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[balance5050]

spotlessvoid wrote...

If one is assuming the dreams where part of the indoctrination process, then isn't it interesting the whispers are also present in the music during the one sequence we KNOW Shepard is under control/indoctrinated by TIM? (Or Harbinger, depending on your take)

Regardless of the tracks name, if it truly is the one playing during TIMs control over Shepard, and there actually are the same whispers from the dream sequences present, then it seems to be a pretty significant connection.

I'm going to have to check that out when I get off of work

Yeah, theyre the same whispers.

My problem is that they did a crap job of separating the dreams from indoctrination symptoms if dreams truly have nothing to do with indoctrination. The dreams just seems to sinister for there to not be an alien influence.

[ZerebusPrime]

balance5050 wrote...


My problem is that they did a crap job of separating the dreams from indoctrination symptoms if dreams truly have nothing to do with indoctrination. The dreams just seems to sinister for there to not be an alien influence.

I agree.  If those were just dreams, then why on Earth did we get the symbolism we got?  The oilly shadows, the burning Shepard, the whispers, none of it does a good job of matching PTSD and a sense of Shepard failing the galaxy.  It does, however, do a very good job of hinting at the process of indoctrination.

[ExtendedCut]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Hunter_Wolf wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
Agreed. I can't even force myself to pick one of the other endings. It's Destroy for me. Synthesis feels especially terrible because it's so incredibly lore-breaking.

I don't consider it lore breaking one giving it some thought. I just look to Illusive Man or Saren who saw their own delusions of a perfect ending. All I end up with is Shepard is now a husk with a personality but under complete control of the Reapers. 

Of course that is not the actual story Bioware set for us in the game but everytime I think it over I just tell myself, "This is wrong." Even if taking Bioware's design to heart, aside from the fact you're also forcing species out there not even involved to evolve based on your decision alone. This is destroying Freedom of choice for other species who cannot step up and say that they do not desire this. 


It's also against what my Paragon Shepard stood for in ME2.

Yeah that was the same thing I thought, with especially the Geth and Legion echoing in my mind. They fought to choose a future for themsleves, that is what they want and now I can strip away that choice in moment...as hard as it was i would rather risk their death than violate one of their fundamental beliefs.

And i did not beleive for a second this could end in any way but the total destruction of the Reapers.

Yeah.  For three games, the mantra has been nothing except "Must Kill Reapers, Must Kill Reapers!" .   And suddenly, in the last five minutes, this little deus ex machina Starkid is like "Nah, don't kill 'em, that's a stupid idea!".

[SS2Dante]

So...this.

http://www.escapistm...-style-spoilers

[Earthborn_Shepard]

SS2Dante wrote...

So...this.

http://www.escapistm...-style-spoilers

what.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Oh god.. I just discovered something terrible..



This is a strong indicator that Shep really WAS on the Citadel.
It also hints at Shep really being alive on the earth ground, but- still

[delphonic]

SS2Dante wrote...

So...this.

http://www.escapistm...-style-spoilers

I hate rEApers

[balance5050]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Oh god.. I just discovered something terrible..



This is a strong indicator that Shep really WAS on the Citadel.
It also hints at Shep really being alive on the earth ground, but- still

NONONONONO! That pulse is constantly happening during that scene, and the pulse would have shot him into space not to Earth, which was above you and on the other side of the crucible.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

balance5050 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Oh god.. I just discovered something terrible..



This is a strong indicator that Shep really WAS on the Citadel.
It also hints at Shep really being alive on the earth ground, but- still

NONONONONO! That pulse is constantly happening during that scene, and the pulse would have shot him into space not to Earth, which was above you and on the other side of the crucible.

Really? But Shep's body isn't there any longer..
which could also be IT evidence..
Bioware, Y U play with ma feelings?

[balance5050]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Oh god.. I just discovered something terrible..



This is a strong indicator that Shep really WAS on the Citadel.
It also hints at Shep really being alive on the earth ground, but- still

NONONONONO! That pulse is constantly happening during that scene, and the pulse would have shot him into space not to Earth, which was above you and on the other side of the crucible.

