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madtotheskills wrote...

Check the album "Mass Effect 3 The Complete Expanded Score" by Clint Mansell, Christopher Lennertz, Cris Velasco, Sam Hulick, & Sascha Dikiciyan. There all the songs are in order of the game play. Scroll down to last ones and u will see this : Lodon hideout >> We face our Enemy Together >> Pressing Forward >> Faulty MIssiles >> Marauder Shields >> INDOCTRINATION !!!! >> I tried sheppard >> I'm proud of you >> The choice >> An end once and for all.

This is my single oficial proof about indoctrination.


Um...I think this is a fan thing? Unless you can give me a link?

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OK! Several things I'm going to bring up. First about the SFX; The Crucible beam sounds like the conduit beam, so there's another similarity there.

What's more interesting is that there is this high pitched sound that pulsates along with the beam, I had to turn up the volume to hear it but it is definitively there. Then when I chose destroy (as I always do) You hear this same noise when you see the memories of Anderson, Liara, and Joker.


THANK YOU.

I mentioned this like 5 times before but noone could confrim, then i replayed but the sound was gone(!?)

...maybe I should check that this is the same sound, actually :S

Like a high whistle that pulses on and off every second or so?


*You hear that? That's the sound of hope.*


Crazy! I mean like so many positive waves maybe we can't lose!

Anyway, I think the similiarity of sounds between magical giant magic space magic beams of magic light is just dev laziness but... Could the final convo with the Catalyst be a sort of half-awake sequence then?

Pick synthesis, run into the conduit, into the Citadel, and be processed.
Pick control, head to the left, grab some exposed wires or something.
Go right, blow up something. Possibly wake up.


I'm intrigued by this idea. The conduit to the citadel does seem similar to the beam of the crucible. When you wake up from Harbinger's beam, you're closer to the conduit, right? How far from the beam of the crucible are you when you stop talking to the Catalyst? Same distance from the actual location you were knocked out to the conduit? The two areas look quite similar, and didn't someone say that there was a mako in the citadel/crucible area that was in the conduit area?

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madtotheskills wrote...

Check the album "Mass Effect 3 The Complete Expanded Score" by Clint Mansell, Christopher Lennertz, Cris Velasco, Sam Hulick, & Sascha Dikiciyan. There all the songs are in order of the game play. Scroll down to last ones and u will see this : Lodon hideout >> We face our Enemy Together >> Pressing Forward >> Faulty MIssiles >> Marauder Shields >> INDOCTRINATION !!!! >> I tried sheppard >> I'm proud of you >> The choice >> An end once and for all.

This is my single oficial proof about indoctrination.


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I posted this last night but it got lost in the troll traffic. I apologize if these points have already been addressed:

I had some questions about the ending that I wanted to hear your guys' thoughts on:

It is very odd first off that Shepard passed out for the second time after riding the beam up, and also equally odd that his pistol found its way to 10 feet in front of him. However I was wondering if you guys felt that Anderson's words from then are messed up. First he says "I followed you up but we didn't come out the same place AT LEAST I DON'T THINK WE DID". wouldn't it be obvious if him and Sheppy came out at the same spot? Also Anderson speaks as if he is seein through your eyes and he describes everything you see. He also says " where the hell are WE?" even though Shepard and Andy don't seem to be together Andy uses the word "WE" as if they were.

There is one thing else to consider guys. Anderson describes a Chasm while making his way to the console. The word chasm can mean, like we think it does, a rift but it can also mean a difference in viewpoints or people. I think this could symbolize the difference of opinions in Shep's mind personified by Anderson and TIM.


Yeah, the whole passing out thing is weird. I mean.. either you pass out from blood loss or you don't. You don't lie down a few seconds and suddenly feel much better.

And I agree that the "At least I don't think we did" was unnecessary.


Someone else pointed out that Anderson says "I'll press on" or something the moment you gain control of Shepard (it's mid-conversation, he keeps talking while you move)

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madtotheskills wrote...

Check the album "Mass Effect 3 The Complete Expanded Score" by Clint Mansell, Christopher Lennertz, Cris Velasco, Sam Hulick, & Sascha Dikiciyan. There all the songs are in order of the game play. Scroll down to last ones and u will see this : Lodon hideout >> We face our Enemy Together >> Pressing Forward >> Faulty MIssiles >> Marauder Shields >> INDOCTRINATION !!!! >> I tried sheppard >> I'm proud of you >> The choice >> An end once and for all.

This is my single oficial proof about indoctrination.


Kinda cool they have Marauder Shields in there. but, the Indoctrination track is likely based on when the Illusive Man takes control of you.

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madtotheskills wrote...

Check the album "Mass Effect 3 The Complete Expanded Score" by Clint Mansell, Christopher Lennertz, Cris Velasco, Sam Hulick, & Sascha Dikiciyan. There all the songs are in order of the game play. Scroll down to last ones and u will see this : Lodon hideout >> We face our Enemy Together >> Pressing Forward >> Faulty MIssiles >> Marauder Shields >> INDOCTRINATION !!!! >> I tried sheppard >> I'm proud of you >> The choice >> An end once and for all.

