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HellishFiend wrote...
If the Indoctrination Theory turns out to be false, I'm placing the blame squarely on waldstr18, personally.
First off, I never said that. Redbelle made a quotefail, though his questions are valid.paxxton wrote...
Simon_Says wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Because everything in the ending is explained throughout the game and makes sense.
Vendetta hints at the existence of starkid on Thessia.
TIM uses nanides to control Shepard and Anderson.
Starkid's logic makes sense.
But I also appreciate the Indoctrination Theory.
Nanite's? Where did they come from? How were they made? Where were they developed? Who developed them? How did they enter Anderson ?Did they go into Shepard when he was ressurrected?
More explanation pls.
Did you play the game at all? If not, go through Sanctuary and listen to every audio log and read every PDA.
I did say this. And I'd like your answer on this. Because from where I'm standing, it makes no sense in any way that doesn't involve copious stupidity or insanity on someone's part that explains why the reapers...Simon_Says wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Because everything in the ending is explained throughout the game and makes sense.
Vendetta hints at the existence of starkid on Thessia.
TIM uses nanides to control Shepard and Anderson.
Starkid's logic makes sense.
But I also appreciate the Indoctrination Theory.
What part of "synthetics killing off organics so that organics aren't killed off by synthetics" makes sense?
Modifié par Simon_Says, 26 avril 2012 - 10:04 .
Modifié par Redbelle, 26 avril 2012 - 09:58 .
waldstr18 wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
waldstr18 wrote...
@dwailing
whats actually sad is, that you have a greates enemy and (!) that you found him on an online forum about a video game ending theory. i dont think i have enemies at all. if you think of me that way, sad, but i dont think of any of you that way. even while still wanting to troll you guys, but enemies? cmon... arent we all fans of the same game? arent we all not sadisfied by the endings? (some more some less)
thanks for the anti cancer wishes, though. its probably nothing. luck is on my side. i dont want to jinx it though.
The enemy comment is in jest. You're not really an enemy. I don't hate you enough to call you that. In fact, I really don't hate you, so much as just get frusterated by you. I don't see why you have to come here and keep saying that you oppose IT without actually bringing up any points for debate. It seems as if you enjoy coming here and trading insults. I mean, look at me. I've been getting kind of punchy lately, haven't I? That's not something that happens often, if you look back. How about we settle things this way? We make a pact that whoever is right will buy whoever is wrong a virtual drink, and will rub the fact that he was right all along in the other's face. That's what I did with GBGriffin, and we have established an insult free relationship.
you are insulted way to easily, i have to say. but jest or not, shouldnt i be the one insulted being called worst enemy, getting face palmed, and accused of destroying the future of the states (paraphrasing of course). oh, and not to forget the troll thing. do you see me in despair? angry? or anything? i dont think so. i just promised you that im going to "in you face" all of you, once the truth is out. but until then, im your best new forum friend, telling you about my life and my upcoming doctors appointments ...
waldstr18 wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
If the Indoctrination Theory turns out to be false, I'm placing the blame squarely on waldstr18, personally.
thanks, but actually i dont want that responsibility, since, if you have read my posts, i have no idea what money is or how it works, so you cant let me make a decission about a game, which cost and sold for millions. so naturally you cant blame me for it either.
but thanks again for considering me as the one who undid all your indoctrination nonsense.
It was a mix of "Lots of speculation from everyone" and ending it before it burned out... they thought about a fith season and it could have had one, and explaining most of the things, but it would greatlu diminish the "magic" the show had. Especially when you look at Babylon 5 where the last season was just tucked on because the story arc was already completed.HellishFiend wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
I got halfway down your post, and I think that what you're saying is what i've been saying, but then you mentioned BSG and I'm like "AAAAH MY EYES!" and had to look away. Only just started watching it (late to the party much?) and it's BADASS. Me no risky spoilers
...so yeah. kind of a redundant post but blegh
BSG is great, despite the fact that the quality of the storytelling takes a bit of a hit after the first couple of seasons. In order to protect your ability to enjoy it though, make sure you dont expect all of the questions to be answered by the end.
