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[Dwailing]

pirate1802 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I asked this a while ago but it got lost in all the rage flying around so I'll try again: Shouldn't garrus die according to starchild logic if you pick destroy: He suffered a fatal injury in ME2 and looked pretty bad. So I'm assuming there might be a fair amount of life-saving synthetics that went inside him. Is my assumption valid or its too much? (I dont remember exactly but I have a feeling it was actually mentioned by Chakwas when she fixed him, been a while since I played ME2).

Synthetics did come up during that conversation, but I can't remember if she was saying she gave Garrus them or not...hmm.

Lol, destroy ending, Garrus' head explodes

The only thing that kept me from completely breaking down during the ending was the thought that atleast garrus (My shep's LI) is OK :'(

Garrus mentions, when he Shep meets first after the surgery that he has gotten some cybernetics.

Yeah I checked my screenshots too (I have a twichy habit of taking screenshots all the time), so seeing the extent of his injury its safe to assume those cybernetics were life-saving. So we have another evidence of starbrat's BS?

I think we had all the evidence of that a couple hundred pages ago.  This is just icing on the proverbial cake.

[Rksmithers]

Vahilor wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I asked this a while ago but it got lost in all the rage flying around so I'll try again: Shouldn't garrus die according to starchild logic if you pick destroy: He suffered a fatal injury in ME2 and looked pretty bad. So I'm assuming there might be a fair amount of life-saving synthetics that went inside him. Is my assumption valid or its too much? (I dont remember exactly but I have a feeling it was actually mentioned by Chakwas when she fixed him, been a while since I played ME2).

Synthetics did come up during that conversation, but I can't remember if she was saying she gave Garrus them or not...hmm.

Lol, destroy ending, Garrus' head explodes

The only thing that kept me from completely breaking down during the ending was the thought that atleast garrus (My shep's LI) is OK :'(

Garrus mentions, when he Shep meets first after the surgery that he has gotten some cybernetics.

yeah but guys dont worry, shepard is like 47% synthetic due to his uh... well burning in the atmosphere ordeal.... and garrus just has probably 7% he would be fine regardless, he may feel it though... but he should be pretty much healed by now.....

[Uncle Jo]

Rifneno wrote...

*snip*

Uncle Jo wrote...

TIM looking different is just Shep's combination of how he remembers him (he already saw him) and his last picture of an indoctrinated Saren. It's not that illogical.
My God, I'm defending the IT now....

<whispers> Joinnnn ussssss.

*snip*

LMAO
No not yet I've never dismissed the IT and never will, you all gave more than strong evidences/clues to make it very plausible... If it was Biowares intent from the very start is, IMO, another matter.
I don't know, maybe it has something to do with faith..
Anyways I'm just enjoying reading the thread, there is alot of interesting people and I'm learning more about the ME universe and if I think I have something to add, then I do it. Besides I'm improving my english which got pretty bad...

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 24 avril 2012 - 03:29 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Dwailing wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I asked this a while ago but it got lost in all the rage flying around so I'll try again: Shouldn't garrus die according to starchild logic if you pick destroy: He suffered a fatal injury in ME2 and looked pretty bad. So I'm assuming there might be a fair amount of life-saving synthetics that went inside him. Is my assumption valid or its too much? (I dont remember exactly but I have a feeling it was actually mentioned by Chakwas when she fixed him, been a while since I played ME2).

Synthetics did come up during that conversation, but I can't remember if she was saying she gave Garrus them or not...hmm.

Lol, destroy ending, Garrus' head explodes

The only thing that kept me from completely breaking down during the ending was the thought that atleast garrus (My shep's LI) is OK :'(

Garrus mentions, when he Shep meets first after the surgery that he has gotten some cybernetics.

Yeah I checked my screenshots too (I have a twichy habit of taking screenshots all the time), so seeing the extent of his injury its safe to assume those cybernetics were life-saving. So we have another evidence of starbrat's BS?

I think we had all the evidence of that a couple hundred pages ago.  This is just icing on the proverbial cake.

