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[HellishFiend]

Ravereth wrote...

I can't stop thinking about those two quotes "You have hope, more than you think"/"You don't need hope" ugh...

PS. Does anyone know what starchild says if Shepard has two choices?

I think that he says "you have hope, more than you think" if you have more than one choice. 

I'm not really bothered by those lines since as an IT believer, it makes sense. In face value context though, it falls apart. 

Starkid basically goes from:
You dont need hope, you standing here proves it -> my solution wont work anymore -> you want to destroy us -> the chaos will come back -> our future depends on you

huh?

[DJBare]

Did anyone notice the construction of the destroy console?
The two huge conduit pipes, tentacles?
Also look at the two blue lights above the third set of rings, eyes?

I've got a large image on my other monitor, with Shepard not quite at the trigger point, I could be looking at a reaper in this image.

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

Did anyone notice the construction of the destroy console?
The two huge conduit pipes, tentacles?
Also look at the two blue lights above the third set of rings, eyes?

I've got a large image on my other monitor, with Shepard not quite at the trigger point, I could be looking at a reaper in this image.

Nope, I'll check it out next time I run through the end. I've been meaning to mess with it a bit more. Last time I tried making it to the conduit without killing marauder shields.  Last time I tried, I actually triggered the cutscene where Shepard approaches the beam without killing Shields, but he winged me and killed me right as the cutscene was starting (I even got the "conduit" load screen, but it ended up reloading from the start instead of inside the citadel). I'm convinced I can do it, but it takes awhile for each attempt, so I decided to save it for later. 

[gunslinger_ruiz]

HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Did anyone notice the construction of the destroy console?
The two huge conduit pipes, tentacles?
Also look at the two blue lights above the third set of rings, eyes?

I've got a large image on my other monitor, with Shepard not quite at the trigger point, I could be looking at a reaper in this image.

Nope, I'll check it out next time I run through the end. I've been meaning to mess with it a bit more. Last time I tried making it to the conduit without killing marauder shields.  Last time I tried, I actually triggered the cutscene where Shepard approaches the beam without killing Shields, but he winged me and killed me right as the cutscene was starting (I even got the "conduit" load screen, but it ended up reloading from the start instead of inside the citadel). I'm convinced I can do it, but it takes awhile for each attempt, so I decided to save it for later. 

I'm on it:





Not sure I see what you mean though.

[Mystical Taurus]

Has anyone come up with a reason why, if you take the endings at face value, the Star Kid even offers Shepard any choices at all? I know he says the Crucible changed him and opened up new possibilities, presumably the possibility of Synthesis. He obviously hates Destroy. Control, at face value, will delay the Reapers X years from doing their jobs, and so nothing good comes of that from his point of view. So since he favors Synthesis, why not just have some poor indoctrinated slob jump in the beam? Why even allow Shepard to make the decision?

[SS2Dante]

HellishFiend wrote...

By the way guys, I was watching my sister play LotSB earlier, and I noticed the "electric discharge" sounds in and around the Shadow Broker ship sound almost identical to the ones you hear in the control room (very apparent when the music cuts out after TIM and Anderson collapse).

Not sure if I'd be inclined to lean one way or the other as far as whether this was intentional or not. We generally accept that all visual elements from the post-Harbinger's beam sequence are from Shepard's mind, but what if the sounds are, too? Does anyone know of any sounds in the "dream sequence" that are unique and cant be traced back to an earlier part in the trilogy?

There's one bit of music that intregues me because it sounds familiar (possibly because it sounds a bit like the game over music?) in the conversation with TIM. If you choose the renegade options (can't remember if it happens with paragon, can't be bothered checking ), the last choice before you have to shoot TIM plays a different kind of music if you don't pick right away. Anyone else notice it and can tell me if I've heard it before? i swear it reminds me of ME1 but that might just be because it's similar to the game over screen.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Mystical Taurus wrote...

Has anyone come up with a reason why, if you take the endings at face value, the Star Kid even offers Shepard any choices at all? I know he says the Crucible changed him and opened up new possibilities, presumably the possibility of Synthesis. He obviously hates Destroy. Control, at face value, will delay the Reapers X years from doing their jobs, and so nothing good comes of that from his point of view. So since he favors Synthesis, why not just have some poor indoctrinated slob jump in the beam? Why even allow Shepard to make the decision?

Exactly. Seems to be that maybe he's afraid of Shepard? That Shep is actually close to destroying him/the Reapers, so he comes up with his bullsh*t choices to disctract him

[SS2Dante]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Did anyone notice the construction of the destroy console?
The two huge conduit pipes, tentacles?
Also look at the two blue lights above the third set of rings, eyes?

I've got a large image on my other monitor, with Shepard not quite at the trigger point, I could be looking at a reaper in this image.

Nope, I'll check it out next time I run through the end. I've been meaning to mess with it a bit more. Last time I tried making it to the conduit without killing marauder shields.  Last time I tried, I actually triggered the cutscene where Shepard approaches the beam without killing Shields, but he winged me and killed me right as the cutscene was starting (I even got the "conduit" load screen, but it ended up reloading from the start instead of inside the citadel). I'm convinced I can do it, but it takes awhile for each attempt, so I decided to save it for later. 

I'm on it:





Not sure I see what you mean though.

Actually I always thought control looked more like a Reaper :S Got any screenshots of it? (especially when you're not on it's platform)

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Mystical Taurus wrote...

