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[Tirian Thorn]

Dwailing wrote...
Bioware messing with us to make the reveal all the more meaningful.  Heavy risk, but the priiiiiizzze. 

Just gimmie the prize!

[Uncle Jo]

Dwailing wrote...

Bioware messing with us to make the reveal all the more meaningful.  Heavy risk, but the priiiiiizzze. 

I hope so. Really, And I would be more than happy if the IT is that what they wanted from the very start and I was wrong.

This aside and again not for the sake of killing the mood: in the Mass Effect 3 guide, they said the Synthesis/hello husk-mate ending/ was the best ending, which is according to Gambles trolling tweeting... I hope it was just a cynical joke.

[WinterCrow]

ExtendedCut wrote...

WinterCrow wrote...




Btw, and trying to take the topic back to IT. I've been checking Michael Gamble's tweeter for a while now, and while he says all that "DLCs are gonna be awesome" stuff, some of the things he's been sayin (I believe a screen capture was posted a while ago) seems to suggest he likes the Synthesis choice over the others. The guy is slowly killing my hopes of IT becoming true this summer.

Either that or he's just trolling and draggin away our attention. He also said he "won't be commenting any more on the ending" a few minutes ago.

That's one of the biggest lingering questions about IT, in my mind.  There has been a bunch of Bioware "hints" that Synthesis is supposed to be the "right" answer.  If they really want you to pick Synthesis, then it makes absolutely no sense in the confines of IT - since you are basically giving-in to Starkid's stupid recommendation.

But, if that's the case, WHY make Destroy the only one that gives Shepard any chance of living?

Good question, maybe the fact that Shepard survives is not "good" for them. And hell that might be true, I wouldn't like to survive to see how I doomed everyone by destroying the relays lol. Watching them starve to death... nice.

Anyway, not only would it make no sense in the confines of IT, but would also imply that the starbrat is telling the truth. You know, even if IT wasn't true, I would accept an ending in which starkid is a big liar and everything is a trap, and you see through his lies by choosing destroy. But saying goodbye to IT AND accepting everything just happens that way and the kid is real and sincere... too much to digest.

[liggy002]

richard_rider wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

richard_rider wrote...

That's a good article, it was one of the first ones I read after I finished the game...still though, it's a good theory (in the beginning, I really wished it was true), now I don't think BW would go for it.

Any particular reason on why you don't think it true?

Simple fact that the fans have overanalyzed it, and now BW wouldn't go for it because we'd already know it.

I wish they'd do it though, get through the whole citadel/Casper spiel, then we can have a real showdown with the reapers...

They wanted us to know it.  They put the clues and the inconclusive ending in the game for that very reason.  The thing is, though, after PAX most will not believe it because of the way they spoke about it PAX.  It was all meant to make the indoc reveal more of a shock in my opinion.

Modifié par liggy002, 26 avril 2012 - 03:47 .

[MaximizedAction]

Someone said something about a PRIIIIIZE?

[Fingertrip]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I thought rightaway that Synthesis was supposed to be the "ideal" ending. You need the highest EMS and it's in the middle of the 3 choices. But it still sucks, as an idea.

Correction. Highest rated EMS unlocks the Survival ending. I think that qualifies as "best" ending, if anything- and is sure to warrant enough as proof of IT. I don't see why there's even a debate regarding this.

[Skillz1986]

@earthbor shepard

ich bin mir nicht sicher, ob brwunschweig als große stadt durchgeht. sicher, statistisch gesehen ist sie ne großstadt. aber, warst du schonmal hier? Groß ist was anderes.

TRANSLATION:
i'm not sure whether braunschweig can be classified as a big city. sure, statistically it does (popilation margin of 250.000). but, have you ever been there? Nothing big about it.

[Tirian Thorn]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Bioware messing with us to make the reveal all the more meaningful.  Heavy risk, but the priiiiiizzze. 

I hope so. Really, And I would be more than happy if the IT is that what they wanted from the very start and I was wrong.

This aside and again not for the sake of killing the mood: in the Mass Effect 3 guide, they said the Synthesis/hello husk-mate ending/ was the best ending, which is according to Gambles trolling tweeting... I hope it was just a cynical joke.

The guide is a third party creation.  I'm sure they are given input and help from Bioware, but Prima saying Synthesis is the "best" ending is a guess and subjective. 

[Tirian Thorn]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Someone said something about a PRIIIIIZE?

There can be only one!

[Uncle Jo]

Tirian Thorn wrote...