Really? But Shep's body isn't there any longer..
which could also be IT evidence..
Bioware, Y U play with ma feelings?

Just because it says something in a video doesn't make it so, his body was in the smoke plume, the conduit was no longer active because the crucible attached to that point.

[ExtendedCut]

balance5050 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Oh god.. I just discovered something terrible..



This is a strong indicator that Shep really WAS on the Citadel.
It also hints at Shep really being alive on the earth ground, but- still

NONONONONO! That pulse is constantly happening during that scene, and the pulse would have shot him into space not to Earth, which was above you and on the other side of the crucible.

I don't get it.  Where in that scene is there any indication that Shepard was actually IN the beam?  He body wasn't present because a) it never really happened at all, or he was incinerated in that explosion.

[Xavendithas]

Xavendithas wrote...

I'm playing through the game for the second time and with the IT firmly in the back of my mind causing me to see everything in a slightly different light. Forgive me if this has been mentioned somewhere else in this thread but, nearly 1800 pages is a lot to sift through.

Did anyone else notice the strange, almost decaying look to Shepard's hands throughout the game? He wears the stress of the 3 games on his face at all times but, I noticed how weird his hands looked in my first playthrough and wrote it off as just the way the character model was designed. Now it makes me think of a husk and the physical changes a human might go through if they were being indoctrinated slowly.

/shrug...just something I noticed and it is bugging me.

Just bumping my own question, I may be suffering from a bad case of too much speculations... but I was curious if anyone noticed this at all.

[Simon_Says]

ExtendedCut wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Oh god.. I just discovered something terrible..



This is a strong indicator that Shep really WAS on the Citadel.
It also hints at Shep really being alive on the earth ground, but- still

NONONONONO!
That pulse is constantly happening during that scene, and the pulse
would have shot him into space not to Earth, which was above you and on
the other side of the crucible.

I don't get it. 
Where in that scene is there any indication that Shepard was actually IN
the beam?  He body wasn't present because a) it never really happened
at all, or he was incinerated in that explosion.

... Or that whole sequence was a beacon-style third-person vision.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 25 avril 2012 - 07:47 .

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Okaaay okay I kinda overreacted Now that I rewatch it it's not so clear anymore

[balance5050]

Good, that crucible pulse idea was truly reaching, saw it like 2 weeks ago.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Oh god.. I just discovered something terrible..



This is a strong indicator that Shep really WAS on the Citadel.
It also hints at Shep really being alive on the earth ground, but- still

There is a whole lot of smoke in the supposed "Shepard is not there" area I would not put two cents on him beeing there or not. Also if he was "teleported" then it opens yet another can of worms since teleportation (except arguably Mass relays and the Crucible is definetly not a Mass relay) is not a part of the Mass Effect lore.

Also even if it was Relay technology it would need an anchor point, a place to end. I highly doubt there is a realy In London...

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 25 avril 2012 - 07:54 .

[Tirian Thorn]

http://www.gamesthir...s-casey-hudson/    (from last month.)

So after reading this I am more annoyed at the ending and less hopeful for an IDT ending. 

I feel like Hudson had a plan but obviously didn't involve the rest of the writing staff... that's bad... 

I mean if Hudson came up with an IT ending, it would be better to keep as few people as possible in the know so it's harder to leak, but still.... 

[balance5050]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

http://www.gamesthir...s-casey-hudson/    (from last month.)

So after reading this I am more annoyed at the ending and less hopeful for an IDT ending. 

I feel like Hudson had a plan but obviously didn't involve the rest of the writing staff... that's bad... 

I mean if Hudson came up with an IT ending, it would be better to keep as few people as possible in the know so it's harder to leak, but still.... 

OLD!  It doesn't explain that the ending was written towards the beginning/middle of development.

[Sero303]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Oh god.. I just discovered something terrible..



This is a strong indicator that Shep really WAS on the Citadel.
It also hints at Shep really being alive on the earth ground, but- still

There is a whole lot of smoke in the supposed "Shepard is not there" area I would not put two cents on him beeing there or not. Also if he was "teleported" then it opens yet another can of worms since teleportation (except arguably Mass relays and the Crucible is definetly not a Mass relay) is not a part of the Mass Effect lore.

