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Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory


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#43976
lex0r11

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Can't understand why no one brought her up.

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Earthborn_Shepard

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this explains why Harby wanted Shep alive...

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suprarj

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the indoctrination theory is fake, but it's nice to see that so many bright minds are being put to good use

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Okay, it's literally impossible to properly follow this thread. Miss one day and you have over 50 pages to read, stop reading like a madman the next day and you might get 100 unread pages.

But whatever, it's the first time I try to comment here cause every time I had something I could say I would go to the next page and find it already commented. I'm tired of browsing and reading this time, so I might be repeating something someone already mentioned.

Anyway, some pages ago you were talking about Anderson at the panel without a gun and TIM getting some gun from him few moments later. And it came to my mind... How come TIM, as smart as he is, and apparently in control of boht Anderson and you, and actually ABLE to make you shoot him, walks into your ****ing line of fire to grab a weapon, makes his only cover kneel and exposes a clear shot instead of making you ****ing shoot again? Isn't it utterly retarded?

Bad writing of course, Bioware is lazy.

Oh and apologies for any mistake I might make while writing, my english is getting rusty...

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suprarj wrote...

the indoctrination theory is fake, but it's nice to see that so many bright minds are being put to good use


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suprarj wrote...

the indoctrination theory is fake, but it's nice to see that so many bright minds are being put to good use


Oh, well its good that someone finally came in after 1760 pages to offer irrefutable evidence we were wrong. I feel so foolish now.

Modifié par byne, 25 avril 2012 - 10:54 .


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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...



this explains why Harby wanted Shep alive...


Wha..? HOLY **** woman, what are you linking here? :blink:

:D

#43983
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Your not the only one.. I miss few times and fall behind but doesn't hurt to catch up I suppose. -sighs-

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suprarj wrote...

the indoctrination theory is fake, but it's nice to see that so many bright minds are being put to good use


can you elaborate on why........?

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C'mon guys. You're so tense over the whole IT than you'd rather feed a troll than debate something a fellow IT believer just posted.

Shame on you! :D

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lex0r11

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n00bsauce2010 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

heres how I would score them.

1. liara/jack
2. tali
3. Ashley
4. miranda









5. diana allers


lol.. is that based off "Hotness" because jack is the worst looking. shes completely based off the sterotypical perception of butch lesbians.



WinterCrow wrote...

C'mon guys. You're so tense over the
whole IT than you'd rather feed a troll than debate something a fellow
IT believer just posted.

Shame on you! :D




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There is something brewing in this thread... Where's the popcorn? Oh wait... I'll have to wait on that.

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llbountyhunter wrote...
well grayson was never in direct contact with a reaper, or reaper artifact like shepard, so obviously their expeiences would differ.... not to mention harbinger personal thing with shepard (who, for some reason, simply flies away at the end)

Just to make it clear, Grayson was in direct contact with reaper tech, very much in contact since cerburus poured it down his throat, it's nanotechnology that allows the reapers a connection to the victim, you would hear Grayson mention how he could hear whispers in his head,Grayson knew in the early stages those whispers were not his own because he knew he'd been indoctrinated by cerburus, Shepard has no such knowledge, so any whispers s/he hears are taken as a dream or imagination.

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Guys take this survey and show the IT support. I was number 150 so show the love!!

http://www.masseffec...ts--id-974.html

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llbountyhunter wrote...

heres how I would score them.

1. liara/jack
2. tali
3. Traynor
4. Ashley
5. Kelly
6. Sha'ira
7. miranda




50. Harbinger




98. Regards the works of the Enkindlers in Despair
99. diana allers

Corrected.

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lex0r11 wrote...



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This is mere speculation, but I'd say whomever is responsible for Jack's character design REALLY put some passion into her.

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DJBare wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...
well grayson was never in direct contact with a reaper, or reaper artifact like shepard, so obviously their expeiences would differ.... not to mention harbinger personal thing with shepard (who, for some reason, simply flies away at the end)

Just to make it clear, Grayson was in direct contact with reaper tech, very much in contact since cerburus poured it down his throat, it's nanotechnology that allows the reapers a connection to the victim, you would hear Grayson mention how he could hear whispers in his head,Grayson knew in the early stages those whispers were not his own because he knew he'd been indoctrinated by cerburus, Shepard has no such knowledge, so any whispers s/he hears are taken as a dream or imagination.