The guide is a third party creation.  I'm sure they are given input and help from Bioware, but Prima saying Synthesis is the "best" ending is a guess and subjective. 

Didn't know that. I'm relieved. Thnaks for the correction !

[Voodzik]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I thought rightaway that Synthesis was supposed to be the "ideal" ending. You need the highest EMS and it's in the middle of the 3 choices. But it still sucks, as an idea.

It's not just that. It actively condtradicts the series. The theme the entire time has been diversity and self determination. I can think of at least two places where they actively said synthesis was BAD.

MORDIN speaks against the combined machine/organic nature of the Collectors because "the univers craves DIVERSITY."

JOKER gets asked by Vega why he doesn't fix his illness with a suit or implants, and joker talks for a WHILE about how adding in a bunch of machinery would make him "not me" anymore.

I'm sure there's more I can't remember. The point is they've talked for at least the past two games about how SYNTHESIS IS BAD. If they ARE fixing things, I hope they don't suddenly turn their backs on this.

Modifié par Voodzik, 26 avril 2012 - 03:53 .

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Dwailing wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...

WinterCrow wrote...




Btw, and trying to take the topic back to IT. I've been checking Michael Gamble's tweeter for a while now, and while he says all that "DLCs are gonna be awesome" stuff, some of the things he's been sayin (I believe a screen capture was posted a while ago) seems to suggest he likes the Synthesis choice over the others. The guy is slowly killing my hopes of IT becoming true this summer.

Either that or he's just trolling and draggin away our attention. He also said he "won't be commenting any more on the ending" a few minutes ago.

That's one of the biggest lingering questions about IT, in my mind.  There has been a bunch of Bioware "hints" that Synthesis is supposed to be the "right" answer.  If they really want you to pick Synthesis, then it makes absolutely no sense in the confines of IT - since you are basically giving-in to Starkid's stupid recommendation.

But, if that's the case, WHY make Destroy the only one that gives Shepard any chance of living?

Yeah, Synthesis is giving in to the Reapers.  I'm wondering if Bioware is trying to contribute to the indoctrination as well by telling us the follow the wrong path.  You know, they're testing us to see if we'll stick to our convictions.

We don't know whether synthesis implies giving in to the reapers or not.  The ending is simply too ambiguous for us to know what synthesis actually IS.  We also don't know who Starkid really is or whether or not he is on the Reapers' side.

[Tirian Thorn]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...


The guide is a third party creation.  I'm sure they are given input and help from Bioware, but Prima saying Synthesis is the "best" ending is a guess and subjective. 

Didn't know that. I'm relieved. Thnaks for the correction !

And as @Fingertrip said, the Destroy Ending where Shepard breathes is actually more difficult to get.  You have to have an EMS over 4,000 or 5,000 depending on if you have "From Ashes" or not.  That means you MUST play some multiplayer to get that much EMS. 

[Tirian Thorn]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...

WinterCrow wrote...




Btw, and trying to take the topic back to IT. I've been checking Michael Gamble's tweeter for a while now, and while he says all that "DLCs are gonna be awesome" stuff, some of the things he's been sayin (I believe a screen capture was posted a while ago) seems to suggest he likes the Synthesis choice over the others. The guy is slowly killing my hopes of IT becoming true this summer.

Either that or he's just trolling and draggin away our attention. He also said he "won't be commenting any more on the ending" a few minutes ago.

That's one of the biggest lingering questions about IT, in my mind.  There has been a bunch of Bioware "hints" that Synthesis is supposed to be the "right" answer.  If they really want you to pick Synthesis, then it makes absolutely no sense in the confines of IT - since you are basically giving-in to Starkid's stupid recommendation.

But, if that's the case, WHY make Destroy the only one that gives Shepard any chance of living?

Yeah, Synthesis is giving in to the Reapers.  I'm wondering if Bioware is trying to contribute to the indoctrination as well by telling us the follow the wrong path.  You know, they're testing us to see if we'll stick to our convictions.

We don't know whether synthesis implies giving in to the reapers or not.  The ending is simply too ambiguous for us to know what synthesis actually IS.  We also don't know who Starkid really is or whether or not he is on the Reapers' side.

I don't trust Control or Synthesis simply because Synthesis is what Saren believed in.  (Indoctrinated)

And Control is pitched by TIM and Javik points out that the ones that pitched Control in his cycle turned out to be indoctrinated.

On that evidence alone I believe those choices end worse than destroy.  Not necessarily a win for the reapers, but worse for the galaxy. 

