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[balance5050]

Lexor... save us...

[Dwailing]

waldstr18 wrote...

thats very nice of you, thanks.

oh, disingenuous! i never punched her, like i said. but if thats proof for you that i havent played 2.. ok.

Well, it isn't listed under your profile picture....   TBH, I just think that everyone should punch her just once, even if you never do it again or go back to a save you made before hand so it doesn't matter.

[HellishFiend]

In the interest of objectivity, I'd like to point out that there is no safe reason to assume that waldstr18 should be aware of the "disingenuous assertions" punch from ME2 (especially considering that he earlier stated he has an aversion to renegade), and it has no bearing on his credibility.

[lex0r11]

lex0r11 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

If the Indoctrination Theory turns out to be false, I'm placing the blame squarely on waldstr18, personally.

thanks, but actually i dont want that responsibility, since, if you have read my posts, i have no idea what money is or how it works, so you cant let me make a decission about a game, which cost and sold for millions. so naturally you cant blame me for it either.

but thanks again for considering me as the one who undid all your indoctrination nonsense.

Just a question. Nothing mean or anything.
Might i kindly induce you to leave this whole thing untill the DLC comes out? If not, please explain.

Maybe it's a good idea for everyone.

Retry.

[Dwailing]

balance5050 wrote...

Lexor... save us...

Need... (cough) Liara... (cough) motivational... ugh... (passes out from lack of love and friendship on the thread)

[ExtendedCut]

TheConstantOne wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Synthesis is (bad) hidden form of totalitarianism... It might sound nice and all but it's a trap...  Making people/species evolve in the way YOU want with no other alternative... About control, I know Shep can do many things, but is a mere human, so control the Reapers ? The Starchild ? No way in hell...
I'm not really the IT person, but I can't take the face-value ending as plausible...
Same here. I enjoy reading this thread and eventually conversations with nice people

I have a question about what you touched on here with Control.  I apologize if this has been mentioned - actually, I'm sure it probably has.

Anyway, the question:  What exactly does Control mean in terms of the "Controller"?  Is Shepard the Controller?  If so, what happens when he gets old and dies?  Considering that he DOES die, then is humanity the Controller of the Reapers?  Or are all the races supposed to find some politically-governed way of controlling the Reapers?

Is there ANY kind of explanation that I haven't heard about what really happens in Control?

Am I clueless or is this another one of those very-poorly-explained (one out of many) parts of the ending?

Reaper Bieiber says you "you will control us but you will lose everything you are." I took this to mean that Sheaprd's mind and being are essentially scanned but the Crucible and turned into an AI.  The Shepard AI is then transmitted by the Crucible to all of the Reapers via a command signal.

That's just MY interpretation.  I think it makes sense but it was never clearly explained in-game.  Much like synthesis, you just have to extrapolate something plausible if you're someone like me and doesn't believe IT is the way to go

I agree that your explanation is plausible - but I just don't buy it, considering how in-depth the stories of the Mass Effect Universe are.  The Geth's story has been fully explained.  The Quarian's story has been fully explained.  The Rachni, the Krogan, the Turians, etc. etc.

After all this Tolkien-esque development of the Mass Effect Universe, why, at the very end would the writers resort to such a weak, UNdeveloped "plan" for what happens to the entire population of the universe?

[waldstr18]

Dwailing wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

thats very nice of you, thanks.

oh, disingenuous! i never punched her, like i said. but if thats proof for you that i havent played 2.. ok.

Well, it isn't listed under your profile picture....   TBH, I just think that everyone should punch her just once, even if you never do it again or go back to a save you made before hand so it doesn't matter.

"everyone should punch her" i dont feel right reading this. one shouldnt punch girls.

[Dwailing]

HellishFiend wrote...

In the interest of objectivity, I'd like to point out that there is no safe reason to assume that waldstr18 should be aware of the "disingenuous assertions" punch from ME2 (especially considering that he earlier stated he has an aversion to renegade), and it has no bearing on his credibility.

Yes I know that.  I just think that it is something everyone should try just once, even if you're a Paragon.

P.S. He's a Paragon?  Really?  I would never have guessed. <_<

[balance5050]

Whether you understand the logic or not... "their" logic is wrong by "our" standards. Don't forget who the enemy is!

[Dwailing]

waldstr18 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

thats very nice of you, thanks.

oh, disingenuous! i never punched her, like i said. but if thats proof for you that i havent played 2.. ok.

Well, it isn't listed under your profile picture....   TBH, I just think that everyone should punch her just once, even if you never do it again or go back to a save you made before hand so it doesn't matter.

"everyone should punch her" i dont feel right reading this. one shouldnt punch girls.

Wow, taking it way too seriously dude.  I don't just walk up to random people in real life and punch them, if that's what you're wondering.  I just think that it is worth it considering what a complete and total jerk she is to Shepard pretty much ALWAYS.

[Dwailing]

lex0r11 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

If the Indoctrination Theory turns out to be false, I'm placing the blame squarely on waldstr18, personally.

thanks, but actually i dont want that responsibility, since, if you have read my posts, i have no idea what money is or how it works, so you cant let me make a decission about a game, which cost and sold for millions. so naturally you cant blame me for it either.

but thanks again for considering me as the one who undid all your indoctrination nonsense.

Just a question. Nothing mean or anything.
Might i kindly induce you to leave this whole thing untill the DLC comes out? If not, please explain.

Maybe it's a good idea for everyone.

Retry.

Just quoting lex0r11 to get his attention.  I think a blue baby motivational is in order.

