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SS2Dante wrote...

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Check the album "Mass Effect 3 The Complete Expanded Score" by Clint Mansell, Christopher Lennertz, Cris Velasco, Sam Hulick, & Sascha Dikiciyan. There all the songs are in order of the game play. Scroll down to last ones and u will see this : Lodon hideout >> We face our Enemy Together >> Pressing Forward >> Faulty MIssiles >> Marauder Shields >> INDOCTRINATION !!!! >> I tried sheppard >> I'm proud of you >> The choice >> An end once and for all.

This is my single oficial proof about indoctrination.


Um...I think this is a fan thing? Unless you can give me a link?

Yeah, need something to back that up, though I question Marauder Shields being a fan selection unless this came out after the game.

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That korgan's eating my N7 hoodie! Give me back my beautiful blue babies!

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madtotheskills wrote...

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Typos and misspellings could be Madtotheskills' addition.

But any soundtrack that has a song titled "Marauder Shields" can't be legit.


yes sry for that, i just rushed to add the song names, when i found this out.
Here is the long list of songs:

01 Title Screen Theme
02 Menu Theme
03 Character Creation
04 The Fate of the Galaxy
05 You Look Good Shepard
06 We Fight Or We Die
07 Take My Hand
08 Waiting For Pickup
09 Leaving Earth
10 Landing On Mars
11 Cerberus Encounter
12 Liara
13 A Race to the Archives
14 Cerberus Agent Recording
15 Dodge The Turret
16 Cerberus Husk
17 Flank Them
18 The Data Archive
19 A Cerberus Agent
20 The Citadel
21 The Dream
22 The Galaxy Map
23 Battle On Menae
24 The Walk On Menae
25 Garrus
26 The Brute
27 In Search Of General Victus
28 The New EDI
29 Citadel Club Music
30 Grissom Academy
31 Grissom Academy Cerberus Battle
32 How Do We Know
33 Protect The Students
34 Krogan Air-Drop
35 The Krogan Female
36 Surkesh Battle
37 Cerberus Atlas
38 Project Crucible
39 Protect the Female
40 Who's With Me
41 Who's With Me (OST Version)
42 I've Lost Control
43 Looks Like Rachni
44 We Made It Back Outside
45 It's Kalros
46 I've Got This
47 Dodge The Lazer
48 Curing The Genophage
49 Sabotage The Genophage
50 Grunt
51 We're All Okay
52 Explore Tunnels
53 We Got Rachni
54 Take Down the Reaper Nodes
55 I'll Hold Them Off
56 The Citadel Under Attack
57 Kai Leng
58 Back On Track
59 Trust Me Ash
60 Goodbye Thane
61 Trouble At Arrae
62 Jacob
63 Activate The AA Guns
64 Leaving Arrae
65 Samara
66 The Ardat-Yakshi Monastery
67 The Banshee
68 Get to the Great Hall
69 The Great Hall
70 I Won't Kill My Last Daughter
71 Tali
72 The Battle Over Rannoch
73 Aboard the Geth Dreadnought
74 Geth Incoming
75 The Operation Center
76 Legion
77 All Ships Open Fire
78 Entering the Geth's Virtual World
79 Battle On Rannoch
80 Battle the Reaper On Rannoch
81 Rally the Fleet
82 I'm Sorry
83 Stop the Geth
84 Outpost Tykis Battle
85 The Prothean Beacon
86 Battle With Kai Leng
87 There Is Only One Way This Ends
88 Sanctuary
89 Battle At Sanctuary
90 Stay Out Of Their Reach
91 You're Safe Now
92 I Was Lost Without You
93 Cerberus Headquarters Drop Off
94 Data Console Recordings
95 The Remains Of The Proto Reaper
96 Final Battle With Kai Leng
97 Stand Strong Stand Together
98 The Fleets Arrive
99 We Need Extraction
100 London Hideout
101 We Face Our Enemy Together
102 Pressing Forward
103 Faulty Missiles
104 Marauder Shields
105 Indoctrination
106 I Tried Shepard
107 I'm Proud Of You
108 The Catalyst
109 The Choice
110 An End Once and For All
111 Credits
112 Credits (OST Version)
113 Sounds Of The Citadel
114 Squad Select Screen
115 Dreams (Full)
116 Normandy Music Player 1
117 Normandy Music Player 2
118 Normandy Music Player 3
119 Normandy Music Player 4
120 Normandy Music Player 5
121 Normandy Music Player 6
122 Normandy Music Player 7
123 Galaxy Map Reapers

