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[Sheparded]

Maybe the VI became the image of the child to familarize itself with Shepard (and its not some of reaper) and all of our indoctrination theorys are false. Just an idea.

[BabyFaceNeptune]

oh and how does ME3 have any metanarrative? i'm not saying it doesn't but could one of you give me a example of the metanarrative in mass effect 3?

[Goddy10]

Sheparded wrote...

Maybe the VI became the image of the child to familarize itself with Shepard (and its not some of reaper) and all of our indoctrination theorys are false. Just an idea.

But why the Child? If it isn't relevant?

[blooregard]

Goddy10 wrote...

Another thing I'd like to point out is the severe lack of any criticism about the endings from major critics. IGN, Gamespot, Eurogamer, Game Informer. None of them mentioned the endings at all, and if they did they praised them.

Perhaps ths indoctrination ending was provided to them to criticize after they were gagged with a non-discloser?

"major critics" are only major because the producers pay them to give them good reviews I don't trust game informer or IGN  and its sad to say that the metacritic user reviews may be the most accurate ones. That being said that whole metacritic page for ME3 is a joke the game doesn't deserve a perfect 10 mind you but to give it 1s and 0s is just...stupid

[LolaLei]

Have you guys seen the fan ending thread someone posted up? Seriously, it's amazing. Go have a look:

http://social.biowar...index/9813536/1

[Nimrodell]

Rifneno wrote...

Nimrodell wrote...

Again, all that saw what happened are actually dead - til Earth assault every thing could be kept in Liara's time capsules or whatever - but no one can know how things went after transportation beam point. All involved in that part died - no one left to relate the story and with no means to do that, since relays were destroyed. The endings could be just Stargazer's supposition or lie - 'cause he's a narrator.

Just because he told the kid a story doesn't mean he's been a narrator through the entire series.  Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.  Sometimes an alien just finds a time capsule made by an asari full of stories about her BFF.
...  Okay, that sounds kind of messed up but still...

Well, I'm not trying to find any hidden meanings, but Stargazer was depicted as a narrator at the end. Sometimes cigar is a cigar and that's what I was actually pointing out - BW can actually take that straw in order to make all these unhappy souls satisfied. I think you misunderstood my intentions - not making yet another theory that would annihilate current state of endings in my desperate search for come kind of more happier solution. Just pointing out that there is actual escape - since Stargazer was introduced as narrator - meaning - one can go wild with that fact without grasping for indoctrination/hallucination theories.

[LordSlavius]

BabyFaceNeptune wrote...

oh and how does ME3 have any metanarrative? i'm not saying it doesn't but could one of you give me a example of the metanarrative in mass effect 3?

I'm not entirely sure what "metanarrative" means?

[lil_89]

Goddy10 wrote...

Sheparded wrote...

Maybe the VI became the image of the child to familarize itself with Shepard (and its not some of reaper) and all of our indoctrination theorys are false. Just an idea.

But why the Child? If it isn't relevant?

How did the catalyst know Shephard association with the child? He did not tell anyone about it, and as far as we know no one else saw it. So the Catalyst just took form of a random child to appeal to Shep? Unlikely. How does it know it will appeal to him unless it's been in Sheps head. Or is it just space-magic again with the Caatlyst taking form of whatever the one who reaches it wants it to be?

[blooregard]

Goddy10 wrote...

Sheparded wrote...

Maybe the VI became the image of the child to familarize itself with Shepard (and its not some of reaper) and all of our indoctrination theorys are false. Just an idea.

But why the Child? If it isn't relevant?

how would the citadel AI know what would make shepard more comfortable? also if the godkid is an AI then a question I could ask is why does it look more etheral then the regular AIs? it could be reaper tech based AI projection but the kid looks a little too whispy to have been made from a projector

[rogueagent6]

Sheparded wrote...

Maybe the VI became the image of the child to familarize itself with Shepard (and its not some of reaper) and all of our indoctrination theorys are false. Just an idea.

But the VI was never on the Crucible, Shepard left it on Chronos staion. After learning what the Catlyst was, there was no need to take the VI with you. Besides, Hackett was outside blasting away at the staion you needed to haul ass.

[Lugaidster]

What's sad is that they might cave in the future because of all the flame in Metacritic. I personally don't mind the gay part, I'm not gay but I don't mind gay people. It's polemic though. Do you guys remember the side-boob issue on ME1? I wonder how it hasn't exploded yet when you look at Liara's romance (she's hawt!). Off-topic: pretty soon we'll start seeing people mod Ashley in those scenes as well, she only has textures over the good parts, so I'm pretty sure we'll see those goods at some point in the future. Hopefully after we get our closure.