I did hear that, yes :S Which is a shame. Did it get cancelled, or just go the Lost route?
Well it definitely wasnt cancelled, so between those two, it went the Lost route. Though with Lost I got more of the impression that the writers gave up on the plot and lore, whereas with BSG I think they chose to leave too many things up to speculation.
lex0r11 wrote...
I hate to be that guy, but this thread is getting way too personal and about what kind of a dude some random internet poster is. Admittedly, i told people what i do too but this is getting out of hand at the speed of wurrrp.
lex0r11 wrote...
waldstr18 wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
If the Indoctrination Theory turns out to be false, I'm placing the blame squarely on waldstr18, personally.
thanks, but actually i dont want that responsibility, since, if you have read my posts, i have no idea what money is or how it works, so you cant let me make a decission about a game, which cost and sold for millions. so naturally you cant blame me for it either.
but thanks again for considering me as the one who undid all your indoctrination nonsense.
Just a question. Nothing mean or anything.
Might i kindly induce you to leave this whole thing untill the DLC comes out? If not, please explain.
Maybe it's a good idea for everyone.
[*]I've been trying to chime in on the Reaper Bieber's logic. I think whatever created the Reapers put a programming restraint on them, similar to what EDI had in ME 2. The logic he gives is his justification for the Reapers being a pawn in their makers' game. See my post on this a page backSimon_Says wrote...
First off, I never said that. Redbelle made a quotefail.paxxton wrote...
Simon_Says wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Because everything in the ending is explained throughout the game and makes sense.
Vendetta hints at the existence of starkid on Thessia.
TIM uses nanides to control Shepard and Anderson.
Starkid's logic makes sense.
But I also appreciate the Indoctrination Theory.
Nanite's? Where did they come from? How were they made? Where were they developed? Who developed them? How did they enter Anderson ?Did they go into Shepard when he was ressurrected?
More explanation pls.
Did you play the game at all? If not, go through Sanctuary and listen to every audio log and read every PDA.
Second, maybe quote which logs and PDA's are relevent? What they say exactly? I for one don't have saves that go back to that mission to check it myself.
Third: Where, when and how did TIM introduce these nanites into Shepard and Anderson's systems? Couldn't have been during project Lazarus, otherwise the Reapers could have assumed control at just about any time.
Also...I did say this. And I'd like your answer on this. Because from where I'm standing, it makes no sense in any way that doesn't involve copious stupidity or insanity on someone's part that explains why the reapers...Simon_Says wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Because everything in the ending is explained throughout the game and makes sense.
Vendetta hints at the existence of starkid on Thessia.
TIM uses nanides to control Shepard and Anderson.
Starkid's logic makes sense.
But I also appreciate the Indoctrination Theory.
What part of "synthetics killing off organics so that organics aren't killed off by synthetics" makes sense?
- Cyclically commit genocide. Causing unfathomable suffering in the process.
- Don't bother to communicate their goals or reasons.
- Ignore the risks that organics pose to other organics (see: Krogan Rebellions)
- And pass it off as some sort of god damn charity.
The nanides are airborne, as said in one log that the disposal guys had to wear heavy hazmat suits at any time in a certain area, and are present in husks and other reaperfied organics this can infect anyone near them with prolonged exposure. Anderson certainly had that on Earth, especially in London.Simon_Says wrote...
Third: Where, when and how did TIM introduce these nanites into Shepard and Anderson's systems? Couldn't have been during project Lazarus, otherwise the Reapers could have assumed control at just about any time.
TheConstantOne wrote...
[*]I've been trying to chime in on the Reaper Bieber's logic. I think whatever created the Reapers put a programming restraint on them, similar to what EDI had in ME 2. The logic he gives is his justification for the Reapers being a pawn in their makers' game. See my post on this a page backSimon_Says wrote...
First off, I never said that. Redbelle made a quotefail.paxxton wrote...
Simon_Says wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Because everything in the ending is explained throughout the game and makes sense.
Vendetta hints at the existence of starkid on Thessia.
TIM uses nanides to control Shepard and Anderson.
Starkid's logic makes sense.
But I also appreciate the Indoctrination Theory.
