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[Baka-no-Neko]

Just reading the OP made me rethink the endings so far. Is it too good to believe, or is there something more epically sinister going on? Bioware, what are you wee buggers up to?!

[Sheparded]

Bioware may not be getting back to us on our theories for a reason. They have had plenty of time to respond but they continue to remain silent why?

[angryjon]

with this theory, and with the only perfect ending where shepard breathes being the destroy option, and with bioware telling us to hold onto our saves, all of it points to an expansion pack to me. I doubt that it would be just DLC, I think a full blown expansion pack is what they will make, like DA:O awakening, which will coincide with their statement about ME3 being the last game in which shepard is in, since an expansion pack would still be me3

[Anthraxius Omega]

rektor99 wrote...

I know the ending sucked, but the trilogy is over right? Shepard Stopped the reapers.
I dont really think bioware will make a new ending. The ending in red dead redemption was also a little sad, but perhaps they will make a new mass effect sorta game, with new characters and stuff..
A new dlc ending seems to good to be true

I can only restate my issue:

I do not need a happy ending. Shepard may or may not die, this does not define a "good" ending for me. Legion sacrificed himself, Mordin as well, why not sheppard?
The point is finding an ending which sums up your actions. An ending that will make you feel complete- maybe even sad. Remember, remember the end of ME 2 ... perfect example. If you fked it up, your crew or even you die. Tough but satisfing, your actions mattered!


Nevertheles, I WANT BABY WREXES!

[humes spork]

LordSlavius wrote...

I'm not entirely sure what "metanarrative" means?

Shorthand style, it's narration about narration. Think a Tarantino film -- Tarantino's films aren't so much about what's happening on the screen, they're films about films. Like how ME1 was a giant love letter to 1980s science fiction.

[Goddy10]

Fat Head wrote...

erikage wrote...

It's pretty evident that this is what Bioware has in mind or something similar to continue the story. I'd doubt Bioware would make this big of a mistake with all these perfectly placed issues and show nothing for it. As a user few posts above said, "an elaborate accident." That's highly unlikely. I do find it funny people still talk about the ending as if nothing in this thread proves that those endings aren't the real ones. They should get mad that Bioware will probably put a price to finish the story that should've been completed. Not get mad at the current endings, because they aren't endings.

This is my biggest issue right here.  ASSUMING that the indoctrination/hallucination theory is correct, then they ending is yet to come.  That means that we were sold a game that was incomplete, yet falsely promoted to be complete.  We've heard from multiple staff members that ME3 is the end of Shepard's story.  If the TRUE ending is DLC, then that's not true.

Assuming the indoctrination thing is true, then the true ending could have been a post-credits gameplay section, for those that survive.  It would have stayed true to this vision and not cheated anyone.  Anyone who got the crap endings would eventually find out that there was a better one and it would seem brilliant and complaints would subside quickly.

But that's not what happened.  What happened was we were promised the end of OUR Shepard's journey.  It has been intelligently argued several times in this thead already why what we got is unsatisfactory.  There's been no hint/clue/statement as to there being more to the ending.  So the fan uproar is understandable.

I am not pleased with how it ended myself, but if there is a DLC Ending, I will download it.  I'll pay for it.  Why? Because I want the closure so badly that I feel like I need it.  If there is an ending DLC, I'll be hesitant to invest myself in anymore Bioware properties because I'll feel I've been cheated.  If there isn't, I'm done with their games.


Think about it.  If you went to the movies to see the Original Star Wars Trilogy (or something equally important to you), then at the climax of the last movie, it cuts to black and tells you that you can only see the ending if you buy the DVD, would you not be enraged?  I don't know a single person who'd accept that.  It shouldn't be acceptable here.  AT ALL. 

That is assuming the DLC will actually have a pricetag on it though.

[rogueagent6]

Sheparded wrote...

Bioware may not be getting back to us on our theories for a reason. They have had plenty of time to respond but they continue to remain silent why?

It was the weekend? I doubt BioWare works 24x7.

[kyrieee]

Is it true that Shepard survives even if you pick 'Control'?

[themidz]

LolaLei wrote...

Have you guys seen the fan ending thread someone posted up? Seriously, it's amazing. Go have a look:

http://social.biowar...index/9813536/1

wow.. that is amazing. that is the end we deserved

[Golferguy758]

As an side I'm getting really annoyed with people saying these ae the endings. The hallucination theory is about showing that the ending has yet to happen. This is still the climax of the story

[Mr. Mistake]

rogueagent6 wrote...

Sheparded wrote...

Bioware may not be getting back to us on our theories for a reason. They have had plenty of time to respond but they continue to remain silent why?

It was the weekend? I doubt BioWare works 24x7.

Yeah, but I doubt some of them don't feel strongly enough about the game to relay some information to us, if they had the "permission" to do so.

But think about it... maybe they've given us enough hints that something is coming already.

[RigolettoHixar]

I don't know if anyone found the breathing scene weird... citadel is in SPACE... how the hell shep end up in a pile of rubble... he should have been spaced......

[blooregard]

angryjon wrote...

with this theory, and with the only perfect ending where shepard breathes being the destroy option, and with bioware telling us to hold onto our saves, all of it points to an expansion pack to me. I doubt that it would be just DLC, I think a full blown expansion pack is what they will make, like DA:O awakening, which will coincide with their statement about ME3 being the last game in which shepard is in, since an expansion pack would still be me3

could ilos play a part at all?

[1104194442]

rogueagent6 wrote...

Sheparded wrote...

Bioware may not be getting back to us on our theories for a reason. They have had plenty of time to respond but they continue to remain silent why?

It was the weekend? I doubt BioWare works 24x7.

and they wait until the game is released in asia?

[humes spork]

rogueagent6 wrote...