This is my single oficial proof about indoctrination.


damn.

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n00bsauce2010 wrote...

madtotheskills wrote...

Check the album "Mass Effect 3 The Complete Expanded Score" by Clint Mansell, Christopher Lennertz, Cris Velasco, Sam Hulick, & Sascha Dikiciyan. There all the songs are in order of the game play. Scroll down to last ones and u will see this : Lodon hideout >> We face our Enemy Together >> Pressing Forward >> Faulty MIssiles >> Marauder Shields >> INDOCTRINATION !!!! >> I tried sheppard >> I'm proud of you >> The choice >> An end once and for all.

This is my single oficial proof about indoctrination.


damn.


"Marauder Shields" was a fan meme, this must be a fan made thing.

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madtotheskills wrote...

Check the album "Mass Effect 3 The Complete Expanded Score" by Clint Mansell, Christopher Lennertz, Cris Velasco, Sam Hulick, & Sascha Dikiciyan. There all the songs are in order of the game play. Scroll down to last ones and u will see this : Lodon hideout >> We face our Enemy Together >> Pressing Forward >> Faulty MIssiles >> Marauder Shields >> INDOCTRINATION !!!! >> I tried sheppard >> I'm proud of you >> The choice >> An end once and for all.

This is my single oficial proof about indoctrination.


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Gonna need some proof on that.

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lex0r11

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Why should Marauder Shields be in it?

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I can't really take that post any serious when it's ridicilous song names that stand out, such as "Marauder Shields" and "Sheppard" Sigh, blatant fan-stuff, with typos and missspellings.

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Oh sweet jesus, I just went down to see Mordin.

How did I miss this in my previous 11 playthroughs?!

Thats just amazing.

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Typos and misspellings could be Madtotheskills' addition.

But any soundtrack that has a song titled "Marauder Shields" can't be legit.

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byne wrote...

Oh sweet jesus, I just went down to see Mordin.

How did I miss this in my previous 11 playthroughs?!

Thats just amazing.


So...much...FEELING...

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Aw man, looks like I'm gonna have to go before I see my discovery uploaded :P Ah well. Talk to you guys tomorrow

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byne wrote...

Oh sweet jesus, I just went down to see Mordin.

How did I miss this in my previous 11 playthroughs?!

Thats just amazing.


Somethin new everyday :D!
He also has a "sex talk" with Joker over the comm concerning EDI.

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byne wrote...

Oh sweet jesus, I just went down to see Mordin.

How did I miss this in my previous 11 playthroughs?!

Thats just amazing.



I've never heard that either, do you know after what mission it happens?

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Simon_Says wrote...

Typos and misspellings could be Madtotheskills' addition.

But any soundtrack that has a song titled "Marauder Shields" can't be legit.


"Marauder Sheilds" might just be the backtrack playing when you're walking up to the beam. The rest of them look that way, "I tried Shepard," "I'm proud of you," when those parts are going. Or we can just look it up and stop speculating.

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Holy crap I wanted to go to bed two hours ago

...I should go

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KellanC wrote...

byne wrote...

Oh sweet jesus, I just went down to see Mordin.

How did I miss this in my previous 11 playthroughs?!

Thats just amazing.



I've never heard that either, do you know after what mission it happens?


When it played for me I can't remember if it was after just one or two missions of any kind as long as it isn't Priority: cure the genophage. I always check on the crew between every mission anyway so not 100% sure when this one triggered.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

KellanC wrote...

byne wrote...

Oh sweet jesus, I just went down to see Mordin.

How did I miss this in my previous 11 playthroughs?!

Thats just amazing.



I've never heard that either, do you know after what mission it happens?


When it played for me I can't remember if it was after just one or two missions of any kind as long as it isn't Priority: cure the genophage. I always check on the crew between every mission anyway so not 100% sure when this one triggered.


Yeah, I'm not sure if its after any specific mission, might just be after you go down and listen to Mordin and Eve talk a few times.

Happened for me after the mission to investigate the Rachni though, if that helps.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

KellanC wrote...

byne wrote...

Oh sweet jesus, I just went down to see Mordin.

How did I miss this in my previous 11 playthroughs?!

Thats just amazing.



I've never heard that either, do you know after what mission it happens?


When it played for me I can't remember if it was after just one or two missions of any kind as long as it isn't Priority: cure the genophage. I always check on the crew between every mission anyway so not 100% sure when this one triggered.


My 1st playthrough I was very methodic on checking every room after every mission and I never heard it. Unless I got quick fingered and hit A cutting them off. I know I did that to James once.  On my insanity run I was not as complete.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

byne wrote...

Oh sweet jesus, I just went down to see Mordin.

How did I miss this in my previous 11 playthroughs?!