Just contributing my bit
Also the invisible unloadable autosave! Conveniently named LegendSave. I wonder..

Modifié par pirate1802, 24 avril 2012 - 03:33 .

[SS2Dante]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

*snip*

Uncle Jo wrote...

TIM looking different is just Shep's combination of how he remembers him (he already saw him) and his last picture of an indoctrinated Saren. It's not that illogical.
My God, I'm defending the IT now....

<whispers> Joinnnn ussssss.

*snip*

LMAO
No not yet I've never dismissed the IT and never will, you all gave more than strong evidences/clues to make it very plausible... If it was Biowares intent from the very start is, IMO, another matter.
I don't know, maybe it has something to do with faith..
Anyways I'm just enjoying reading the thread, there is alot of interesting people and I'm learning more about the ME universe and if I think I have something to add, then I do it. Besides I'm improving my english which got pretty bad...

"Faith". Bleeeeegh

..not a native English speaker? If not, you speak it incredibly well.

[llbountyhunter]

btw, I recommend the first 3 mass effect books to everybody, they fill in the spots between the games quite nicely, and you get to know Anderson alot better.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 24 avril 2012 - 03:34 .

[SS2Dante]

llbountyhunter wrote...

btw, I recommend the first 3 mass effect books to everybody, they fill in the spots between the games quite nicely, and you get to know Anderson alot better.

My friend is reading them and was actually quite impressed. Suppose I'll have to get on that at some point.

[Rksmithers]

llbountyhunter wrote...

btw, I recommend the first 3 mass effect books to everybody, they fill in the spots between the games quite nicely, and you get to know Anderson alot better.

SPOILERS?




i want the 4th one to be done soon... i know ITS done... but they said they were fixing it......... i want that one!!!! and if gigi lives by the end of it, they should make her dlc... another bad ass biotic out for revenge against cerberus and the reapers for her father

[Rksmithers]

audio books are fantastic for mass effect.

just waiting to find the 4th one

[Dwailing]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

*snip*

Uncle Jo wrote...

TIM looking different is just Shep's combination of how he remembers him (he already saw him) and his last picture of an indoctrinated Saren. It's not that illogical.
My God, I'm defending the IT now....

<whispers> Joinnnn ussssss.

*snip*

LMAO
No not yet I've never dismissed the IT and never will, you all gave more than strong evidences/clues to make it very plausible... If it was Biowares intent from the very start is, IMO, another matter.
I don't know, maybe it has something to do with faith..
Anyways I'm just enjoying reading the thread, there is alot of interesting people and I'm learning more about the ME universe and if I think I have something to add, then I do it. Besides I'm improving my english which got pretty bad...

To me, it seems like there is no way that Bioware could have messed up this badly unless they had something else in mind.  Is IT that something else?  Well, it does seem as if there is a lot of evidence in favor of IT, while those that oppose IT and prefer a literal interpretation of the endings usually aren't able to come up with much evidence opposing IT beyond, "You're wrong because I say so," or, my personal favorite, "Bioware has horrible writers despite their track record before now."  And when the opposition (May I call them that?  I don't want to sound too judgmental.) DOES offers points against IT, we almost always (or possibly ALWAYS period) have an extremely reasonable counter argument.  So yes, I do believe that this was BW's intention from the beginning, although I know there are others who do not.  I have nothing against those people.  Anyway, now that I'm done rambling, I'm just glad we've been able to help you.  

[Uncle Jo]

[quote]SS2Dante wrote...



[quote]Uncle Jo wrote...


[/quote]LMAO
No not yet I've never dismissed the IT and never will, you all gave more than strong evidences/clues to make it very plausible... If it was Biowares intent from the very start is, IMO, another matter.
I don't know, maybe it has something to do with faith..
Anyways I'm just enjoying reading the thread, there is alot of interesting people and I'm learning more about the ME universe and if I think I have something to add, then I do it. Besides I'm improving my english which got pretty bad...



