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[Sl4sh3r]

Lugaidster wrote...

Sl4sh3r wrote...

If any of this is true, they screwed over their own game...

http://www.metacriti...-3/user-reviews

To be honest, those would be low regardless. The gay romance option and the day 1 DLC are both enraging enough to some to actually bombard metacritic with low scores. So the fact that they are low because of the endings wouldn't mean that they woudln't be low if the endings were good.

As many who say that the ending haters are a vocal minority, it's most likely that if we didn't have a problem with the game, we wouldn't bother posting there. For that very reason, I don't pay much attention to the aggregation of user reviews. I've never bothered posting there and I loved both ME games before.

Good point. I just really hope they fix this.

Not only do I want some closure/epicness for the ending. I also want(ed) Mass Effect to go down as one of the best trologies ever, because it is... up until those last 15 minutes...

[Omilophile]

JasonTan87 wrote...

The person who names it in game is significant, because it is this person which assigns the primary context that significance of the name functions in. 

That was a joke...hence the overly happy smiley...

[Astarotte24]

Well there is one fact that makes me 100% sure that this is sort of hallucination//strugle inside mind. When he gets hit by the beam he wears armor, then we see him during "fishy" last 10 min without N7 armor. And after obtaining "best" ending where he lives we see him again in N7 armor.

How is that possible ? Also all the trouble of getting war assets and score has to mean something. The ending where you need the best score is the one where we see him "awekening".

So conclusion: Its not over yet.

[Iam2ugly]

well even if the kid was alive and died on earth, doesn't means that indoctrination/hallucination theory is not valid. Why? Because Shep from the moment of this kid death fell remorse about him, hence the dreams. The "godlike" creature could scanned shep memory, and chose the appearance of this boy exactly because of fillings shep had about him. Guilt that while he is alive, the kid died. And thus making it easier for shep to decide not to kill him "again" and chose what reapers wants, which will make indoctrination successful. But if you chose to destroy, you end up alive, free from being indoctrinated.

But one thing is crossing my mind. What if this great theory is true, and there will be no ending DLC? Wouldn't that mean that everything we did in ME 1, 2 and 3 are in vein? because reapers won? And the cycle will continue? ****. All this crap because we took a beam to the knee

And sorry if something makes no sense, English is not my specialty

[Venusyl]

Do not trust MetaCritic site for this game. Most of them are haters, another most of them want play Sims or they not like RPG or they confuse the Mass Effect series a FPS game and just press "0" and go. Only which people if not know anything about this game give this game "0" point.

[SogaBan]

sheppard7 wrote...

The endings might be why the prices on eBay have dropped to almost retail prices for the CE. Sellers are now trying to just recoup their money? But you can still pick them up at local gamestops from the cancels.

Thanks for the info. If you have a link and a proof, please post it on :

http://social.biowar...index/9658945/1

It would be a pointer to the blind eyes at BioWare of what worse may happen should they refuse to change the ending through update/patch/DLC.

[Nimrodell]

The problem with hallucination theories is actually in the very end - Stargazer is shown as narrator - meaning, the one  who could be lying or just making the entire story up. No one could've known what really happened on the Citadel with Catalyst - just no one could've known how it all ended for Shepard and what transpired there, especially if the final solution was synthesis or control - all involved in that event actually died. Stargazer is on 'two moon' planet, no mass relays and if he's indeed a descendant from Normandy crew - he just couldn't know how it all actually happened after the beam picked up Shepard. Maybe player actually choose the lie he'll tell to the child.

Edit: typo.

Modifié par Nimrodell, 12 mars 2012 - 02:32 .

[Lurchibald]

Another thing, the Reapers have to be a bit more scared of the current galatic races for the sheer fact that the Thanix Cannon they have outfitted their ships with was developed by the Turians after they secretly salvaged Sovereigns intact main gun (all guns before were never developed directly off of a reaper weapon)

[xDarkspace]

Nimrodell wrote...