Has anyone come up with a reason why, if you take the endings at face value, the Star Kid even offers Shepard any choices at all? I know he says the Crucible changed him and opened up new possibilities, presumably the possibility of Synthesis. He obviously hates Destroy. Control, at face value, will delay the Reapers X years from doing their jobs, and so nothing good comes of that from his point of view. So since he favors Synthesis, why not just have some poor indoctrinated slob jump in the beam? Why even allow Shepard to make the decision?

We can speculate that the Catalyst/Star Kid is bound by his core programming from doing anything other than what he has been doing for the past X amount of cycles. The Crucible changed him, creating new possibilities, if he is a program of some sort, a hyper-advanced AI, it might be restricted from making choices. Although that does defeat the purpose of a "free thinking AI" if that's what The Catalyst is.

Why let Shepard choose? At face value, Shepard is "the first organic ever" to be standing there, so it may prove him/her worthy.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

@SS2Dante

These are the best I took of it, didn't get a frontal view:





Make sure you right click and view image to see them fuller.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Yeah, the Control thingy looks way too reaperish to be legit.

[DJBare]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
Not sure I see what you mean though.

[SS2Dante]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@SS2Dante

These are the best I took of it, didn't get a frontal view:





Make sure you right click and view image to see them fuller.

Suppose the second shot shows more what I'm talking about, although it's clearer in game. General shap coupled with tentacles at the front. Not that I'm saying it couldn't be a coincidence.

[DJBare]

Keep in mind that if Shepard is indoctrinated then his/her view of the world is twisted.

[MadRabbit999]

Mystical Taurus wrote...

Has anyone come up with a reason why, if you take the endings at face value, the Star Kid even offers Shepard any choices at all? I know he says the Crucible changed him and opened up new possibilities, presumably the possibility of Synthesis. He obviously hates Destroy. Control, at face value, will delay the Reapers X years from doing their jobs, and so nothing good comes of that from his point of view. So since he favors Synthesis, why not just have some poor indoctrinated slob jump in the beam? Why even allow Shepard to make the decision?

I think because the Catalyst says that TIM was already controlled, so he could not do it. I think he is implying that only those non indoctrinated can make the final choices... but that makes no sense either.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

I'm still not seeing much of a Reaper in the destroy tube. Yes they have tentacles in common, but Reaper's tentactles are much sharper and don't bend cept for at jointed parts. Although it is interested those 2 blue lights are there in a 80% red 20% grey object hmm.

I do see the Control area as much more Reaper Tech like. Not thinking of Reaper bodies but of their various Tech found in the gaming world.

[DJBare]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

I'm still not seeing much of a Reaper in the destroy tube. Yes they have tentacles in common, but Reaper's tentactles are much sharper and don't bend cept for at jointed parts. Although it is interested those 2 blue lights are there in a 80% red 20% grey object hmm.

I do see the Control area as much more Reaper Tech like. Not thinking of Reaper bodies but of their various Tech found in the gaming world.

As I said earlier, if it's IT, then Shepards view is twisted, the red/destroy console could be harbinger himself or at the very least a representation, which would make destroy a more valid option, it's a direct attack on harbinger.

[DJBare]

Remember the position we see Harbinger take off from?, it's the right hand side of the beam, the destroy console is also right of the beam.

[Quilate]

Mmmhhh. That will make sense !

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Another thing..
if the actual endings were to be taken at face value.. then why not show us some implications?
Show the Geth ships being destroyed by the crucible pulse, show EDI dying in the Normandy. Or, with Synthesis: Show how both organics and synthetics wonder about what the hell just happened and why they suddenly are the same.
But I guess they were too busy modeling Diana Aller's face

[DJBare]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Another thing..
if the actual endings were to be taken at face value.. then why not show us some implications?
Show the Geth ships being destroyed by the crucible pulse, show EDI dying in the Normandy. Or, with Synthesis: Show how both organics and synthetics wonder about what the hell just happened and why they suddenly are the same.
But I guess they were too busy modeling Diana Aller's face

Because none of it happened, I'm even more convinced now that Shepard is still on earth after being struck by the laser, eveything s/he experiences after that are twisted visions.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

DJBare wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Another thing..
if the actual endings were to be taken at face value.. then why not show us some implications?
Show the Geth ships being destroyed by the crucible pulse, show EDI dying in the Normandy. Or, with Synthesis: Show how both organics and synthetics wonder about what the hell just happened and why they suddenly are the same.
But I guess they were too busy modeling Diana Aller's face

Because none of it happened, I'm even more convinced now that Shepard is still on earth after being struck by the laser, eveything s/he experiences after that are twisted visions.

I know, but now suddenly Mike Gamble seems to be tweeting about how Synthesis is the best ending and Destroy sucks and I'm like "SYNTHESIS IS RETARDED" and yeah.. it's hard to hold the line

[DJBare]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I know, but now suddenly Mike Gamble seems to be tweeting about how Synthesis is the best ending and Destroy sucks and I'm like "SYNTHESIS IS RETARDED" and yeah.. it's hard to hold the line

The cynic in me says Mike is being deliberate, he likes this whole speculation thing and is pouring oil on the fire, basically I don't believe him, it's just to keep the fire burning.

[Quilate]

I totally agree with the whole thing "because it didn't happend" ! Also the tweets from Gamble are disturbing ! Didn't he said before that destroy was the best ?

[Khaydarin135]

I don't know if it has been mentioned but have you noticed that there are dark blurry corners at the end of the cutscene suggesting it's at least a dream...? (Even when Jokers comes out of the normandy).

Do you think its some sort of clue?