Cheers

[TranquilPhil]

If the hallucination theory is true, then EA Bioware lied in their interviews when they said the game was finished. It also means they spent their time 'after the game was finished' to develop dlc that didn't contain the true ending to milk the money out of its fans.

The alternative is that the ending is not a hallucination but rather silly and filled with plotholes. But at least there would be no deception in the interview with Bioware.

[Lugaidster]

TranquilPhil wrote...

If the hallucination theory is true, then EA Bioware lied in their interviews when they said the game was finished. It also means they spent their time 'after the game was finished' to develop dlc that didn't contain the true ending to milk the money out of its fans.

The alternative is that the ending is not a hallucination but rather silly and filled with plotholes. But at least there would be no deception in the interview with Bioware.

As if "we won't pull a 'lost' on [you]" and "we'll give closure" isn't deception... I'm sorry, from my point of view, neither your view or the indoctrination view stand the test of interview honesty.

[Goddy10]

TranquilPhil wrote...

If the hallucination theory is true, then EA Bioware lied in their interviews when they said the game was finished. It also means they spent their time 'after the game was finished' to develop dlc that didn't contain the true ending to milk the money out of its fans.

The alternative is that the ending is not a hallucination but rather silly and filled with plotholes. But at least there would be no deception in the interview with Bioware.

I think deception is the least of Biowares problems at the moment. They've already been caught in a few undeniable lies already.

[Lugaidster]

rogueagent6 wrote...

Sheparded wrote...

Maybe the VI became the image of the child to familarize itself with Shepard (and its not some of reaper) and all of our indoctrination theorys are false. Just an idea.

But the VI was never on the Crucible, Shepard left it on Chronos staion. After learning what the Catlyst was, there was no need to take the VI with you. Besides, Hackett was outside blasting away at the staion you needed to haul ass.

I've posted this question several times, but when you talk to the VI there and it says it's too late there appears an interrupt. Does any one know what the VI says if you don't interrupt? It's been bogging my mind for a good while now and I don't want to have to play that mission again.

[DocStone]

The one worrying thing for me, is that if it was a hallucination (and the more I think about it the more likely it seems) then Bioware deliberately released a game without an end. Oh sure, we have complained in the past about games being released too early and "unfinished" (BF3 is a prime example) but this will be a milestone in gaming publishing - this will be the first time that you will have to download future DLC to finish a game, even more worryingly you will have to pay for it.

Is ME3 the first game ever where you will have to pay twice to actually finish the story? We are not talking filler here like previous DLC, we are not talking about additional characters, we are talking about having to pay twice for a satisfactory ending to a game.

If it does turn out that way, we have just just entered a very dark time in game publishing - a game you cannot complete unless you pay for the ending. The thought alone horrifies me.

[DuoJoe]

I wonder how many people wouldn’t be upset if they’d just added the six second clip of Shep breathing to all the endings after 4-5,000 points.

Anyway, it's sad when people have to hope for one of the worst, most hackneyed twist in any story that almost always ends up destroying a bunch of good will and make the creators seem poorer for it. I mean, at that point why not just make the ‘dream’ start when Shepard died in ME2? Why not make it all a vision flashing through Saren or Sovereign’s mind as they’re about to die? Or maybe it’s Shepard’s dream as he’s passing through the intestines of a thresher maw on Akuze?

I’m not trying to put the theory down, some of the ‘hints’ people are finding are cool, I’m just saying if they were planning this as a dream and that's the end than that is just awful writing. I’d rather it turn out my whole crew was slowly being indoctrinated and in the end I had to kill them all to save the galaxy. I’m not saying that’s so much better, but I’d rather kill the people I spent years (or at least consecutive days of game time) coming to care for than have it all be some dream.

Just don’t make it all a dream. Not unless you’re going to cut from the end to Bob Newhart in bed with his wife.

Modifié par DuoJoe, 12 mars 2012 - 03:11 .

[allentrill]

I loved my reckoner armor. so when the explosion happened why am i wearing different armor? Don't say its so you can relate because i grew to relate from his choices not his/her looks and clothes. I could understand a dream n maybe  the ending is actually gonna be included in a dlc. Maybe hes hallucinating and maybe not .  

[rogueagent6]

The more I think about this, it seems like the Reapers are getting desperate. In ME1, 2, 3, and Arrival, Shepard is continuously told that the Reapers and their motives are unknowable. Soverign goes out of his way to say that they (the Reapers) would darken the skies of every planet. Thinking about that, their numbers are certainly large, but they are not as numerous as Soverign led you to believe. And the excuse that the Reapers are the Catalyst's solution to chaos is certainly comprehend-able, it just makes no sense.