[Uncle Jo]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...


The guide is a third party creation.  I'm sure they are given input and help from Bioware, but Prima saying Synthesis is the "best" ending is a guess and subjective. 

Didn't know that. I'm relieved. Thnaks for the correction !

And as @Fingertrip said, the Destroy Ending where Shepard breathes is actually more difficult to get.  You have to have an EMS over 4,000 or 5,000 depending on if you have "From Ashes" or not.  That means you MUST play some multiplayer to get that much EMS. 

Yeah, read it too. Nope, you don't have to play the MP. "There is always another way"
Bioware pissed me off pretty much with this thing. I don't like MP and I'll never play it (matter of taste). Mass Effect is a SP game above of all !!!

Got the best ending though...

[Tirian Thorn]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...


The guide is a third party creation.  I'm sure they are given input and help from Bioware, but Prima saying Synthesis is the "best" ending is a guess and subjective. 

Didn't know that. I'm relieved. Thnaks for the correction !

And as @Fingertrip said, the Destroy Ending where Shepard breathes is actually more difficult to get.  You have to have an EMS over 4,000 or 5,000 depending on if you have "From Ashes" or not.  That means you MUST play some multiplayer to get that much EMS. 

Yeah, read it too. Nope, you don't have to play the MP. "There is always another way"
Bioware pissed me off pretty much with this thing. I don't like MP and I'll never play it (matter of taste). Mass Effect is a SP game above of all !!!

Got the best ending though...

I'm not a big fan of PVP, but I do like group vs. environment so I have actually enjoyed multiplayer.  I pop in once in a while, run a few missions and keep my readiness over 90% usually. 

There a people with N7 ratings over 5,000.  that's crazy.  I'm sitting on just under 300. 

[Tr0n01d]

*nothing to see, move along*

Modifié par Tr0n01d, 26 avril 2012 - 04:04 .

[Tr0n01d]

*damn you internet*

Modifié par Tr0n01d, 26 avril 2012 - 04:05 .

[Skillz1986]

The following is of course only speculation with nothing to back it up, other than my own logic.

With the collector base intact, and the lowest ems, yiur only option is control right?
In the other hand, with the collector base destroyed and the lowest ems your only choice is destroy and you will not wake up.

Now, with the collector base intact, the reapers want you indoctrinated. you do not pose a threat to to them and you do not have enough forces behind you to be useful to them. BUT you would be iseful as the new collector general (collector base intact), so they want you indoctrinated.

Wit the base destroyed however, and not enough forces behind you, you lost all your usefulness to the reapers, they are going to win. they do not indoctrinate you (destroy option) and you are left to die, while earht gets vaporized (reason for you not waking up). With high enough ems you do wake up, because your forces are keping the reapers from destroyimg everythimg around you.

[Uncle Jo]

Tirian Thorn wrote...



I'm not a big fan of PVP, but I do like group vs. environment so I have actually enjoyed multiplayer.  I pop in once in a while, run a few missions and keep my readiness over 90% usually. 

There a people with N7 ratings over 5,000.  that's crazy.  I'm sitting on just under 300. 

I can fully understand that people like MP or like you said, group vs environment. But that Bioware made it obligatory to get the best ending in SP, is something I'll never support. This and the DLC day one...

[Skillz1986]

N7 rating:19

[Dwailing]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Tirian Thorn wrote...


The guide is a third party creation.  I'm sure they are given input and help from Bioware, but Prima saying Synthesis is the "best" ending is a guess and subjective. 

Didn't know that. I'm relieved. Thnaks for the correction !

And as @Fingertrip said, the Destroy Ending where Shepard breathes is actually more difficult to get.  You have to have an EMS over 4,000 or 5,000 depending on if you have "From Ashes" or not.  That means you MUST play some multiplayer to get that much EMS. 

Yeah, read it too. Nope, you don't have to play the MP. "There is always another way"
Bioware pissed me off pretty much with this thing. I don't like MP and I'll never play it (matter of taste). Mass Effect is a SP game above of all !!!

Got the best ending though...

Eh, I actually love the ME3 multiplayer.  You should try it some time, it is a lot of fun.  And as for being able to get the best ending without multiplayer, I'm beginning to wonder if the endings are like Halo 3's. (This was brought up earlier)  In Halo 3, after the post credits sequence, the game normally ends.  However, if you finish the game on legendary, you see the Forward Unto Dawn floating towards an unknown planet, the same planet that Halo 4 will take place on.  Maybe the endings are like this as well.  You don't HAVE to get to 4000 EMS in order for Shepard to survive, it's just that if you do that, you are assured of his survival.  I know there are probably a few issues with this, but I just thought I should put it back out there.