[/quote]

"Faith". Bleeeeegh

..not a native English speaker? If not, you speak it incredibly well.


[/quote]I meant faith in Bioware (I don't know if this does make any better )
Thanks for the compliment, I appreciate it , but no I'm not a native English speaker. I speak german, french and a little english.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 24 avril 2012 - 03:45 .

[Dwailing]

SS2Dante wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

btw, I recommend the first 3 mass effect books to everybody, they fill in the spots between the games quite nicely, and you get to know Anderson alot better.

My friend is reading them and was actually quite impressed. Suppose I'll have to get on that at some point.

Just DO NOT READ Mass Effect: Deception.  That steaming pile of... well, you know, was the worst attrocity in the ME universe until the ME3 endings became known.  I was actually part of the movement that was responsible for getting Bioware to say they would change it.  Good times, good times. 

[pistolols]

SS2Dante wrote...

pistolols wrote...

Does shep actually have a "wound" where he has his left hand after anderson dies? I just finished this last night, i didn't see any wound there. I meant to take a screenshot so i could examine it further later but i forgot.

His hand was bloodly, but weren't his entire arms and hands bloody ever since being hit by harbinger's beam?

My take on the shep hand-where-anderson-was-shot thing was that this was confusion from the indoctrination 'attempt' on both anderson and shep by illusive man. Shepard is checking himself because he's confused about who was even just shot, perhaps. Similar to the shared memory confusion the 2 guys on derelict reaper had.

Not sure. Also if you look, yes there is some blood on Sheps arms but it's mostly just dirt.



Some explain this as being caused by the graphical jump during the cutscence.

Also, noone has yet given me any satisfying explantation as to why the whispers from the dreams happen during this scene. If they occur because Shep is being indoctrinated by TIm then this implies that the whispers in the dreams are also signs of indoctrination.

(this is when the whispers start. The very moment Anderson is paralysed)

Listen to the noise made when you see TIM for the first time. it's the same DUM DUM as the crucible decision music.

Looks like his arms vary in how bloody/dirty they are in each scene.  After he beams up into the citadel his arms and hand look pretty bloody as he's getting up off the ground, but then they're cleaner looking during conversation with illusive man.  But they are certainly the most bloodly looking when he is sitting down there and looks at his hand.  Hard to know what to make of it all.

That is interesting about the whispers, i didnt realize they were the same.  But either way "hearing voices" is a known key step in indoctrination so without a doubt there is indoctrination going on during the citadel scene.   But I think it's actually happening and is not a hallucination.

Another thing, has anyone posed the question if Anderson is really born in London at all?  or does he just keep saying that because it's the confused/shared memory of the actual english guy (i don't recall his name) who is there working with anderson?  Implying of course a similarity to the 2 guys in the video on derelict reaper.  Either way it is very odd scene when he says he's born in London on the shuttle then there is a pause and Anderson's eyes stare to the side at shepard in a strange manner.

Modifié par pistolols, 24 avril 2012 - 03:45 .

[Dwailing]

pirate1802 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I asked this a while ago but it got lost in all the rage flying around so I'll try again: Shouldn't garrus die according to starchild logic if you pick destroy: He suffered a fatal injury in ME2 and looked pretty bad. So I'm assuming there might be a fair amount of life-saving synthetics that went inside him. Is my assumption valid or its too much? (I dont remember exactly but I have a feeling it was actually mentioned by Chakwas when she fixed him, been a while since I played ME2).

Synthetics did come up during that conversation, but I can't remember if she was saying she gave Garrus them or not...hmm.

Lol, destroy ending, Garrus' head explodes

The only thing that kept me from completely breaking down during the ending was the thought that atleast garrus (My shep's LI) is OK :'(

Garrus mentions, when he Shep meets first after the surgery that he has gotten some cybernetics.

Yeah I checked my screenshots too (I have a twichy habit of taking screenshots all the time), so seeing the extent of his injury its safe to assume those cybernetics were life-saving. So we have another evidence of starbrat's BS?

