spot in the narrative.. and not by goign int othe game files, breaking things to pieces to find the truth.. this is not the Davinci code, but is meant to be narrative.

Um...yes? That was for drama and clarity? Not one of us has ever tried to claim any of the stuff he added as evidence. Nor in fact do I believe they are meant as "fake evidence". They are added simply to show what's actually supposed to be going on, according to IT. You may have noticed a whole bunch of voiceovers that also didn't happen during the scenes, but apparently you understood not to take them as "evidence".

The animation (which they had to make for this specific scene by the way, as it's nowhere else in the game) clearly shows Shepards right shoulder being thrown backwards, which is why it always interupts your shot. Besides which, that's not what I said. I said that the most striking part is that they decide to FOCUS in on the wound (and Sheps freshly blood stained hands but ok whatever we'll chalk that down to "bad graphics" :S) and show Shepards surprise, DIRECTLY after Anderson dies. Not during the conversation, not after Hackett calls, but about one second after Admiral Anderson closes his eyes.

But this isn't bad dialogue. It's WEIRD dialogue. it doesn't fit. It's very bizarre that both these options are both exactly what the IT version of TIM would say.

The 1m1 on the Citadel is odd yes but hardly unexplainable. It's also the first example everybody uses when citing plotholes, mainly because they don't actually have others to cite

ME is not trying to do an Inception or Total Recall. Both movies specifically made the main dilemma clear. The entire point of IT is that it's supposed to convince the majority of people (aka indoctrination) until the twist is revealed. Think Fight Club, not Inception.

By the way, if ME's ending is not supposed to have an extra component then why did they think there would be lot's of speculation? If it wasn't for IT it'd simply be complaints.

Well said Dante. I wanted to add two things that- I think- are worthy of note:
1) When you see for the first time the kid in the vent, there is a song that plays very few times during the entire game,     "An End Once And For All". Perhaps a hint to what wolud have been the ending?
2) How StarBrat react to the ending you pick:
    -control: you trow the gun away, suffer, become like a husk and get indoc. eyes. He follows and smiles at you                          before disappearing into static. RELEASING CONTROL OF THIS FORM...
    -synthesis: pretty muck like control. He only looks at you from distance
    -destroy: you keep your gun and shoot at the tube. He follows you and while you shoot he disappears into static.
3) I ILED, I said two!! oh well.. Tuchancka Bomb mission's rebar is very like breath scene's "rebar", bended, but low res. Before anyone says anything, low res ingame rebar vs high res cutscene.

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SS2Dante wrote...

Rksmithers wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

@MadRabbit : so in IDT it is nomsense that harbinger didn't hit shep mortaly but for a canon ending it is ok that shep stands up and crawls to the beam ? Were is your logic here ?

Do not put words in my mouth, I know you people love doing so, but that's not what I said, I said this is POOR writing... and then you pulled that nonsense about how did shepard survive? So to explained it to you, I pointed out more ABSURD things that happened before that point, which somehow "smart" people such as yourself did not question, is easy to see only what helps you to be right hm?

 well that shepard getting hit by  a laser is sketchy at best and the "blackout" images are the same when shepard is entering a dream, or the geth concensus. 

can you point out anything else?

Poor writing you mean?

Like a Geth in ME2 walking on the citadel and everybody thinking it was a service droid... seriously? Nha, I do not buy that.

Canceling your decision to make Anderson Councilor so that he would have a center role in ME3

Leaving an priceless and unique pod containing a live reaper, which cerberus was fighting to get, abandoned on top of a platform, easy to reach? Nope, I do not buy that either, I know it's gameplay, but it's jsut absurd.

I simply do not have the time to point them all out, but the game is riddled with poor writing, and someone else who loves to bash ME can do a much better job, I have no interest in destroying this game, I am happy with the endings we have at the moment.

AHA!!!! YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!!!! IT WAS A PROTHEAN YOU DUMB ASS!!!!

Way to not sound hysterical Rk

^n^

[Big Bad]

Jesus, people! Can we please take the temperature down a few notches? This thread is decidely not fun to read or participate in when it turns into a pissed off circle jerk! Remember, Shepard's blue baby reads this thread, so be nice!

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pistolols wrote...

Does shep actually have a "wound" where he has his left hand after anderson dies? I just finished this last night again, i didn't see any wound there. I meant to take a screenshot so i could examine it further later but i forgot.

His hand was bloodly, but weren't his entire arms and hands bloody ever since being hit by harbinger's beam?

My take on the shep hand-where-anderson-was-shot thing was that this was confusion from the indoctrination 'attempt' on both anderson and shep by illusive man. Shepard is checking himself because he's confused about who was even just shot, perhaps. Similar to the shared memory confusion the 2 guys on derelict reaper had.

yeah its where you shoot anderson, remember..... instead its as if shepard shoots himself.... LE GASP!!! its almost as if its evidence of the Indoctrination theory!!!!! HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!