Edit: Just to clarify, I am assuming that you chose Destroy.

Modifié par Dwailing, 26 avril 2012 - 04:13 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Skillz1986 wrote...

The following is of course only speculation with nothing to back it up, other than my own logic.

With the collector base intact, and the lowest ems, yiur only option is control right?
In the other hand, with the collector base destroyed and the lowest ems your only choice is destroy and you will not wake up.

Now, with the collector base intact, the reapers want you indoctrinated. you do not pose a threat to to them and you do not have enough forces behind you to be useful to them. BUT you would be iseful as the new collector general (collector base intact), so they want you indoctrinated.

Wit the base destroyed however, and not enough forces behind you, you lost all your usefulness to the reapers, they are going to win. they do not indoctrinate you (destroy option) and you are left to die, while earht gets vaporized (reason for you not waking up). With high enough ems you do wake up, because your forces are keping the reapers from destroyimg everythimg around you.

More likely to say they know your mindset but don't care enough to try changing it.

[Dwailing]

Skillz1986 wrote...

The following is of course only speculation with nothing to back it up, other than my own logic.

With the collector base intact, and the lowest ems, yiur only option is control right?
In the other hand, with the collector base destroyed and the lowest ems your only choice is destroy and you will not wake up.

Now, with the collector base intact, the reapers want you indoctrinated. you do not pose a threat to to them and you do not have enough forces behind you to be useful to them. BUT you would be iseful as the new collector general (collector base intact), so they want you indoctrinated.

Wit the base destroyed however, and not enough forces behind you, you lost all your usefulness to the reapers, they are going to win. they do not indoctrinate you (destroy option) and you are left to die, while earht gets vaporized (reason for you not waking up). With high enough ems you do wake up, because your forces are keping the reapers from destroyimg everythimg around you.

That could explain the ending limitations if you don't have a high EMS.  I like it. 

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...

WinterCrow wrote...




Btw, and trying to take the topic back to IT. I've been checking Michael Gamble's tweeter for a while now, and while he says all that "DLCs are gonna be awesome" stuff, some of the things he's been sayin (I believe a screen capture was posted a while ago) seems to suggest he likes the Synthesis choice over the others. The guy is slowly killing my hopes of IT becoming true this summer.

Either that or he's just trolling and draggin away our attention. He also said he "won't be commenting any more on the ending" a few minutes ago.

That's one of the biggest lingering questions about IT, in my mind.  There has been a bunch of Bioware "hints" that Synthesis is supposed to be the "right" answer.  If they really want you to pick Synthesis, then it makes absolutely no sense in the confines of IT - since you are basically giving-in to Starkid's stupid recommendation.

But, if that's the case, WHY make Destroy the only one that gives Shepard any chance of living?

Yeah, Synthesis is giving in to the Reapers.  I'm wondering if Bioware is trying to contribute to the indoctrination as well by telling us the follow the wrong path.  You know, they're testing us to see if we'll stick to our convictions.

We don't know whether synthesis implies giving in to the reapers or not.  The ending is simply too ambiguous for us to know what synthesis actually IS.  We also don't know who Starkid really is or whether or not he is on the Reapers' side.

I don't trust Control or Synthesis simply because Synthesis is what Saren believed in.  (Indoctrinated)

And Control is pitched by TIM and Javik points out that the ones that pitched Control in his cycle turned out to be indoctrinated.

On that evidence alone I believe those choices end worse than destroy.  Not necessarily a win for the reapers, but worse for the galaxy. 

I don't believe Synthesis on it's own is necessarily good or bad.  It's the intent behind the Synthesis that determines its moral quality.  We certainly have seen many instances where "synthesis" has been implemented or attempted with what appears to be evil intentions.  But it's also reasonable to consider that there might be some benefits to synthesis if it were done in a "good" way.

And that's really the problem with the synthesis ending - we simply don't know what synthesis would mean if Shepherd chooses this option.  Who would be controlling the synthesis, and what is the intention behind it?  As it stands, I agree with you - I wouldn't make that choice, seeing that synthesis has mostly been used for evil in the game.  So I would be dissapointed if synthesis was intended to be the "good" ending.

Modifié par CmnDwnWrkn, 26 avril 2012 - 04:14 .