I think we had all the evidence of that a couple hundred pages ago.  This is just icing on the proverbial cake.

Just contributing my bit
Also the invisible unloadable autosave! Conveniently named LegendSave. I wonder..

Yeah, I think I read about that earlier.  Was that you?  One thing that came up a few pages ago was that in the save file there are apparently no flags for the Control and Synthesis endings.  The only thing the game records is whether you chose Destroy or not.

[Dwailing]

pistolols wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

pistolols wrote...

Does shep actually have a "wound" where he has his left hand after anderson dies? I just finished this last night, i didn't see any wound there. I meant to take a screenshot so i could examine it further later but i forgot.

His hand was bloodly, but weren't his entire arms and hands bloody ever since being hit by harbinger's beam?

My take on the shep hand-where-anderson-was-shot thing was that this was confusion from the indoctrination 'attempt' on both anderson and shep by illusive man. Shepard is checking himself because he's confused about who was even just shot, perhaps. Similar to the shared memory confusion the 2 guys on derelict reaper had.

Not sure. Also if you look, yes there is some blood on Sheps arms but it's mostly just dirt.



Some explain this as being caused by the graphical jump during the cutscence.

Also, noone has yet given me any satisfying explantation as to why the whispers from the dreams happen during this scene. If they occur because Shep is being indoctrinated by TIm then this implies that the whispers in the dreams are also signs of indoctrination.

(this is when the whispers start. The very moment Anderson is paralysed)

Listen to the noise made when you see TIM for the first time. it's the same DUM DUM as the crucible decision music.

Looks like his arms vary in how bloody/dirty they are in each scene.  After he beams up into the citadel his arms and hand look pretty bloody as he's getting up off the ground, but then they're cleaner looking during conversation with illusive man.  But they are certainly the most bloodly looking when he is sitting down there and looks at his hand.  Hard to know what to make of it all.

That is interesting about the whispers, i didnt realize they were the same.  But either way "hearing voices" is a known key step in indoctrination so without a doubt there is indoctrination going on during the citadel scene.   But I think it's actually happening and is not a hallucination.

Another thing, has anyone posed the question if Anderson is really born in London at all?  or does he just keep saying that because it's the confused/shared memory of the actual english guy (i don't recall hsi name) who is there working with anderson?  Implying of course a similarity to the 2 guys in the video on derelict reaper.  Either way it is very odd scene when he says he's born in London on the shuttle then there is a pause and Anderson's eyes stare to the side at shepard in a strange manner.

I'm pretty sure Anderson WAS born there.  He says it in a previous conversation on the Normandy when you contact him in the Comm Room.

[MaximizedAction]

pistolols wrote...

Looks like his arms vary in how bloody/dirty they are in each scene.  After he beams up into the citadel his arms and hand look pretty bloody as he's getting up off the ground, but then they're cleaner looking during conversation with illusive man.  But they are certainly the most bloodly looking when he is sitting down there and looks at his hand.  Hard to know what to make of it all.

That is interesting about the whispers, i didnt realize they were the same.  But either way "hearing voices" is a known key step in indoctrination so without a doubt there is indoctrination going on during the citadel scene.   But I think it's actually happening and is not a hallucination.

Another thing, has anyone posed the question if Anderson is really born in London at all?  or does he just keep saying that because it's the confused/shared memory of the actual english guy (i don't recall hsi name) who is there working with anderson?  Implying of course a similarity to the 2 guys in the video on derelict reaper.  Either way it is very odd scene when he says he's born in London on the shuttle then there is a pause and Anderson's eyes stare to the side at shepard in a strange manner.

Ok, now I really need to finish my second playthrough...

Damn, this thread turned the ending into a brilliant piece of...wait for it...art!

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 24 avril 2012 - 03:47 .

[pistolols]

Dwailing wrote...

pistolols wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

pistolols wrote...

Does shep actually have a "wound" where he has his left hand after anderson dies? I just finished this last night, i didn't see any wound there. I meant to take a screenshot so i could examine it further later but i forgot.