Nanite's? Where did they come from? How were they made? Where were they developed? Who developed them? How did they enter Anderson ?Did they go into Shepard when he was ressurrected?
More explanation pls.
Did you play the game at all? If not, go through Sanctuary and listen to every audio log and read every PDA.
Second, maybe quote which logs and PDA's are relevent? What they say exactly? I for one don't have saves that go back to that mission to check it myself.
Third: Where, when and how did TIM introduce these nanites into Shepard and Anderson's systems? Couldn't have been during project Lazarus, otherwise the Reapers could have assumed control at just about any time.
Also...I did say this. And I'd like your answer on this. Because from where I'm standing, it makes no sense in any way that doesn't involve copious stupidity or insanity on someone's part that explains why the reapers...Simon_Says wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Because everything in the ending is explained throughout the game and makes sense.
Vendetta hints at the existence of starkid on Thessia.
TIM uses nanides to control Shepard and Anderson.
Starkid's logic makes sense.
But I also appreciate the Indoctrination Theory.
What part of "synthetics killing off organics so that organics aren't killed off by synthetics" makes sense?
- Cyclically commit genocide. Causing unfathomable suffering in the process.
- Don't bother to communicate their goals or reasons.
- Ignore the risks that organics pose to other organics (see: Krogan Rebellions)
- And pass it off as some sort of god damn charity.
Fair enough, but how did they get into Shepard's system? Especially if they were wearing a sealed helmet the whole time.MegumiAzusa wrote...
The nanides are airborne, as said in one log that the disposal guys had to wear heavy hazmat suits at any time in a certain area, and are present in husks and other reaperfied organics this can infect anyone near them with prolonged exposure. Anderson certainly had that on Earth, especially in London.Simon_Says wrote...
Third: Where, when and how did TIM introduce these nanites into Shepard and Anderson's systems? Couldn't have been during project Lazarus, otherwise the Reapers could have assumed control at just about any time.
Modifié par Simon_Says, 26 avril 2012 - 10:10 .
I don't agree. It said that the pattern was maybe bigger than the Reapers themselves, which is a hint to the BRAT. And like I said will learn more about the Starbrat's Mom in the DLC EC if we follow this kind of reasoning... I can't buy it the Reapers were just toys in the hand of a superior power.MegumiAzusa wrote...
The pattern that VI talked about was bigger than the Reapers or the child. It's also very very much similar to either the Matrix, or Peter Pan/Battlestar Galactica ("All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.")Uncle Jo wrote...
No I can't agree with you. I'm aware that vendetta introduces somehow the Starbrat, but it doesn't justify his presence. It comes very late (you could object that Sovereign too in ME1) breaks the narrative coherence and makes the REAPERS (the most fearful, powerful threat the galaxy ever experienced looking like toys).paxxton wrote...
Because everything in the ending is explained throughout the game and makes sense.
Vendetta hints at the existence of starkid on Thessia.
TIM uses nanides to control Shepard and Anderson.
Starkid's logic makes sense.
But I also appreciate the Indoctrination Theory.
And for the starkid's logic, I've posted a something about a few pages ago (it's just my opinion though)
So even if the IT is not true, than BioWare should work really hard on an alternative explanation, because they're going to get the backlash of their life. What happend till now, will be in comparison a light and gentle small diagreement....
Especially Battlestar Galactica comes to mind when playing ME, because of the Organics vs Synthetics (Humans vs Cylons). The outcome was some sort of synthesis and destroy, the "good" human models went with the colonials while the "good" centurions went on their way alone. True Geth / Heretics come to mind here.
It especially resembles BSG where Leoben was interrogated by Kara and he said the players change, but the story remains the same, which is basically exactly what the VI said.
Modifié par Uncle Jo, 26 avril 2012 - 10:21 .
MegumiAzusa wrote...
The nanides are airborne, as said in one log that the disposal guys had to wear heavy hazmat suits at any time in a certain area, and are present in husks and other reaperfied organics this can infect anyone near them with prolonged exposure. Anderson certainly had that on Earth, especially in London.Simon_Says wrote...
Third: Where, when and how did TIM introduce these nanites into Shepard and Anderson's systems? Couldn't have been during project Lazarus, otherwise the Reapers could have assumed control at just about any time.
