HellishFiend wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
Mathematical logic? Logical equivalances, tautologies, implication, stuff like that? (good old de morgan
) Mathematically we're set, yes, but you can't break down a sufficiently complex real world situation like this into the correct model to really reflect it accurately, was all I meant. In doing so you will inevitably make a mistake based on a value judgement you don't know you're making. The actual logic will be sound, but the initial conditions will be wrong.
Value judgement has no place in logic. The only exception is if you are drawing assumptions rather than conclusions. Drawing assumptions is only loosely based on logic and shouldnt be confused for actual logic.
Logic:
Steven is not color Blind
The sky is blue
Therefore, Steven sees a blue sky
Assumption:
Steven enjoys tennis
There is a big tennis game this weekend
Therefore, Steven would like to receive tickets to the big tennis game this weekend for his birthday
Logic:
The reapers harvest advanced organic civilizations
Humans are an advanced organic civilization, by definition
Therefore, the reapers will harvest Humanity
Assumption:
The created will always rebel against their creators
(assumption based on historical precedent)
Organics will always develop Synthetics
(a near statistical certainty)
Therefore, Synthetics will eventually wipe out all organics
(assumption/unverifiable conclusion. not sufficiently supported by premises. additional contributing factors not present in the logical process)
And here, I thought of an even better one. Sorry if it's a bit explicit but I think it drives the point home far better.
Assumption:
The created will always rebel against their creators
(assumption based on historical precedent)
Organics will always develop Synthetics (a near statistical certainty)
Therefore, Synthetics will eventually wipe out all organics
(assumption/unverifiable conclusion. not sufficiently supported by premises. additional contributing factors not present in the logical process)
Assumption:
Human Boys will always have sex with Human Girls to produce Human offspring
(assumption based on historical precedent)
Humanity will always consist of both Boys and Girls
(a near statistical certainty)
Therefore, Humanity will always exist and will never die out or otherwise go extinct (assumption/unverifiable conclusion. not sufficiently supported by premises. additional contributing factors not present in the logical process)
Do you see how the logic falls apart there? There are too many variables for either of those to be a logical conclusion. A logical assumption? Sure, in both cases, if you ALSO assume that the premises are true (note that the premises are NOT facts, they are other assumptions and statistical probabilities!), and that the other contributing factors that are absent from the logical process are conducive towards your conclusion.
As this applies to starbrats fail logic, his assumption relies on too many other assumptions (and even relying on ONE assumption invalidates his logic), such as the supposed malicious synthetics even being interested in wiping out any further organics aside from their creators in the first place. There are too many variables and unverifiable assumptions for it to be sound logic. Sound assumption? Debatable. Sound logic. NO.
Modifié par HellishFiend, 27 avril 2012 - 12:22 .