His hand was bloodly, but weren't his entire arms and hands bloody ever since being hit by harbinger's beam?

My take on the shep hand-where-anderson-was-shot thing was that this was confusion from the indoctrination 'attempt' on both anderson and shep by illusive man. Shepard is checking himself because he's confused about who was even just shot, perhaps. Similar to the shared memory confusion the 2 guys on derelict reaper had.

Not sure. Also if you look, yes there is some blood on Sheps arms but it's mostly just dirt.



Some explain this as being caused by the graphical jump during the cutscence.

Also, noone has yet given me any satisfying explantation as to why the whispers from the dreams happen during this scene. If they occur because Shep is being indoctrinated by TIm then this implies that the whispers in the dreams are also signs of indoctrination.

(this is when the whispers start. The very moment Anderson is paralysed)

Listen to the noise made when you see TIM for the first time. it's the same DUM DUM as the crucible decision music.

Looks like his arms vary in how bloody/dirty they are in each scene.  After he beams up into the citadel his arms and hand look pretty bloody as he's getting up off the ground, but then they're cleaner looking during conversation with illusive man.  But they are certainly the most bloodly looking when he is sitting down there and looks at his hand.  Hard to know what to make of it all.

That is interesting about the whispers, i didnt realize they were the same.  But either way "hearing voices" is a known key step in indoctrination so without a doubt there is indoctrination going on during the citadel scene.   But I think it's actually happening and is not a hallucination.

Another thing, has anyone posed the question if Anderson is really born in London at all?  or does he just keep saying that because it's the confused/shared memory of the actual english guy (i don't recall hsi name) who is there working with anderson?  Implying of course a similarity to the 2 guys in the video on derelict reaper.  Either way it is very odd scene when he says he's born in London on the shuttle then there is a pause and Anderson's eyes stare to the side at shepard in a strange manner.

I'm pretty sure Anderson WAS born there.  He says it in a previous conversation on the Normandy when you contact him in the Comm Room.

Yeah and at that point he's back on earth with reapers and the english guy.  Meaning as far back as then he has this confused false memory about being born in london.

Modifié par pistolols, 24 avril 2012 - 03:47 .

[Dwailing]

pistolols wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

pistolols wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

pistolols wrote...

Does shep actually have a "wound" where he has his left hand after anderson dies? I just finished this last night, i didn't see any wound there. I meant to take a screenshot so i could examine it further later but i forgot.

His hand was bloodly, but weren't his entire arms and hands bloody ever since being hit by harbinger's beam?

My take on the shep hand-where-anderson-was-shot thing was that this was confusion from the indoctrination 'attempt' on both anderson and shep by illusive man. Shepard is checking himself because he's confused about who was even just shot, perhaps. Similar to the shared memory confusion the 2 guys on derelict reaper had.

Not sure. Also if you look, yes there is some blood on Sheps arms but it's mostly just dirt.



Some explain this as being caused by the graphical jump during the cutscence.

Also, noone has yet given me any satisfying explantation as to why the whispers from the dreams happen during this scene. If they occur because Shep is being indoctrinated by TIm then this implies that the whispers in the dreams are also signs of indoctrination.

(this is when the whispers start. The very moment Anderson is paralysed)

Listen to the noise made when you see TIM for the first time. it's the same DUM DUM as the crucible decision music.

Looks like his arms vary in how bloody/dirty they are in each scene.  After he beams up into the citadel his arms and hand look pretty bloody as he's getting up off the ground, but then they're cleaner looking during conversation with illusive man.  But they are certainly the most bloodly looking when he is sitting down there and looks at his hand.  Hard to know what to make of it all.

That is interesting about the whispers, i didnt realize they were the same.  But either way "hearing voices" is a known key step in indoctrination so without a doubt there is indoctrination going on during the citadel scene.   But I think it's actually happening and is not a hallucination.