Thats just amazing.


Somethin new everyday :D!
He also has a "sex talk" with Joker over the comm concerning EDI.


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Simon_Says wrote...

Typos and misspellings could be Madtotheskills' addition.

But any soundtrack that has a song titled "Marauder Shields" can't be legit.


yes sry for that, i just rushed to add the song names, when i found this out.
Here is the long list of songs:

01 Title Screen Theme
02 Menu Theme
03 Character Creation
04 The Fate of the Galaxy
05 You Look Good Shepard
06 We Fight Or We Die
07 Take My Hand
08 Waiting For Pickup
09 Leaving Earth
10 Landing On Mars
11 Cerberus Encounter
12 Liara
13 A Race to the Archives
14 Cerberus Agent Recording
15 Dodge The Turret
16 Cerberus Husk
17 Flank Them
18 The Data Archive
19 A Cerberus Agent
20 The Citadel
21 The Dream
22 The Galaxy Map
23 Battle On Menae
24 The Walk On Menae
25 Garrus
26 The Brute
27 In Search Of General Victus
28 The New EDI
29 Citadel Club Music
30 Grissom Academy
31 Grissom Academy Cerberus Battle
32 How Do We Know
33 Protect The Students
34 Krogan Air-Drop
35 The Krogan Female
36 Surkesh Battle
37 Cerberus Atlas
38 Project Crucible
39 Protect the Female
40 Who's With Me
41 Who's With Me (OST Version)
42 I've Lost Control
43 Looks Like Rachni
44 We Made It Back Outside
45 It's Kalros
46 I've Got This
47 Dodge The Lazer
48 Curing The Genophage
49 Sabotage The Genophage
50 Grunt
51 We're All Okay
52 Explore Tunnels
53 We Got Rachni
54 Take Down the Reaper Nodes
55 I'll Hold Them Off
56 The Citadel Under Attack
57 Kai Leng
58 Back On Track
59 Trust Me Ash
60 Goodbye Thane
61 Trouble At Arrae
62 Jacob
63 Activate The AA Guns
64 Leaving Arrae
65 Samara
66 The Ardat-Yakshi Monastery
67 The Banshee
68 Get to the Great Hall
69 The Great Hall
70 I Won't Kill My Last Daughter
71 Tali
72 The Battle Over Rannoch
73 Aboard the Geth Dreadnought
74 Geth Incoming
75 The Operation Center
76 Legion
77 All Ships Open Fire
78 Entering the Geth's Virtual World
79 Battle On Rannoch
80 Battle the Reaper On Rannoch
81 Rally the Fleet
82 I'm Sorry
83 Stop the Geth
84 Outpost Tykis Battle
85 The Prothean Beacon
86 Battle With Kai Leng
87 There Is Only One Way This Ends
88 Sanctuary
89 Battle At Sanctuary
90 Stay Out Of Their Reach
91 You're Safe Now
92 I Was Lost Without You
93 Cerberus Headquarters Drop Off
94 Data Console Recordings
95 The Remains Of The Proto Reaper
96 Final Battle With Kai Leng
97 Stand Strong Stand Together
98 The Fleets Arrive
99 We Need Extraction
100 London Hideout
101 We Face Our Enemy Together
102 Pressing Forward
103 Faulty Missiles
104 Marauder Shields
105 Indoctrination
106 I Tried Shepard
107 I'm Proud Of You
108 The Catalyst
109 The Choice
110 An End Once and For All
111 Credits
112 Credits (OST Version)
113 Sounds Of The Citadel
114 Squad Select Screen
115 Dreams (Full)
116 Normandy Music Player 1
117 Normandy Music Player 2
118 Normandy Music Player 3
119 Normandy Music Player 4
120 Normandy Music Player 5
121 Normandy Music Player 6
122 Normandy Music Player 7
123 Galaxy Map Reapers

Now after reading more about it from you guys, yes it may be fan made since some of the songs here arent present in the http://masseffect.wikia.com OST but some of them are present, and also contains the name of the creators of this album... OR.... it may be from that "indoctrination" that illusive man did to you when you shot Anderson.

If other ppl have info about this, please do add a feedback here, coz i am really curios if this is really true or not.

Anways untill a REAL official response is given. I'll stay true to the Indoctrination Theory.

Modifié par madtotheskills, 25 avril 2012 - 12:26 .


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So when you are sitting next to Anderson at the end and you start bleeding out, I want you to notice that the guy next you (Anderson) ISN'T bleeding, that's right, the guy who actually got shot isn't bleeding.

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KellanC wrote...

byne wrote...

Oh sweet jesus, I just went down to see Mordin.

How did I miss this in my previous 11 playthroughs?!

Thats just amazing.



I've never heard that either, do you know after what mission it happens?


Got it right after the N7: Civilian Abduction on Benning and before I started any Tuchanka missions (which are my current priority on the galaxy map).

I miss Mordin.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 25 avril 2012 - 12:15 .