Also even if it was Relay technology it would need an anchor point, a place to end. I highly doubt there is a realy In London...

Not that I'm supporting the whole "Shepard teleportation" nonsense, ( IDT believer here ) BUT
MAYBE,...maybe the "conduit" in London, is the prothean build relay known as the 'conduit" in ME1, it was placed in london by the reapers becase it's end point is in the citadel?

[schneeland]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

http://www.gamesthir...s-casey-hudson/    (from last month.)

So after reading this I am more annoyed at the ending and less hopeful for an IDT ending. 

I feel like Hudson had a plan but obviously didn't involve the rest of the writing staff... that's bad... 

I mean if Hudson came up with an IT ending, it would be better to keep as few people as possible in the know so it's harder to leak, but still.... 

That story has been around for quite a while - while there is probably some truth in it, I doubt that it can be taken to be 100% true.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

http://www.gamesthir...s-casey-hudson/    (from last month.)

So after reading this I am more annoyed at the ending and less hopeful for an IDT ending. 

I feel like Hudson had a plan but obviously didn't involve the rest of the writing staff... that's bad... 

I mean if Hudson came up with an IT ending, it would be better to keep as few people as possible in the know so it's harder to leak, but still.... 

That's fake. The guy who was supposed to have written that stated on his twitter (I think) that he didn't say anything like that.

[Tirian Thorn]

balance5050 wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

http://www.gamesthir...s-casey-hudson/ (from last month.)

So after reading this I am more annoyed at the ending and less hopeful for an IDT ending.

I feel like Hudson had a plan but obviously didn't involve the rest of the writing staff... that's bad...

I mean if Hudson came up with an IT ending, it would be better to keep as few people as possible in the know so it's harder to leak, but still....

OLD! It doesn't explain that the ending was written towards the beginning/middle of development.

 
I know it’s old. I just don’t like the idea of one person making all the decisions for something that was a collaborative effort. 
 

schneeland wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

http://www.gamesthir...s-casey-hudson/ (from last month.)

So after reading this I am more annoyed at the ending and less hopeful for an IDT ending.

I feel like Hudson had a plan but obviously didn't involve the rest of the writing staff... that's bad...

I mean if Hudson came up with an IT ending, it would be better to keep as few people as possible in the know so it's harder to leak, but still....

That story has been around for quite a while - while there is probably some truth in it, I doubt that it can be taken to be 100% true.

I’m not quoting it as gospel or anything. 

[Tirian Thorn]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

http://www.gamesthir...s-casey-hudson/    (from last month.)

So after reading this I am more annoyed at the ending and less hopeful for an IDT ending. 

I feel like Hudson had a plan but obviously didn't involve the rest of the writing staff... that's bad... 

I mean if Hudson came up with an IT ending, it would be better to keep as few people as possible in the know so it's harder to leak, but still.... 

That's fake. The guy who was supposed to have written that stated on his twitter (I think) that he didn't say anything like that.

Definately long and well written, but Id be fine if it weren't true. 

[ExtendedCut]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

http://www.gamesthir...s-casey-hudson/    (from last month.)

So after reading this I am more annoyed at the ending and less hopeful for an IDT ending. 

I feel like Hudson had a plan but obviously didn't involve the rest of the writing staff... that's bad... 

I mean if Hudson came up with an IT ending, it would be better to keep as few people as possible in the know so it's harder to leak, but still.... 

Hasn't the validity of this guy been questioned?  I thought this was a hoax? 

At the very least,  I would need some kind of confirmation of this guy's credentials other than his word on an internet forum.

EDIT: Earthborn Shepard confirmed my doubts as I was typing this.

Modifié par ExtendedCut, 25 avril 2012 - 08:10 .

[schneeland]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

[...]

That story has been around for quite a while - while there is probably some truth in it, I doubt that it can be taken to be 100% true.

I’m not quoting it as gospel or anything. 

Didn't intend to imply that. But the "Casey and Matt went to a secret chamber, smoked their best stuff and concocted this ending"-story seems as logical to me as the musings of hologram kid.

Modifié par schneeland, 25 avril 2012 - 08:24 .