Now after reading more about it from you guys, yes it may be fan made since some of the songs here arent present in the http://masseffect.wikia.com OST but some of them are present, and also contains the name of the creators of this album... OR.... it may be from that "indoctrination" that illusive man did to you when you shot Anderson.

If other ppl have info about this, please do add a feedback here, coz i am really curios if this is really true or not.

Anways untill a REAL official response is given. I'll stay true to the Indoctrination Theory.


So just to be sure, i went to play the last mission again, and the song 105 called indoctrination from that list, starts when shepard is teleported up top the citadel from the white bluish beam. I double checked it... alt tabed into winamp, played it, then back into game and so on.. and its the same song. Now the real question is : the name of that song, how genuine is it? .. can it be a proof, or can it be a simple coincidence, or even a "fraud" rename.

I'll keep searching for some oficial response.

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also dono if anyone else noticed this, at min 04:41, those alliance soldiers are helping other ppl, but they are totaly ignoring the child.. i mean who will leave a child behind in that kind of situation. In my opinion this supports the theory, how that child is only in Shepard's mind.

Modifié par madtotheskills, 25 avril 2012 - 01:01 .


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^^^^

Thats been used too much already. ALthough it does add credence a bit... doesn't entirely supports it.
To be honest in mass Effect universe gender inequality is long gone... so I wager screw the "women and children first"... whoever is closer to evac gets out first.

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Spartas Husky wrote...

^^^^

Thats been used too much already. ALthough it does add credence a bit... doesn't entirely supports it.
To be honest in mass Effect universe gender inequality is long gone... so I wager screw the "women and children first"... whoever is closer to evac gets out first.


Dono what to say, but i think Bioware/Ea .. were quite focused on little details, spread all around the game..  and these small details made the game awesome, and the fans go wild in searching every pixel for some extra info. So In my opinion they woudn't do this wrong with out purpose.

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madtotheskills wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Typos and misspellings could be Madtotheskills' addition.

But any soundtrack that has a song titled "Marauder Shields" can't be legit.


yes sry for that, i just rushed to add the song names, when i found this out.
Here is the long list of songs:

01 Title Screen Theme
02 Menu Theme
03 Character Creation
04 The Fate of the Galaxy
05 You Look Good Shepard
06 We Fight Or We Die
07 Take My Hand
08 Waiting For Pickup
09 Leaving Earth
10 Landing On Mars
11 Cerberus Encounter
12 Liara
13 A Race to the Archives
14 Cerberus Agent Recording
15 Dodge The Turret
16 Cerberus Husk
17 Flank Them
18 The Data Archive
19 A Cerberus Agent
20 The Citadel
21 The Dream
22 The Galaxy Map
23 Battle On Menae
24 The Walk On Menae
25 Garrus
26 The Brute
27 In Search Of General Victus
28 The New EDI
29 Citadel Club Music
30 Grissom Academy
31 Grissom Academy Cerberus Battle
32 How Do We Know
33 Protect The Students
34 Krogan Air-Drop
35 The Krogan Female
36 Surkesh Battle
37 Cerberus Atlas
38 Project Crucible
39 Protect the Female
40 Who's With Me
41 Who's With Me (OST Version)
42 I've Lost Control
43 Looks Like Rachni
44 We Made It Back Outside
45 It's Kalros
46 I've Got This
47 Dodge The Lazer
48 Curing The Genophage
49 Sabotage The Genophage
50 Grunt
51 We're All Okay
52 Explore Tunnels
53 We Got Rachni
54 Take Down the Reaper Nodes
55 I'll Hold Them Off
56 The Citadel Under Attack
57 Kai Leng
58 Back On Track
59 Trust Me Ash
60 Goodbye Thane
61 Trouble At Arrae
62 Jacob
63 Activate The AA Guns
64 Leaving Arrae
65 Samara
66 The Ardat-Yakshi Monastery
67 The Banshee
68 Get to the Great Hall
69 The Great Hall
70 I Won't Kill My Last Daughter
71 Tali
72 The Battle Over Rannoch
73 Aboard the Geth Dreadnought
74 Geth Incoming
75 The Operation Center
76 Legion
77 All Ships Open Fire
78 Entering the Geth's Virtual World
79 Battle On Rannoch
80 Battle the Reaper On Rannoch
81 Rally the Fleet
82 I'm Sorry
83 Stop the Geth
84 Outpost Tykis Battle
85 The Prothean Beacon
86 Battle With Kai Leng
87 There Is Only One Way This Ends
88 Sanctuary
89 Battle At Sanctuary
90 Stay Out Of Their Reach
91 You're Safe Now
92 I Was Lost Without You
93 Cerberus Headquarters Drop Off
94 Data Console Recordings
95 The Remains Of The Proto Reaper
96 Final Battle With Kai Leng
97 Stand Strong Stand Together
98 The Fleets Arrive
99 We Need Extraction
100 London Hideout
101 We Face Our Enemy Together
102 Pressing Forward
103 Faulty Missiles
104 Marauder Shields
105 Indoctrination
106 I Tried Shepard
107 I'm Proud Of You
108 The Catalyst
109 The Choice
110 An End Once and For All
111 Credits
112 Credits (OST Version)
113 Sounds Of The Citadel
114 Squad Select Screen
115 Dreams (Full)
116 Normandy Music Player 1
117 Normandy Music Player 2
118 Normandy Music Player 3
119 Normandy Music Player 4
120 Normandy Music Player 5
121 Normandy Music Player 6
122 Normandy Music Player 7
123 Galaxy Map Reapers

Now after reading more about it from you guys, yes it may be fan made since some of the songs here arent present in the http://masseffect.wikia.com OST but some of them are present, and also contains the name of the creators of this album... OR.... it may be from that "indoctrination" that illusive man did to you when you shot Anderson.

If other ppl have info about this, please do add a feedback here, coz i am really curios if this is really true or not.

Anways untill a REAL official response is given. I'll stay true to the Indoctrination Theory.


Where on Earth do you get THAT soundtrack? The one I have only has 25 tracks. 

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Domanese wrote...

Quick Question, I haven't tried this myself but what happens if you turn the music off during the final choice? Like if you say picked control is there anything hidden that the music might mask?


It doesnt entirely "mask" it, but it really sounds like the "echo" of your pistol firing sounds like someone saying "Shep...ard..." during the final choice sequence. It comes only out of the rear speakers (even if you're spinning around as you're shooting), and is much easier to hear if you turn the music off. Pretty creepy. 

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HellishFiend wrote...

Domanese wrote...

Quick Question, I haven't tried this myself but what happens if you turn the music off during the final choice? Like if you say picked control is there anything hidden that the music might mask?


It doesnt entirely "mask" it, but it really sounds like the "echo" of your pistol firing sounds like someone saying "Shep...ard..." during the final choice sequence. It comes only out of the rear speakers (even if you're spinning around as you're shooting), and is much easier to hear if you turn the music off. Pretty creepy. 


Personally Im interested to see if anything comes of the music being off during say control or synthesis ending with the sound maxed.

Modifié par Domanese, 25 avril 2012 - 01:47 .


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I was playing the earth mission again and I found it interesting how the kept mentioning that only 50% of hammer had landed or somethin like that. Maybe this is foreshadowing for the EC, you wake up and finish the fight with the rest of the hammer forces? I dunno probably wrong but food for thought lol

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Beastpwnguy7 wrote...

I was playing the earth mission again and I found it interesting how the kept mentioning that only 50% of hammer had landed or somethin like that. Maybe this is foreshadowing for the EC, you wake up and finish the fight with the rest of the hammer forces? I dunno probably wrong but food for thought lol


I had the distinct impression that the 50% that hadn't landed was in fact destroyed, shot out of the sky.