The problem with hallucination theories is actually in the very end - Stargazer is shown as narrator - meaning, who could be lying or just making the entire story up. No one could've known what really happened on the Citadel with Catalyst - just no one could've known how it all ended for Shepard and what transpired there, especially if the final solution was synthesis or control - all involved in that event actually died. Stargazer is on 'two moon' planet, no mass relays and if he's indeed a descendant from Normandy crew - he just couldn't know how it all actually happened after the beam picked up Shepard. Maybe player actually choose the lie he'll tell to the child.

or its very far in the future and they are a pre space race and they found liaras box with commander shepard in it

[Anthraxius Omega]

I just would like to throw this into the ring, maybe to discredit the indoctrination:

1. I have a 100% Paragon Shepard, zero renegade.
2. I never used facial surgery, all my wounds healed by paragon actions.
3. Reapers are master of nano tech.

4. When I landed on the citadel, all my scars glowed bright orange/red, which they never did before. Why?
5. What if this strange tech from Cerberus was used by the reapers nanotech to access Shepard brain, and then initiating the "end" sequence without indoctrination?

Again: Why did Shepards Scars suddendly flare up?

[Soilworker77]

David Bergsma wrote...

Soilworker77 wrote...

One thing I am wondering about after you get hit by the red laser beam, is what happend to Shepards armor?

You run down towards the Citadel beam thing, then boom you get hit and all of a sudden the armor is gone? Doesn't make sense to me, and yet if the armor got vaporized or some such, wouldn't Shepard have severe burns in that case?

He has severe burns, he's pratically a walking corpse 'till the death of Anderson. Then, all of a sudden, he starts to talk with ghosts, runnin' (He has a hole the size of a fist in his belly btw), shooting and so on. It doesn't make any sense.

Yes, that is true, all of those things point at an hallucination and when you wake up after being knocked out Shepard is gasping for air, so yeah, it must be a Reaper influenced hallucination, what else could it be?

[Lugaidster]

Melrache wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Melrache wrote...

I hope this ain't true, sure add more endings, if you so please, but don't take away the one I already have. Sure the ending is confusing, but if we start throwing indoctrination around, then the game is already lost. Nobody has properly survived the indoctrination, Shiala was able to resist it, but she wasn't human. So unless the super human Shep goes even more super, the people who are crying for happy ending would seemingly lose that as well.

You're not making a very compelling argument there. Just because no one has been able to resist indoctrination doesn't mean they Shepard can't. I mean, we're fighting the reapers, by your logic we can't defeat them because no one has done so before. If that's true then Shepard should've shot himself a long time ago (not before getting wasted and having frantic sex with everything that moved).

Cheers

Indoctrination isn't same as fighting Reapers physically, my argument works. You just can't see it.

People have destroyed Reapers before and with right kind of weaponry it was proven to be possible. However there has been no evidence of anyone escaping indoctrination.

People have destroyed reapers, but actually beaten them? Following the analogy with the indoctrination it would be as saying people have fought and delayed indoctrination but not actually escaped it.  As such, my original point stands: the fact that no one has escaped it doesn't mean that someone can't escape it.

Protheans seemed to know that they could've defeated them, if they just had realized few things earlier. Indoctrination isn't same as beating the Reapers. Just silly comparison.

Though it would be even better storytelling to have Shepard overcome such thing, simply because he's Shepard. Not that I couldn't see that happening to appease the crazy fanbase.

Just as silly as having something as "crazy" as a mass relay. It's Sci-fi! Again, it's not established in the lore that you can't escape indoctrination, the only thing established is that no one has (and there's barely any evidence of that in any case). You're just pulling threads here. Whether or not this ending is indoctrination, claiming that escaping it is impossible because no one has ever done it is a pretty weak argument against what's being proposed.

And by the way: "Not that I couldn't see that happening to appease the crazy fanbase. " Really? I'm not going to even bother anymore... ¬¬

[humes spork]

Lugaidster wrote...

To be honest, those would be low regardless. The gay romance option and the day 1 DLC are both enraging enough to some to actually bombard metacritic with low scores. So the fact that they are low because of the endings wouldn't mean that they woudln't be low if the endings were good.