[waldstr18]

Dwailing wrote...

Wow, taking it way too seriously dude.  I don't just walk up to random people in real life and punch them, if that's what you're wondering.  I just think that it is worth it considering what a complete and total jerk she is to Shepard pretty much ALWAYS.

wow! i think i understand you guys now! i never felt like punching her (superman rules or not) cause i never thought of her as annoying. never. no wonder you are all so annoyed by me, we just have a different picture what annoyance is.

[HellishFiend]

SS2Dante wrote...

Mathematical logic? Logical equivalances, tautologies, implication, stuff like that? (good old de morgan ) Mathematically we're set, yes, but you can't break down a sufficiently complex real world situation like this into the correct model to really reflect it accurately, was all I meant. In doing so you will inevitably make a mistake based on a value judgement you don't know you're making. The actual logic will be sound, but the initial conditions will be wrong.

Value judgement has no place in logic. The only exception is if you are drawing assumptions rather than conclusions. Drawing assumptions is only loosely based on logic and shouldnt be confused for actual logic. 

Logic:
Steven is not color Blind
The sky is blue
Therefore, Steven sees a blue sky

Assumption:
Steven enjoys tennis
There is a big tennis game this weekend
Therefore, Steven would like to receive tickets to the big tennis game this weekend for his birthday


Logic:
The reapers harvest advanced organic civilizations
Humans are an advanced organic civilization, by definition
Therefore, the reapers will harvest Humanity

Assumption:
The created will always rebel against their creators
Organics will always develop Synthetics
Therefore, Synthetics will eventually wipe out all organics

[ExtendedCut]

balance5050 wrote...

Lexor... save us...

Yeah.  Where's Blue Baby when you need her?

Edit: Oops.  Dwailing got this in before me...

Modifié par ExtendedCut, 26 avril 2012 - 11:54 .

[lex0r11]

Please answer my question, Wald.

[waldstr18]

lex0r11 wrote...

Please answer my question, Wald.

repeat question and i gladly will.

[Dwailing]

waldstr18 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Wow, taking it way too seriously dude.  I don't just walk up to random people in real life and punch them, if that's what you're wondering.  I just think that it is worth it considering what a complete and total jerk she is to Shepard pretty much ALWAYS.

wow! i think i understand you guys now! i never felt like punching her (superman rules or not) cause i never thought of her as annoying. never. no wonder you are all so annoyed by me, we just have a different picture what annoyance is.

And so the light has dawned.  It would appear my work here is done.  I'd like a round of applause from all the IT supporters now please, I think I've earned it with this. 

[balance5050]

waldstr18 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Wow, taking it way too seriously dude.  I don't just walk up to random people in real life and punch them, if that's what you're wondering.  I just think that it is worth it considering what a complete and total jerk she is to Shepard pretty much ALWAYS.

wow! i think i understand you guys now! i never felt like punching her (superman rules or not) cause i never thought of her as annoying. never. no wonder you are all so annoyed by me, we just have a different picture what annoyance is.

You treat her differently cause she is a girl? In the 22nd century women are viewed as equals. 

[Sero303]

balance5050 wrote...

Whether you understand the logic or not... "their" logic is wrong by "our" standards. Don't forget who the enemy is!

Kill them with fire! fire makes everything clean again!

[lex0r11]

waldstr18 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Please answer my question, Wald.

repeat question and i gladly will.

lex0r11 wrote...

Just a question. Nothing mean or anything.
Might i kindly induce you to leave this whole thing untill the DLC comes out? If not, please explain.

Maybe it's a good idea for everyone.

Just curious, but you seem to ignore half of my questions directed at you. This one has been posted more than once the last few pages.

Modifié par lex0r11, 26 avril 2012 - 11:59 .

[Dwailing]

Sero303 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Whether you understand the logic or not... "their" logic is wrong by "our" standards. Don't forget who the enemy is!

Kill them with fire! fire makes everything clean again!

(Pulls out flamethrower)  (Zaeed voice)  How do you want your ribs?

Edit: Actually, this might go better with Grunt's voice.  What do you all think?

Modifié par Dwailing, 27 avril 2012 - 12:01 .

[waldstr18]

still you are not supposed to punch them. also dont kid yourself, women are far from equal. at least not in germany. which isnt always a bad things, the girls can handle themselves im sure, but punching them?

also, like i said, i didnt find her annoying at all. you guys are just way too touchy. lighten up. enjoy your life. dont get mad at every little thing. and dont punch girls!

[balance5050]

 Hey guys. EDI's voice actor goes into the studio next week.
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Modifié par balance5050, 27 avril 2012 - 12:00 .

[Dwailing]

waldstr18 wrote...

still you are not supposed to punch them. also dont kid yourself, women are far from equal. at least not in germany. which isnt always a bad things, the girls can handle themselves im sure, but punching them?

also, like i said, i didnt find her annoying at all. you guys are just way too touchy. lighten up. enjoy your life. dont get mad at every little thing. and dont punch girls!

Weird, this reminds me of a line in the Beethoven vs. Bieber Epic Rap Battle of History.  Here's the link, if anyone's interested.
 

[balance5050]

waldstr18 wrote...

still you are not supposed to punch them. also dont kid yourself, women are far from equal. at least not in germany. which isnt always a bad things, the girls can handle themselves im sure, but punching them?

also, like i said, i didnt find her annoying at all. you guys are just way too touchy. lighten up. enjoy your life. dont get mad at every little thing. and dont punch girls!

I think I understand why you're so lonely now....