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[hismastersvoice]

Fat Head wrote...

This is my biggest issue right here.  ASSUMING that the indoctrination/hallucination theory is correct, then they ending is yet to come.  That means that we were sold a game that was incomplete, yet falsely promoted to be complete.  We've heard from multiple staff members that ME3 is the end of Shepard's story.  If the TRUE ending is DLC, then that's not true.

Actually, as I said earlier, unitl Bioware confirms this isn't the real ending, it is the real ending. We might not like it, sure, but it's there. And it'll still be there even if Bioware releases DLC The Wake Up.

[Milvushina]

Elendstourist wrote...

The last of Shepards dreams with the child has one clear message to me: Stick with the child and you will burn.

I totally agree.  And the expression on Shepard's face as it burned said, "and you won't mind."  Creepy !!

[Golferguy758]

Golferguy758 wrote...

As an side I'm getting really annoyed with people saying these ae the endings. The hallucination theory is about showing that the ending has yet to happen. This is still the climax of the story

[Scott Sion]

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[Anthraxius Omega]

I just got another insight.

The catalyst is the Citadel, right? At least Shepard belives that the child entity is the catalyst inside the Citadel. If such a powerful really existed on the Citadel, how come that the keepers could be rewriten by the last surviving Proteans? How come that the reaper needed Sovereign to stay back in the galaxcy when the Catalyst has even better access to Citadel information? Why did Sovereign need to dock to the Citadel when Catalyst was already there? ... Something is fishy.

I would elaborate my theory of accessing Shepards implant by Harvester through the red beam weapon. Capturing him in this dream state, to battle his will, and trying to indoctrinate him.

I am even more convinced now, that we only played part A of the game, and plan B is yes to come. Its like Harry Potter 7,1 and 7.2.
In regards of the ME Series, too many things are missing. I expect to see the first reaper build in a flash back, maybe an episode in deep space, getting there by the Citadel relay.
The Child is relevant. Have trust. Didn't you find joy by all the little remarks and bits of information to fill in holes of ME1 and ME2? Do you really belive EA will leave us like that? Just hang in there, little kitty.

I would like to point AGAIN to the statement of Mr. Gamble: "Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever"

[thenxtmarvlhero]

Guys, complete longshot, but someone should try reversing the music that's playing right before you make your choice. I just replayed that part and the music just sounds kinda..... off

[kyrieee]

Milvushina wrote...
Arguments against it:
1. Apparently, Control does work for Shepard. The Reapers back off.
2. Synthesis makes the Reapers back off and we see our organic and synthetic friends safe.
3. Shepard doesn't really look indoctrinated.
4. The Prothean VI that it's so sensitive about "the indoctrinated" sees Shep as an ally.

Shepard isn't indoctrinated, but the Reapers are still penetrating into his / her mind

[Mr. Mistake]

themidz wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Have you guys seen the fan ending thread someone posted up? Seriously, it's amazing. Go have a look:

http://social.biowar...index/9813536/1

wow.. that is amazing. that is the end we deserved

Wow... If BW doesn't come up with something as good as that or better, I might have a nervous breakdown. Thanks for sharing.

[Lugaidster]

Goddy10 wrote...

Fat Head wrote...

erikage wrote...

It's pretty evident that this is what Bioware has in mind or something similar to continue the story. I'd doubt Bioware would make this big of a mistake with all these perfectly placed issues and show nothing for it. As a user few posts above said, "an elaborate accident." That's highly unlikely. I do find it funny people still talk about the ending as if nothing in this thread proves that those endings aren't the real ones. They should get mad that Bioware will probably put a price to finish the story that should've been completed. Not get mad at the current endings, because they aren't endings.

This is my biggest issue right here.  ASSUMING that the indoctrination/hallucination theory is correct, then they ending is yet to come.  That means that we were sold a game that was incomplete, yet falsely promoted to be complete.  We've heard from multiple staff members that ME3 is the end of Shepard's story.  If the TRUE ending is DLC, then that's not true.

Assuming the indoctrination thing is true, then the true ending could have been a post-credits gameplay section, for those that survive.  It would have stayed true to this vision and not cheated anyone.  Anyone who got the crap endings would eventually find out that there was a better one and it would seem brilliant and complaints would subside quickly.