Day 1 DLC okay I can buy that, especially under the circumstances with ME3's. The gay romance option I have a very hard time taking seriously, especially considering a large number of those protesting it doth do so too much. Remember, these are the same people who love Gears of War which somehow surpasses even Cho Aniki in homoeroticism.

[N3vDawg]

Nimrodell wrote...

The problem with hallucination theories is actually in the very end - Stargazer is shown as narrator - meaning, the one  who could be lying or just making the entire story up. No one could've known what really happened on the Citadel with Catalyst - just no one could've known how it all ended for Shepard and what transpired there, especially if the final solution was synthesis or control - all involved in that event actually died. Stargazer is on 'two moon' planet, no mass relays and if he's indeed a descendant from Normandy crew - he just couldn't know how it all actually happened after the beam picked up Shepard. Maybe player actually choose the lie he'll tell to the child.

Edit: typo.

Some think it's a nod to Carl Sagan. Others think it's purely used an opening for more dlc.

[Lambchopz]

Lugaidster wrote...

Sl4sh3r wrote...

If any of this is true, they screwed over their own game...

http://www.metacriti...-3/user-reviews

To be honest, those would be low regardless. The gay romance option and the day 1 DLC are both enraging enough to some to actually bombard metacritic with low scores. So the fact that they are low because of the endings wouldn't mean that they woudln't be low if the endings were good.

As many who say that the ending haters are a vocal minority, it's most likely that if we didn't have a problem with the game, we wouldn't bother posting there. For that very reason, I don't pay much attention to the aggregation of user reviews. I've never bothered posting there and I loved both ME games before.

I'm pretty sure the majority of those 0/10s and the like are just trolls bombarding ME3 for stupid reasons, or none at all. Metacritic is not a very reliable way to judge the score of games.

I may be a minority within this minority in that even if the ending doesn't change I'm still pretty happy with ME3.

My gripes about the ending don't leave me with a sour taste in my mouth -- Just one that is bland and uninspiring.

I would love to see it expanded but the series and the game isn't dead or a waste to me just because of this. I just think the quality of the ending doesn't do the trilogy justice.

[Nimrodell]

xDarkspace wrote...

Nimrodell wrote...

The problem with hallucination theories is actually in the very end - Stargazer is shown as narrator - meaning, who could be lying or just making the entire story up. No one could've known what really happened on the Citadel with Catalyst - just no one could've known how it all ended for Shepard and what transpired there, especially if the final solution was synthesis or control - all involved in that event actually died. Stargazer is on 'two moon' planet, no mass relays and if he's indeed a descendant from Normandy crew - he just couldn't know how it all actually happened after the beam picked up Shepard. Maybe player actually choose the lie he'll tell to the child.

or its very far in the future and they are a pre space race and they found liaras box with commander shepard in it

Again, all that saw what happened are actually dead - til Earth assault every thing could be kept in Liara's time capsules or whatever - but no one can know how things went after transportation beam point. All involved in that part died - no one left to relate the story and with no means to do that, since relays were destroyed. The endings could be just Stargazer's supposition or lie - 'cause he's a narrator.

[SparkyRich]

I did not like the endings. That said, they were both pretty darned cool. What annoyed me was that I didn't get to retire to Rannoch with Tali! My reputation was apparently too low.... And she was crashed on a planet where she was doomed to starve to death (or the rest of the crew was doomed to starve, depending on which base the life on that planet was - guessing she dies since the post-credit scene is of humans). I suppose I'd better go back and max out my reputation so I can take care of Tali....

We could hope that within a few generations the scientists (Asari, Rachni and Geth, primarily I'd think due to population counts and lifespans) should be able to re-create mass relay tech from the basic understanding of mass effect theory that they already have. So, later Mass Effect games could be pre- or post-invasion, but post-invasion would probably be WAY later.

[erikage]

I personally thought the Stargazer scene was just a scene saying there will be more Mass Effect games. Nothing meant for the actual story itself.