By Mass Effect 3, Shepard has heard many accounts of Reaper indoctrination manifesting itself as whispers or voices.  He would be well aware of what was going on if he suddenly started hearing voices while conscious.

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CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

By Mass Effect 3, Shepard has heard many accounts of Reaper indoctrination manifesting itself as whispers or voices.  He would be well aware of what was going on if he suddenly started hearing voices while conscious.

Just because one can recognize an attempt at manipulation doesn't mean one is equipped to fight it off.

Sad but true.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 25 avril 2012 - 11:35 .


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Auralius Carolus wrote...

This is mere speculation, but I'd say whomever is responsible for Jack's character design REALLY put some passion into her.


With all the work they put into giving Jack a new model for ME3 its a damn shame we only really see her on one mission.

She should've been a squadmate.

Her uniform even has those little lights on it for where weapons can be holstered, yet we never see her with a weapon.

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byne wrote...

Her uniform even has those little lights on it for where weapons can be holstered, yet we never see her with a weapon.

Commander Shepard has become a legend by ending the reaper threat. Now you can continue to build that legend through further gameplay and downloadable content.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 25 avril 2012 - 11:40 .


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llbountyhunter wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


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[*]"I feel like death, but I'm moving"


I'm not totally discounting this, but have you ever been so sore that you didn't want to move but had to?

First time I ever went snowboarding I couldn't move for 2 days without pain.


I have, actually. I used to work out at a gym with a personal trainer, and I asked him to show me how to do pyramid sets. Pyramid sets are where you do sets of reps in quick succession that start with many reps at a low weight, progress to fewer reps with high weight, and then progress back down to many reps at low weight. You have very short breaks in between each set.

The next day, I was semi-sore, but the day after, good lord, my shins (I did calf raises) burned so bad that I was uncontrollably spouting expletives every time I had to stand up, and I could literally NOT walk without a severe limp. It was horrible! Come to think of it, I must have looked somewhat like Shepard did during the end sequence, lumbering about. 

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CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

DJBare wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...
well grayson was never in direct contact with a reaper, or reaper artifact like shepard, so obviously their expeiences would differ.... not to mention harbinger personal thing with shepard (who, for some reason, simply flies away at the end)

Just to make it clear, Grayson was in direct contact with reaper tech, very much in contact since cerburus poured it down his throat, it's nanotechnology that allows the reapers a connection to the victim, you would hear Grayson mention how he could hear whispers in his head,Grayson knew in the early stages those whispers were not his own because he knew he'd been indoctrinated by cerburus, Shepard has no such knowledge, so any whispers s/he hears are taken as a dream or imagination.


By Mass Effect 3, Shepard has heard many accounts of Reaper indoctrination manifesting itself as whispers or voices.  He would be well aware of what was going on if he suddenly started hearing voices while conscious.


That's quite an assumption.  If you were slowly going insane and started seeing and/or hearing people that weren't there, would you really know that your brain was creating people who didn't exist? 

If indoctrination is as slow and subtle as it is often described, then the initial thoughts/ideas/whispers wouldn't be a "sudden" thing.  They would emanate little by little, maybe at first as something that is passed off as if the subject mistakenly heard a fleeting sound, and then increased very slowly until the subject couldn't define real from unreal.

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DJBare wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...
well grayson was never in direct contact with a reaper, or reaper artifact like shepard, so obviously their expeiences would differ.... not to mention harbinger personal thing with shepard (who, for some reason, simply flies away at the end)

Just to make it clear, Grayson was in direct contact with reaper tech, very much in contact since cerburus poured it down his throat, it's nanotechnology that allows the reapers a connection to the victim, you would hear Grayson mention how he could hear whispers in his head,Grayson knew in the early stages those whispers were not his own because he knew he'd been indoctrinated by cerburus, Shepard has no such knowledge, so any whispers s/he hears are taken as a dream or imagination.


I meant more like reaper artifacts which might create different results

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In no particular order:

Posted Image Miranda - body
Posted Image Tali - personality
Posted Image Ashley - loyalty, or rather, it should be, as it fits with her, except she never trusts you Posted Image
Posted Image Jack - attitude
Posted Image Liara - hard to say, kind of all of the above, which, coupled with the writing, are why I think Liara is the "canon" love intrest, at least, in Bioware's eyes.




Posted Image Allers

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suprarj wrote...

the indoctrination theory is fake, but it's nice to see that so many bright minds are being put to good use


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Alright everyone pack it up. We're done here. It was a good run, but this irrefutable evidence just sealed the deal.