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Did anyone notice the interference in Legion's voice during the Consensus mission? I believe it was never mentioned afterwards and never explained in the game. Though it might just have been to get the player into thinking that he is killing Legion by wiping the server. So there's no IT significance in it.

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ZerebusPrime wrote...

Beastpwnguy7 wrote...

I was playing the earth mission again and I found it interesting how the kept mentioning that only 50% of hammer had landed or somethin like that. Maybe this is foreshadowing for the EC, you wake up and finish the fight with the rest of the hammer forces? I dunno probably wrong but food for thought lol


I had the distinct impression that the 50% that hadn't landed was in fact destroyed, shot out of the sky.


Could be that too but it was never explicitly stated, at least I'm pretty sure it wasn't. Either way it's just somethin to think about.

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Good evening everyone. This is Associate of Awesomesauce A. Carolus reporting in to peers at the Indoctrination Theory Technical Institute of Indoctrination Studies.

Audio anomolies have been discovered within files wwise_norhub_dream.010 & 0.12. Audio analysis has determined the existance of a single word/phrase with three distinct syllables. Audio recognition declares the syllable spikes to annunciate "hAUbinzEr"

Refer to this link at seconds 1:18-1:20 and 1:37; the tonal spikes at 1:37 are beyond vocal determination, due to speed, volume, and clarity, however are parallel to that of 1:18-1:20 in syllable formation.

www.youtube.com/watch

Another file, wwise_norhub_dreams.006, (a better known file), also utilizes the same annunciation, accept with an addition single syllable unit: "hAUbinzEr-JUghr" at 0:46 - 0:49. This is a commonly refered to file, listed for comparison.

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Seventeen minutes without activity? Not on my watch!

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Good evening everyone. This is Associate of Awesomesauce A. Carolus reporting in to peers at the Indoctrination Theory Technical Institute of Indoctrination Studies.

Audio anomolies have been discovered within files wwise_norhub_dream.010 & 0.12. Audio analysis has determined the existance of a single word/phrase with three distinct syllables. Audio recognition declares the syllable spikes to annunciate "hAUbinzEr"

Refer to this link at seconds 1:18-1:20 and 1:37; the tonal spikes at 1:37 are beyond vocal determination, due to speed, volume, and clarity, however are parallel to that of 1:18-1:20 in syllable formation.

www.youtube.com/watch

Another file, wwise_norhub_dreams.006, (a better known file), also utilizes the same annunciation, accept with an addition single syllable unit: "hAUbinzEr-JUghr" at 0:46 - 0:49. This is a commonly refered to file, listed for comparison.


When exactly does file 22 play, in-game?

Modifié par Simon_Says, 25 avril 2012 - 03:09 .


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Hello people, so whats new?

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Simon_Says wrote...

Seventeen minutes without activity? Not on my watch!

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Good evening everyone. This is Associate of Awesomesauce A. Carolus reporting in to peers at the Indoctrination Theory Technical Institute of Indoctrination Studies.

Audio anomolies have been discovered within files wwise_norhub_dream.010 & 0.12. Audio analysis has determined the existance of a single word/phrase with three distinct syllables. Audio recognition declares the syllable spikes to annunciate "hAUbinzEr"

Refer to this link at seconds 1:18-1:20 and 1:37; the tonal spikes at 1:37 are beyond vocal determination, due to speed, volume, and clarity, however are parallel to that of 1:18-1:20 in syllable formation.

www.youtube.com/watch

Another file, wwise_norhub_dreams.006, (a better known file), also utilizes the same annunciation, accept with an addition single syllable unit: "hAUbinzEr-JUghr" at 0:46 - 0:49. This is a commonly refered to file, listed for comparison.


When exactly does file 22 play, in-game?


Dream 2. I don't remember it in my runs through, but I can be heard along several other dream files playing at once. www.youtube.com/watch

The Reaper horn appears to be intentionally minimized by fluxuating the fx volume.

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Well. That's it.

Whatever doubt I had is officially wormfood.