[N3vDawg]

humes spork wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

To be honest, those would be low regardless. The gay romance option and the day 1 DLC are both enraging enough to some to actually bombard metacritic with low scores. So the fact that they are low because of the endings wouldn't mean that they woudln't be low if the endings were good.

Day 1 DLC okay I can buy that, especially under the circumstances with ME3's. The gay romance option I have a very hard time taking seriously, especially considering a large number of those protesting it doth do so too much. Remember, these are the same people who love Gears of War which somehow surpasses even Cho Aniki in homoeroticism.

The people that get bugged by the gay romance are the same ones who would have the government make gay marriage illegal. It bugs them cause it's there and they don't understand it I guess. I just didn't do it. Why? Same reason I wouldn't do it in real life, I'm simply not gay and I had no problem with there being an option. It really bugs me how ignorant the fan base gets sometimes. Makes me sad.

[Goddy10]

Another thing I'd like to point out is the severe lack of any criticism about the endings from major critics. IGN, Gamespot, Eurogamer, Game Informer. None of them mentioned the endings at all, and if they did they praised them.

Perhaps ths indoctrination ending was provided to them to criticize after they were gagged with a non-discloser?

[Nimrodell]

N3vDawg wrote...

Nimrodell wrote...

The problem with hallucination theories is actually in the very end - Stargazer is shown as narrator - meaning, the one  who could be lying or just making the entire story up. No one could've known what really happened on the Citadel with Catalyst - just no one could've known how it all ended for Shepard and what transpired there, especially if the final solution was synthesis or control - all involved in that event actually died. Stargazer is on 'two moon' planet, no mass relays and if he's indeed a descendant from Normandy crew - he just couldn't know how it all actually happened after the beam picked up Shepard. Maybe player actually choose the lie he'll tell to the child.

Edit: typo.

Some think it's a nod to Carl Sagan. Others think it's purely used an opening for more dlc.

Exactly, it's probably opening for new DLC but it also can be salvation for BW itself and this whole endings anger phenomena, since Stargazer was actually telling the whole story - meaning - they could use that point to show what really happened since this was just a story from an old man. Kid says - did that all really happened? and Stargazer says - yes, but some details were lost in time... and also, no one was up on the Citadel to actually relate to others what happened in those final moments.

[Rifneno]

Nimrodell wrote...

Again, all that saw what happened are actually dead - til Earth assault every thing could be kept in Liara's time capsules or whatever - but no one can know how things went after transportation beam point. All involved in that part died - no one left to relate the story and with no means to do that, since relays were destroyed. The endings could be just Stargazer's supposition or lie - 'cause he's a narrator.

Just because he told the kid a story doesn't mean he's been a narrator through the entire series.  Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.  Sometimes an alien just finds a time capsule made by an asari full of stories about her BFF.
...  Okay, that sounds kind of messed up but still...

[FrostByte-GER]

Anthraxius Omega wrote...

I just would like to throw this into the ring, maybe to discredit the indoctrination:

1. I have a 100% Paragon Shepard, zero renegade.
2. I never used facial surgery, all my wounds healed by paragon actions.
3. Reapers are master of nano tech.

4. When I landed on the citadel, all my scars glowed bright orange/red, which they never did before. Why?
5. What if this strange tech from Cerberus was used by the reapers nanotech to access Shepard brain, and then initiating the "end" sequence without indoctrination?

Again: Why did Shepards Scars suddendly flare up?

This is what I mean! This is impossible!

Like the others have said: It's not over yet! There is something that we miss and it's our mission to discover it. Shepard said it: There is a hope!

Modifié par FrostByte-GER, 12 mars 2012 - 02:50 .

[rektor99]

I know the ending sucked, but the trilogy is over right? Shepard Stopped the reapers.
I dont really think bioware will make a new ending. The ending in red dead redemption was also a little sad, but perhaps they will make a new mass effect sorta game, with new characters and stuff..
A new dlc ending seems to good to be true

[Lparsons7641]

Reapers ARE beatable and they know it. The codex mentions the Turians having some success, as well as the Asari. Our fleet does damage to them, and we can see how they are beatable on the ground. Their most powerful weapon however is there indoctrination by far.