Simon_Says wrote...
Fair enough, but how did they get into Shepard's system? Especially if they were wearing a sealed helmet the whole time.MegumiAzusa wrote...
The nanides are airborne, as said in one log that the disposal guys had to wear heavy hazmat suits at any time in a certain area, and are present in husks and other reaperfied organics this can infect anyone near them with prolonged exposure. Anderson certainly had that on Earth, especially in London.Simon_Says wrote...
Third: Where, when and how did TIM introduce these nanites into Shepard and Anderson's systems? Couldn't have been during project Lazarus, otherwise the Reapers could have assumed control at just about any time.
:wizard::wizard:
This might be one of the lowest, most pathetically petty things I've seen in a while.waldstr18 wrote...
...i just promised you that im going to "in you face" all of you, once the truth is out. but until then, im your best new forum friend, telling you about my life and my upcoming doctors appointments ...
Simon_Says wrote...
What part of "synthetics killing off organics so that organics aren't killed off by synthetics" makes sense?
Modifié par paxxton, 26 avril 2012 - 10:10 .
Dwailing wrote...
Simon_Says wrote...
Fair enough, but how did they get into Shepard's system? Especially if they were wearing a sealed helmet the whole time.MegumiAzusa wrote...
The nanides are airborne, as said in one log that the disposal guys had to wear heavy hazmat suits at any time in a certain area, and are present in husks and other reaperfied organics this can infect anyone near them with prolonged exposure. Anderson certainly had that on Earth, especially in London.Simon_Says wrote...
Third: Where, when and how did TIM introduce these nanites into Shepard and Anderson's systems? Couldn't have been during project Lazarus, otherwise the Reapers could have assumed control at just about any time.
OOH, OOH, I know this one! SPACE MAGIC!!!!
Dwailing wrote...
Simon_Says wrote...
Fair enough, but how did they get into Shepard's system? Especially if they were wearing a sealed helmet the whole time.MegumiAzusa wrote...
The nanides are airborne, as said in one log that the disposal guys had to wear heavy hazmat suits at any time in a certain area, and are present in husks and other reaperfied organics this can infect anyone near them with prolonged exposure. Anderson certainly had that on Earth, especially in London.Simon_Says wrote...
Third: Where, when and how did TIM introduce these nanites into Shepard and Anderson's systems? Couldn't have been during project Lazarus, otherwise the Reapers could have assumed control at just about any time.
OOH, OOH, I know this one! SPACE MAGIC!!!!
Modifié par Pascal219, 26 avril 2012 - 10:14 .
paxxton wrote...
Simon_Says wrote...
What part of "synthetics killing off organics so that organics aren't killed off by synthetics" makes sense?
They do not kill all organics so there is no paradox.
Shep did say s/he heared the casing crack his/her helmet even if s/he couldn't find it ^^Simon_Says wrote...
Fair enough, but how did they get into Shepard's system? Especially if they were wearing a sealed helmet the whole time.MegumiAzusa wrote...
The nanides are airborne, as said in one log that the disposal guys had to wear heavy hazmat suits at any time in a certain area, and are present in husks and other reaperfied organics this can infect anyone near them with prolonged exposure. Anderson certainly had that on Earth, especially in London.Simon_Says wrote...
Third: Where, when and how did TIM introduce these nanites into Shepard and Anderson's systems? Couldn't have been during project Lazarus, otherwise the Reapers could have assumed control at just about any time.
I'm not really arguing that Shepard wasn't being indoctrinated. I'm saying that it's probably by subliminal methods mentioned in the codex. I had a draft of a small essay where I discussed this subject. I'll find it, clean it up and present it here for you guys to analyze.
Actually, there is a paradox, because what I said did not imply that the reapers killed everything off. And the excuse that they leave less advanced species alone is BS. What about huskified harvesters? Or the Krogan, who are only capable of space travel due to outside intervention?paxxton wrote...
Simon_Says wrote...
What part of "synthetics killing off organics so that organics aren't killed off by synthetics" makes sense?
They do not kill all organics so there is no paradox.
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