Another thing, has anyone posed the question if Anderson is really born in London at all?  or does he just keep saying that because it's the confused/shared memory of the actual english guy (i don't recall hsi name) who is there working with anderson?  Implying of course a similarity to the 2 guys in the video on derelict reaper.  Either way it is very odd scene when he says he's born in London on the shuttle then there is a pause and Anderson's eyes stare to the side at shepard in a strange manner.

I'm pretty sure Anderson WAS born there.  He says it in a previous conversation on the Normandy when you contact him in the Comm Room.

Yeah and at that point he's back on earth with reapers and the english guy.  Meaning as far back as then he has thins confused false memory about being born in london.

Eh, I would be inclined to believe him.  I think that this might be grasping at stra.... I mean emergency induction ports. 

[Ravel1992]

Dwailing wrote...

pistolols wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

pistolols wrote...

Does shep actually have a "wound" where he has his left hand after anderson dies? I just finished this last night, i didn't see any wound there. I meant to take a screenshot so i could examine it further later but i forgot.

His hand was bloodly, but weren't his entire arms and hands bloody ever since being hit by harbinger's beam?

My take on the shep hand-where-anderson-was-shot thing was that this was confusion from the indoctrination 'attempt' on both anderson and shep by illusive man. Shepard is checking himself because he's confused about who was even just shot, perhaps. Similar to the shared memory confusion the 2 guys on derelict reaper had.

Not sure. Also if you look, yes there is some blood on Sheps arms but it's mostly just dirt.



Some explain this as being caused by the graphical jump during the cutscence.

Also, noone has yet given me any satisfying explantation as to why the whispers from the dreams happen during this scene. If they occur because Shep is being indoctrinated by TIm then this implies that the whispers in the dreams are also signs of indoctrination.

(this is when the whispers start. The very moment Anderson is paralysed)

Listen to the noise made when you see TIM for the first time. it's the same DUM DUM as the crucible decision music.

Looks like his arms vary in how bloody/dirty they are in each scene.  After he beams up into the citadel his arms and hand look pretty bloody as he's getting up off the ground, but then they're cleaner looking during conversation with illusive man.  But they are certainly the most bloodly looking when he is sitting down there and looks at his hand.  Hard to know what to make of it all.

That is interesting about the whispers, i didnt realize they were the same.  But either way "hearing voices" is a known key step in indoctrination so without a doubt there is indoctrination going on during the citadel scene.   But I think it's actually happening and is not a hallucination.

Another thing, has anyone posed the question if Anderson is really born in London at all?  or does he just keep saying that because it's the confused/shared memory of the actual english guy (i don't recall hsi name) who is there working with anderson?  Implying of course a similarity to the 2 guys in the video on derelict reaper.  Either way it is very odd scene when he says he's born in London on the shuttle then there is a pause and Anderson's eyes stare to the side at shepard in a strange manner.

I'm pretty sure Anderson WAS born there.  He says it in a previous conversation on the Normandy when you contact him in the Comm Room.

That was pointed in books too.

[SS2Dante]

[quote]Uncle Jo wrote...

[quote]SS2Dante wrote...



[quote]Uncle Jo wrote...


[/quote]LMAO
No not yet I've never dismissed the IT and never will, you all gave more than strong evidences/clues to make it very plausible... If it was Biowares intent from the very start is, IMO, another matter.
I don't know, maybe it has something to do with faith..
Anyways I'm just enjoying reading the thread, there is alot of interesting people and I'm learning more about the ME universe and if I think I have something to add, then I do it. Besides I'm improving my english which got pretty bad...



[/quote]

"Faith". Bleeeeegh

..not a native English speaker? If not, you speak it incredibly well.


[/quote]I meant faith in Bioware (I don't know if this does make any better )
Thanks for the compliment, I appreciate it , but no I'm not a native English speaker. I speak german, french and a little english.



[/quote]

Just don't like the concept But to discuss we'd get into details in the meaning and I can't be bothered, so MOVING ON

Well, I don't know about your vocal skills, but from your typing I would have said you were a native speaker.