#43395
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New? Holding Pattern until EC comes out, basically.

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Simon_Says wrote...

Well. That's it.

Whatever doubt I had is officially wormfood.


My doubt was wormfood ever since I watched the ACAVYOS IT video on youtube. So I guess you could say once I was informed, I never had any doubt. I'm not really sure why people are so inclined to think that Bioware is incapable of pulling something like this off. I'm also not really sure why they all of a sudden think they are a bunch of screwup instead of giving them the benefit of the doubt. 

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

Good evening everyone. This is Associate of Awesomesauce A. Carolus reporting in to peers at the Indoctrination Theory Technical Institute of Indoctrination Studies.

Audio anomolies have been discovered within files wwise_norhub_dream.010 & 0.12. Audio analysis has determined the existance of a single word/phrase with three distinct syllables. Audio recognition declares the syllable spikes to annunciate "hAUbinzEr"

Refer to this link at seconds 1:18-1:20 and 1:37; the tonal spikes at 1:37 are beyond vocal determination, due to speed, volume, and clarity, however are parallel to that of 1:18-1:20 in syllable formation.

www.youtube.com/watch

Another file, wwise_norhub_dreams.006, (a better known file), also utilizes the same annunciation, accept with an addition single syllable unit: "hAUbinzEr-JUghr" at 0:46 - 0:49. This is a commonly refered to file, listed for comparison.


OK, I am now officialy creeped out. Why do I listen to these before I go to bed?

But that's interesting. Especially the weird echoes with the kid the first time... I didn't hear that at all the first time I went through.

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Lokanaiya wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Good evening everyone. This is Associate of Awesomesauce A. Carolus reporting in to peers at the Indoctrination Theory Technical Institute of Indoctrination Studies.

Audio anomolies have been discovered within files wwise_norhub_dream.010 & 0.12. Audio analysis has determined the existance of a single word/phrase with three distinct syllables. Audio recognition declares the syllable spikes to annunciate "hAUbinzEr"

Refer to this link at seconds 1:18-1:20 and 1:37; the tonal spikes at 1:37 are beyond vocal determination, due to speed, volume, and clarity, however are parallel to that of 1:18-1:20 in syllable formation.

www.youtube.com/watch

Another file, wwise_norhub_dreams.006, (a better known file), also utilizes the same annunciation, accept with an addition single syllable unit: "hAUbinzEr-JUghr" at 0:46 - 0:49. This is a commonly refered to file, listed for comparison.


OK, I am now officialy creeped out. Why do I listen to these before I go to bed?

But that's interesting. Especially the weird echoes with the kid the first time... I didn't hear that at all the first time I went through.


Will it help you sleep better to know that Bioware likely got the idea of Indoctrination from cases of demonic influence? Posted Image

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Good evening everyone. This is Associate of Awesomesauce A. Carolus reporting in to peers at the Indoctrination Theory Technical Institute of Indoctrination Studies.

Audio anomolies have been discovered within files wwise_norhub_dream.010 & 0.12. Audio analysis has determined the existance of a single word/phrase with three distinct syllables. Audio recognition declares the syllable spikes to annunciate "hAUbinzEr"

Refer to this link at seconds 1:18-1:20 and 1:37; the tonal spikes at 1:37 are beyond vocal determination, due to speed, volume, and clarity, however are parallel to that of 1:18-1:20 in syllable formation.

www.youtube.com/watch

Another file, wwise_norhub_dreams.006, (a better known file), also utilizes the same annunciation, accept with an addition single syllable unit: "hAUbinzEr-JUghr" at 0:46 - 0:49. This is a commonly refered to file, listed for comparison.


OK, I am now officialy creeped out. Why do I listen to these before I go to bed?

But that's interesting. Especially the weird echoes with the kid the first time... I didn't hear that at all the first time I went through.


Will it help you sleep better to know that Bioware likely got the idea of Indoctrination from cases of demonic influence? Posted Image


:blink:

Well, who needs sleep anyway.... There's always coffee for the morning....

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Whats is the video that is officially wormfoodizing people's doubts? I wanna do that to my doubts too.