But the VI was never on the Crucible, Shepard left it on Chronos staion. After learning what the Catlyst was, there was no need to take the VI with you. Besides, Hackett was outside blasting away at the staion you needed to haul ass.

By the way, did anyone else think it was incredibly odd that if you took Vega with you on that mission when Hackett opened fire Vega went all Apocalypse Now? Granted he's a Jarhead and explosions are awesome, but on the other hand none of the Marines I know would cheer on a friendly fire incident especially one involving them just for how awesome explosions are.

Modifié par humes spork, 12 mars 2012 - 03:24 .

[lil_89]

rogueagent6 wrote...

Sheparded wrote...

Bioware may not be getting back to us on our theories for a reason. They have had plenty of time to respond but they continue to remain silent why?

It was the weekend? I doubt BioWare works 24x7.

There is so much to do before "responding" to such a thing. Remember that BW is company and one person can't just make a statement to calm the fans, they probably have to agree with EA on how to address this issue and make an official statement that pleases as many people as possible, or at least explains everything from their point of view. Politics exists in the gaming industry as well. Sucks for us, but we have to be patient for a while regarding an official response.

edit: typo

Modifié par lil_89, 12 mars 2012 - 03:25 .

[Daryst]

DocStone wrote...

The one worrying thing for me, is that if it was a hallucination (and the more I think about it the more likely it seems) then Bioware deliberately released a game without an end. Oh sure, we have complained in the past about games being released too early and "unfinished" (BF3 is a prime example) but this will be a milestone in gaming publishing - this will be the first time that you will have to download future DLC to finish a game, even more worryingly you will have to pay for it.

Is ME3 the first game ever where you will have to pay twice to actually finish the story? We are not talking filler here like previous DLC, we are not talking about additional characters, we are talking about having to pay twice for a satisfactory ending to a game.

If it does turn out that way, we have just just entered a very dark time in game publishing - a game you cannot complete unless you pay for the ending. The thought alone horrifies me.

Remember fallout 3? it has a DLC which let you continue the story and get a more proper ending.

[Terraforming2154]

Sheparded wrote...

Bioware may not be getting back to us on our theories for a reason. They have had plenty of time to respond but they continue to remain silent why?

Well, the Japanese release date is March 15, maybe that is a factor if our theory is anywhere close to true?

[VendettaI154]

I keep thinking of Fallout 3 and how they revamped their ending, it gives me hope.

[JELLAQTP]

About the child. The reaction of Shepard when he sees the kid that haunts him on his dreams, the image that sum all his fears, maybe his guilt, his desperation. Is just to talk to him. No surprise, no emotional shock, nothing. It's like he was expecting him. Like in the dream.

[themidz]

Daryst wrote...

DocStone wrote...

The one worrying thing for me, is that if it was a hallucination (and the more I think about it the more likely it seems) then Bioware deliberately released a game without an end. Oh sure, we have complained in the past about games being released too early and "unfinished" (BF3 is a prime example) but this will be a milestone in gaming publishing - this will be the first time that you will have to download future DLC to finish a game, even more worryingly you will have to pay for it.

Is ME3 the first game ever where you will have to pay twice to actually finish the story? We are not talking filler here like previous DLC, we are not talking about additional characters, we are talking about having to pay twice for a satisfactory ending to a game.

If it does turn out that way, we have just just entered a very dark time in game publishing - a game you cannot complete unless you pay for the ending. The thought alone horrifies me.

Remember fallout 3? it has a DLC which let you continue the story and get a more proper ending.

hmm which one is that?

[Bigdoser]

kyrieee wrote...

Is it true that Shepard survives even if you pick 'Control'?

No shepard can only live in the destory ending if your ems is high enough.

[Elanor]

Sheparded wrote...

Bioware may not be getting back to us on our theories for a reason. They have had plenty of time to respond but they continue to remain silent why?

I think they hope that we'll get over it... <_<

[Milvushina]

I don't know. I can't decide. When I got there, my thought process was something like, "Dammit, I came all this way for some dead Reapers, and I'm not going to believe all our work and sacrifice was misguided!" I destroyed the Reapers and saved Earth, but Shep apparently died.

But I have to admit, I was very confused at the end and I didn't even know if it was me or Shepard that was confused. I felt like there was no concrete evidence of the "right" decision. It would have to be an act of faith. Do you believe that at the last moment, Shepard learned something that threw everything in a new light, and despite the fact that others before her had thought this, she was right? Or do you believe that you were on the right path all along and just need to stick it out till the end?

I'm leaning toward indoctrination, but perhaps because it gives me a sense of victory I wouldn't have otherwise. I did Control later, just to see it. The evidence for indoctrination:

1. It's odd that Shepard never had a problem with indoctrination...that we know of
2. According to the Codex, the ghost-child meets the description of a Reaper manipulating you
3. Appropriate for the Reapers to make a last ditch attempt to stop you
4. Destroying the Reapers is suddenly the short-sighted, "Renegade" option.
5. Doing what you've been fighting against all along is suddenly the altruistic, "Paragon" option.
6. Synthesis sounds strangely like Saren with his forging an alliance between synthetics and organics, and Control sounds like TIM's delusion. Both wrong paths as we have seen in 1 and 2.
7. It's possible to make both Saren and TIM see their delusions at the end. Nice touch if the thing that's so special about Shep is that she can do that on her own.

Arguments against it:
1. Apparently, Control does work for Shepard. The Reapers back off.
2. Synthesis makes the Reapers back off and we see our organic and synthetic friends safe.
3. Shepard doesn't really look indoctrinated.
4. The Prothean VI that it's so sensitive about "the indoctrinated" sees Shep as an ally.

[Elendstourist]

The last of Shepards dreams with the child has one clear message to me: Stick with the child and you will burn.