[Dwailing]

Ravel1992 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

pistolols wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

pistolols wrote...

Does shep actually have a "wound" where he has his left hand after anderson dies? I just finished this last night, i didn't see any wound there. I meant to take a screenshot so i could examine it further later but i forgot.

His hand was bloodly, but weren't his entire arms and hands bloody ever since being hit by harbinger's beam?

My take on the shep hand-where-anderson-was-shot thing was that this was confusion from the indoctrination 'attempt' on both anderson and shep by illusive man. Shepard is checking himself because he's confused about who was even just shot, perhaps. Similar to the shared memory confusion the 2 guys on derelict reaper had.

Not sure. Also if you look, yes there is some blood on Sheps arms but it's mostly just dirt.



Some explain this as being caused by the graphical jump during the cutscence.

Also, noone has yet given me any satisfying explantation as to why the whispers from the dreams happen during this scene. If they occur because Shep is being indoctrinated by TIm then this implies that the whispers in the dreams are also signs of indoctrination.

(this is when the whispers start. The very moment Anderson is paralysed)

Listen to the noise made when you see TIM for the first time. it's the same DUM DUM as the crucible decision music.

Looks like his arms vary in how bloody/dirty they are in each scene.  After he beams up into the citadel his arms and hand look pretty bloody as he's getting up off the ground, but then they're cleaner looking during conversation with illusive man.  But they are certainly the most bloodly looking when he is sitting down there and looks at his hand.  Hard to know what to make of it all.

That is interesting about the whispers, i didnt realize they were the same.  But either way "hearing voices" is a known key step in indoctrination so without a doubt there is indoctrination going on during the citadel scene.   But I think it's actually happening and is not a hallucination.

Another thing, has anyone posed the question if Anderson is really born in London at all?  or does he just keep saying that because it's the confused/shared memory of the actual english guy (i don't recall hsi name) who is there working with anderson?  Implying of course a similarity to the 2 guys in the video on derelict reaper.  Either way it is very odd scene when he says he's born in London on the shuttle then there is a pause and Anderson's eyes stare to the side at shepard in a strange manner.

I'm pretty sure Anderson WAS born there.  He says it in a previous conversation on the Normandy when you contact him in the Comm Room.

That was pointed in books too.

Thanks.

[Vahilor]

I have the books here only need to start to read them ^^

[Dnayew]

I was kind of late to the party of beating ME3, but I am totally on board with the Indoctrination Theory. I think it is very plausible.

Think about it. How awesome would it be if your final battle is the one that we got - a battle of WILL against Harbinger.

After finishing ME2 I was worried about how we would do a boss battle with Harbinger, because Shep vs. 20 Mile FTW Reaper is not a winnable battle. However, if the battle with Harbinger is this innovative "battle within Shepard's mind," that is incredible. As much as I love the Marauder Shields meme, what if the whole end sequence is your final boss battle?

This possibility is an AMAZING conclusion to one of the greatest sci-fi stories ever told.

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Ravel1992 wrote...

That was pointed in books too.

that he's actually born in london?  oh, alright. thanks

[Dwailing]

Dnayew wrote...

I was kind of late to the party of beating ME3, but I am totally on board with the Indoctrination Theory. I think it is very plausible.

Think about it. How awesome would it be if your final battle is the one that we got - a battle of WILL against Harbinger.

After finishing ME2 I was worried about how we would do a boss battle with Harbinger, because Shep vs. 20 Mile FTW Reaper is not a winnable battle. However, if the battle with Harbinger is this innovative "battle within Shepard's mind," that is incredible. As much as I love the Marauder Shields meme, what if the whole end sequence is your final boss battle?

This possibility is an AMAZING conclusion to one of the greatest sci-fi stories ever told.

Well, just because we get a battle of wills against Harbinger, doesn't mean we don't get a regular boss fight, too.  What I really want to see is something like the Reaper battle of Rannoch, but with the ENTIRE SWORD FLEET RAINING FIRE ON HARBINGER!!!!!!  Wouldn't that be awesome?