Having ran through the end a few times now I can't help but feel that this is desperation on the part of the Catalyst/Reapers.

[wryterra]

DocStone wrote...

Is ME3 the first game ever where you will have to pay twice to actually finish the story?

You never played Halo 2 I take it?

[rogueagent6]

Lugaidster wrote...

I've posted this question several times, but when you talk to the VI there and it says it's too late there appears an interrupt. Does any one know what the VI says if you don't interrupt? It's been bogging my mind for a good while now and I don't want to have to play that mission again.

He mentions that he has failed, and then starts to suggest to you that you start looking for ways to preseve the data for the next cycle. That's when the paragon interupt appears and you tell him that he didn't fail.

[blooregard]

DocStone wrote...

The one worrying thing for me, is that if it was a hallucination (and the more I think about it the more likely it seems) then Bioware deliberately released a game without an end. Oh sure, we have complained in the past about games being released too early and "unfinished" (BF3 is a prime example) but this will be a milestone in gaming publishing - this will be the first time that you will have to download future DLC to finish a game, even more worryingly you will have to pay for it.

Is ME3 the first game ever where you will have to pay twice to actually finish the story? We are not talking filler here like previous DLC, we are not talking about additional characters, we are talking about having to pay twice for a satisfactory ending to a game.

If it does turn out that way, we have just just entered a very dark time in game publishing - a game you cannot complete unless you pay for the ending. The thought alone horrifies me.

within a couple years we went from "buy the game new to get some free bonus content" to "buy the game new if you want to get half your money's worth out of it" ending DLC will probalby be next in line until the ultimate "pay us for the disc and then pay us more to play the game"

[Pottumuusi]

Has anyone actually done a NG+ playthrough with the destroy ending? Could be that Shepard wakes up there. Could be hidden in ecrypted files or something.

I'll go and do this right now.

[Rughalt]

DocStone wrote...

The one worrying thing for me, is that if it was a hallucination (and the more I think about it the more likely it seems) then Bioware deliberately released a game without an end. Oh sure, we have complained in the past about games being released too early and "unfinished" (BF3 is a prime example) but this will be a milestone in gaming publishing - this will be the first time that you will have to download future DLC to finish a game, even more worryingly you will have to pay for it.

Is ME3 the first game ever where you will have to pay twice to actually finish the story? We are not talking filler here like previous DLC, we are not talking about additional characters, we are talking about having to pay twice for a satisfactory ending to a game.

If it does turn out that way, we have just just entered a very dark time in game publishing - a game you cannot complete unless you pay for the ending. The thought alone horrifies me.

I don't know about this - I feel that BW - if our predictions are true - just want everyone to be able to get to the ending at the relatively same time - so noone will get spoiled easily. Like in many cases you have movie premiere at the same time in many countries.

[Fat Head]

erikage wrote...

It's pretty evident that this is what Bioware has in mind or something similar to continue the story. I'd doubt Bioware would make this big of a mistake with all these perfectly placed issues and show nothing for it. As a user few posts above said, "an elaborate accident." That's highly unlikely. I do find it funny people still talk about the ending as if nothing in this thread proves that those endings aren't the real ones. They should get mad that Bioware will probably put a price to finish the story that should've been completed. Not get mad at the current endings, because they aren't endings.

This is my biggest issue right here.  ASSUMING that the indoctrination/hallucination theory is correct, then they ending is yet to come.  That means that we were sold a game that was incomplete, yet falsely promoted to be complete.  We've heard from multiple staff members that ME3 is the end of Shepard's story.  If the TRUE ending is DLC, then that's not true.

Assuming the indoctrination thing is true, then the true ending could have been a post-credits gameplay section, for those that survive.  It would have stayed true to this vision and not cheated anyone.  Anyone who got the crap endings would eventually find out that there was a better one and it would seem brilliant and complaints would subside quickly.

But that's not what happened.  What happened was we were promised the end of OUR Shepard's journey.  It has been intelligently argued several times in this thead already why what we got is unsatisfactory.  There's been no hint/clue/statement as to there being more to the ending.  So the fan uproar is understandable.

I am not pleased with how it ended myself, but if there is a DLC Ending, I will download it.  I'll pay for it.  Why? Because I want the closure so badly that I feel like I need it.  If there is an ending DLC, I'll be hesitant to invest myself in anymore Bioware properties because I'll feel I've been cheated.  If there isn't, I'm done with their games.


Think about it.  If you went to the movies to see the Original Star Wars Trilogy (or something equally important to you), then at the climax of the last movie, it cuts to black and tells you that you can only see the ending if you buy the DVD, would you not be enraged?  I don't know a single person who'd accept that.  It shouldn't be acceptable here.  AT ALL.