But that's not what happened.  What happened was we were promised the end of OUR Shepard's journey.  It has been intelligently argued several times in this thead already why what we got is unsatisfactory.  There's been no hint/clue/statement as to there being more to the ending.  So the fan uproar is understandable.

I am not pleased with how it ended myself, but if there is a DLC Ending, I will download it.  I'll pay for it.  Why? Because I want the closure so badly that I feel like I need it.  If there is an ending DLC, I'll be hesitant to invest myself in anymore Bioware properties because I'll feel I've been cheated.  If there isn't, I'm done with their games.


Think about it.  If you went to the movies to see the Original Star Wars Trilogy (or something equally important to you), then at the climax of the last movie, it cuts to black and tells you that you can only see the ending if you buy the DVD, would you not be enraged?  I don't know a single person who'd accept that.  It shouldn't be acceptable here.  AT ALL. 

That is assuming the DLC will actually have a pricetag on it though.

Exactly, otherwise it would be The pirates of the caribean 2 all over again. Or kill bill for that matter.

[senta02]

 Is it just me or does it seem that in the cutscene where the kid is killed (Shuttle destroyed by a reaper) nobody notice him except Shepard. 

[Anthraxius Omega]

senta02 wrote...

 Is it just me or does it seem that in the cutscene where the kid is killed (Shuttle destroyed by a reaper) nobody notice him except Shepard. 

Indeed. We have the assumption that the kid is ONLY seen my shepard. Remember the ghostly disaperance in the vents? The crytic "you cant save me."

[Elanor]

thenxtmarvlhero wrote...

Guys, complete longshot, but someone should try reversing the music that's playing right before you make your choice. I just replayed that part and the music just sounds kinda..... off

This music makes me depressed.

[WizenSlinky0]

The amount of faith and belief in this theory is staggering to be honest. I've never seen straw grasping that literally suggesting any developer would leave the ending out of the game and then go "Haha, here's the real ending 3 months later" without prior warning. It's bad business and the reaction would be huge. What about players who don't connect their consoles to the internet for various reasons? No ending for them unless they want to buy a hard disc (would not be free, production costs).

As much as I'd like a better ending under the very slim chance this turned out to be true I'd have to do my first developer boycott. I can't support practices like that.

And let's not forget the scene with the grandfather/child plays in every single ending which implies very heavily the reapers are defeated or turned away in every single ending.

[CommanderSmacker]

senta02 wrote...

 Is it just me or does it seem that in the cutscene where the kid is killed (Shuttle destroyed by a reaper) nobody notice him except Shepard. 

I have thought this as well. It would certainly seem like he never existed, only to Shepard. And also the part where Shep tries to help him in the beginning but when anderson distracts Shepard, and when he looks back the kid magically dissappeared.

[Golferguy758]

Also, throughout the game the choices you made mattered. They were a huge deal in fact. And now they don't? Sorry bioware would not just go back on that when they used it throughout the whole game

[Daverid]

I have followed Unreality Mag for the last year or more ..

AND GOD BLESS YOU PAUL TASSI FOR WRITING FOR FORBES NOW AND WRITING THIS UP

www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/03/12/how-bioware-could-find-redemption-using-mass-effect-3/

I love him even more now (In a Non-Shepard/Cortez way of course )

Modifié par Daverid, 12 mars 2012 - 03:49 .

[blooregard]

Anthraxius Omega wrote...

senta02 wrote...

 Is it just me or does it seem that in the cutscene where the kid is killed (Shuttle destroyed by a reaper) nobody notice him except Shepard. 

Indeed. We have the assumption that the kid is ONLY seen my shepard. Remember the ghostly disaperance in the vents? The crytic "you cant save me."

he's also uunsupervised playing alone in a yard and can teliport from heating vent to landing pad


I also want to note that he tells garrus about seeing the little boy but never goes into detail about any of his dreams

[holyshock18]

I dont care. But they said they would bring closure to the story.

They have not done that. I dont care if the ending stands. I just want some damm closure. What happens to your damm friends. What happends to the geth/quarians relationship. They have to tell us something

The ending can stand. As long as we get some closure.

The ending is sad but not stupid. There is 500 plotholes tho and very weird things happening.

But the most importan thing for me = Closure!

[Dessalines]

Okay, now I am not so sure how it fits into this theory, but I know my dialogue is different with him. Has anyone else notice the same thing?
1)His first words to me are to get up. I notice that with other people he asked what are you doing here? 2)He tells me he can't do the new changes. Other people he state he can't and he won''t.
3)He tells me I still have a choice eventhough I do not realize. Other people he states you have a choice, more than you deserve.
I noticed two things. If you do not take any choice, the game tells you that the Crucible has been destroyed instead of the critical mission failure message. If you try to fall back away from the beam, you get a critical mission failure.
I think they state that Harbringer was on his way to the Citadel too. (I am not sure about that one)

[Zaknaberrnon]

All I can do is hope against hope. this tweet from michael Gamble fills me with just that:

Michael Gamble ‏ @GambleMike
Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever.

https://twitter.com/#!/GambleMike

[Fledgey]

Milvushina wrote...

Arguments against it:
1. Apparently, Control does work for Shepard. The Reapers back off.
2. Synthesis makes the Reapers back off and we see our organic and synthetic friends safe.
3. Shepard doesn't really look indoctrinated.
4. The Prothean VI that it's so sensitive about "the indoctrinated" sees Shep as an ally.

1. The indoctrinated theory states that everything after harby's laser doesn't actually happen.
2. Ditto^
3. Shepard isn't indoctrinated YET. She's just in the process of being indoctrinated. Star wizard land represents the last step, and the two left endings are very self righteous and I don't know about you, but my shep doesn't think she can make decisions for the entire galaxy. She's just a soldier. Those endings represent giving in to the motivations of saren and TIM and giving yourself to the reapers..
4. Like I said, shepard is not yet indoctrinated. They're just working on it.

[CmdrSheperd]

bynes argument is completely valid, as to how it could have been some type of hallucination. I mean the reaper you see flying off could be Harbinger exiting shepards Hullucination, but all and all Bioware, this is a good way to fix a broken ending, and like this devoted fan, I carry a deep love of the series. Theses ending simply seem to be a lame excuse compared to what fans who have ventured through the entirety of the series really deserve. So in short just fix from a science fiction prespective understandable ending, and give us something that settles our greatest of questions. If you require an example, look at MGS4: Guns of the patriots or Fallout 3: Broken steel, these endings make for what I see as the best way to settle the ending, but I can't speak for all my fellow fans. Until the DLC then, I'll be waiting with my wallet    

[Lugaidster]

Signing off. See you tomorrow. Hopefully we'll have an official statement by then.

[Fledgey]

The biggest hint for me is those dream trees. All of the dream sequences feature that creepy forest with the weird, not-quite-right trees. As you careen down the hill towards the conduit, the path is filled with death and lasers and crazy **** but certainly not trees. And as soon as you wake back up from the hit, everything has changed somewhat. The scenery is not what it should be, bodies are in weird places, magic gun, weird noises, and TREES APPEARED OUT OF NOWHERE. The same damn trees from your dreams. Explain that.

[humes spork]

Daverid wrote...

I have followed Unreality Mag for the last year or more ..

AND GOD BLESS YOU PAUL TASSI FOR WRITING FOR FORBES NOW AND WRITING THIS UP

www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/03/12/how-bioware-could-find-redemption-using-mass-effect-3/

I love him even more now (In a Non-Shepard/Cortez way of course )

I still don't quite understand with how everyone's up in arms about Javik's assets being on-disc.

Assets for both Zaeed and Kasumi were in the ME2 discs/installation too, the former of which was free DLC via Cerberus network and the latter paid. People had dug around in ME2's code and unlocked Kasumi before her DLC was even announced (in fact, that's what caused BW to announce her DLC early) -- her shadow strike and flash bang behavior were buggy, she had no voice and a placeholder model, but she was there and she worked. The same actually goes for Shale, who was originally intended to be a companion but when they couldn't work the bugs out of the character by the time the game went gold they decided to make her a DLC character free to retail purchasers (Shale's assets were also in the retail game files).